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....isn't that basically the same as hereditary?
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Nono, see, Hierarchy is representative of the breadth and complexity of our governmental bureacracy. I think it started when we got Advisors in the different fields?
Anyway, the point is: getting that stuff isn't how you avoid getting additional Hierarchy, because that stuff is what additional Hierarchy REPRESENTS. What would this lead to? Say it with me know: Byzantine Bureacracy.
A system so large and complex that nobody really knows what's going on in it, and is therefore EXCEPTIONALLY vulnerable to abuse and corruption, simply because nobody expects to be caught.
3053 Sorry, couldn't resist. Back to hiding.
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Here
HAVE THIS UBER-HUGGER 9000!
Guaranteed to give you comfort and the best hugs for ever and ever when the thread gets you down!
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as BungieONI said. It's also in the emoticon menu as well. Please avoid posting Picard Facepalm pixs when we have perfectly usable emoticons.
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......why in the FUCK did I not notice the emoticon menu had a scrollbar?!
You're not any more bitter than the rest of us. The only part I was making fun of was how you're by far this thread's most prolific poster, almost 7% of all the posts. The inverse of that would be posting once or twice, so I decided to make your nega-verse alternative one of those "Hi, like this but not participating" guys that pop up every once in a while.
You can say :facepalm: by wrapping it in [ plain ] [ /plain ] tags. (no spaces.)
Its not. The weather rolls normally happen anyway, but we can't take advantage because our people don't know if the weather is going to hold up for a few years or suddenly take a turn for the worst, so people keep the babies at normal pace instead of cranking them out as fast as they can.
We've seen the STs use it before, by predicting the weather in advance they can take advantage of weather patterns to fuck with people, stockpile food, or go into a growth phase.
It might explain why they thought trying to diplomaticize the Thunder Horse after the last time they lied to them was a good idea
Not nearly so simple. Our land improvement projects take decades to work. How do you determine rewards for tending a forest or building step farms when it takes 5-10 years of no-production just to establish the foundations?
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You need the basic Restore Order vote as well. Restore Order x2 doesn't count without the Restore Order as well
Yep. Yellow is a good place to be at when we have decent Stability, since we can afford to take the hits to try to innovate.
Or we can do like the STs did, just avoid taking the stability hits and let the problems compound down the path of least resistance.
Stability gains go down the path of human nature. Stability losses go against.
Bad idea, especially with our refugee influxes and megaprojects.
You often need to shuffle more experienced and skilled workers off their normal duties to deal with more difficult land.
Which is to say our Last Hit Swap chiefs? They're doing the optimal thing where land management is concerned. Have experienced crews break up the soil, set up the foundational plantings and terraces, then move them to the next problem site, while less skilled crews can tend the now easy to work land.
What's fucked up is that they cheated the reward system, so the experienced crews AREN'T getting rewarded.
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Thank you!
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.......that costs 6 econ, which is DOUBLE what we have available. I'm hoping that's simply a joke vote, but if it is vould you please replace the x's with JK?
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Not entirely, because it can be freely redistributed after the children are grown up. Hereditary is like "so long as children exist, one of them will be forced to work this land until they're all dead."
Edit: noticed that this sounded like child labor...
"So long as a member of this family exists, they will be obliged to tend to this land regardless of how suited for the task they actually are."
*nods* I'm like that on almost all threads except the Bardic Advisor one, but even w/ that I kinda dropped out for a bit.
Alternately, one in which corruption doesn't exist because there's people whose sole job is to hunt down corruption and they're disinclined to become corrupt because they're automatically the ones who will be blamed for any evidence of unchecked corruption.
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So, I don't see this being put forward. I'm not sure if it will change people's opinions, but I honestly want to have this discussion in general to remind people, we need to find a way to deal with this shit.
This event is quite clearly hitting some parts of protective justice. People are breaking the law and we need to fix that shit by serving justice. Restoration of Order is directly dealing with this, even more definitively making this a protective justice action.
If The Greater Good actually procs on this action, that will mean a single action should trigger two of our social traits, which should combine them into a single trait.
A trait created by Restore Order, which is very likely to give us a better version of Restore Order as a result.
I will grant this chance is 'tiny', but it is there, and we can actually make it possible to happen while not screwing our civilization over. The reward, meanwhile, would likely be seeing something akin to Restoration of Harmony not only being back, but much more solidly within our societal standards.
This event is quite clearly hitting some parts of protective justice. People are breaking the law and we need to fix that shit by serving justice. Restoration of Order is directly dealing with this, even more definitively making this a protective justice action.
If The Greater Good actually procs on this action, that will mean a single action should trigger two of our social traits, which should combine them into a single trait.
A trait created by Restore Order, which is very likely to give us a better version of Restore Order as a result.
I will grant this chance is 'tiny', but it is there, and we can actually make it possible to happen while not screwing our civilization over. The reward, meanwhile, would likely be seeing something akin to Restoration of Harmony not only being back, but much more solidly within our societal standards.
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm......
Let's be calm about this discussion. I want to talk about it too.
Gimmie a moment to think?
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@Academia Nut Can the initial decrease inherent in Restore Order trigger The Greater Good's anti-stability-drop function?
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I think most of us are just waiting for the midturn update so we can see the actual options we can take.
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So we if we want a family to be relocated... the receiving family will have to pay a full year of harvest (or equivalent) to the relocated family? the price would be based on whom much the relocated family has produced in a year. So even if a local chief moves the hard-workers, the price of relocating a hard-worker will be exorbitant...and this only can be done after a generation?
What do you think?
No, I mean if we take Restoration of Order and it procs The Greater Good, I'm saying we're very likely to get an upgraded combination trait of Protective Justice and The Greater Good that gives us a better version of Restore Order.
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I think a straight hereditary system would be less complicated and work better than your "solution"
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this is pure speculation. We need something more solid than speculation for this.
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Yeah, make everything hereditary them, the high-chief, the land, the mines, the boats, the mega-projects, turn everyone in slaves and make a noble caste.
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Ok I agree this is a possibility. But like you say it is a tiny one. Unless you meant that Restore Order proccing TGG was a tiny chance? Either way I'm wondering If we want to feed TGG into a trait or feed a trait into TGG.
Hmm.