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Gadjo said:
[X] Godwinson


This seems kinda pointless. Walpurgisnacht doesn't really require more than what we already have access to. If infinite Tiro Finales and railgun shots and whatever other grief shenanigans aren't enough to grind it into a fine, grief-y paste, then the dissoluzione bianca will be. Feathers is the actual threat, and we have no idea what that'll require or what it'll even be capable of.
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Note that the Godwinson vote contains that exact line.
 
AuraTwilight said:
We're not fucking selling Clear Seeds. We don't NEED to, we can literally kill any witch we want in seconds, and Sabrina's already established as not wanting to hold grief-cleansing or Clear Seeds as exchange or collateral.
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I'd like to note that this isn't the only reason for selling things. medicine doesn't cost money as a collateral, or really even for production costs; it costs money so the company can research more drugs. Since there are more Meguca than clear seeds (currently), we'd be helping the same amount of people with a price tag included, and saving time from gaining money which means we can spend time on grief seeds.
At this point, this doesn't really come up, as we have no way to tap the entire seeds market at once and we haven't actually developed a need for money, but I'm not sure why there's the inherent opposition to the idea.
Kaizuki said:
-_-

And then you're accused of lying. Because it's not free, it's "questions asked."
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What are you talking about, Kai? Free means you don't pay. If I'm giving cupcakes out on my birthday they don't suddenly stop being free because I don't give one to this random person. The same kind of thing applies all over, from "one-per-person" free samples to "free games if you watch adds" to "free breakfast at hotels."
 
QTesseract said:
What are you talking about, Kai? Free means you don't pay. If I'm giving cupcakes out on my birthday they don't suddenly stop being free because I don't give one to this random person. The same kind of thing applies all over, from "one-per-person" free samples to "free games if you watch adds" to "free breakfast at hotels."
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I believe this was being a stickler about 'conditionally "free" vs. 'unconditionally free' (though our conditions are basically 'don't gossip' and 'don't be literally a terrorist').

Personally, my only misgivings about the seeds (as I mentioned previously) are our inability to recall them if some sort of incident arises (like the part where we discovered by accident they dump grief into normal seeds) or we replace them, and our inability to enforce any of the conditions we put upon them.
 
If we're setting up a society, we'll need some sort of economy.

We can go full communist, but remember the risks with that. I don't think one infinite source quite constitutes the level of post-scarcity required...
 
To address "concerns" that have been raised:


[X] In no particular order:
-[X] Hey, does she have a cell number, or an email address you can reach her at? Heck, does she know about any magical girl forums, chats, or the like that she can tell you about?
-[X] Ask her about magical girl current events. Anything interesting? Anything potentially dangerous looming?
-[X] Ask her about the general state of the magical girl world.
-[X] Ask her about other groups doing things like what Sendai was doing, with grief seed extortion.
-[X] Ask about the oldest magical girl she's heard of, and how old is she.
-[X] Ask about magical girls whose magic allows them to manipulate the soul. You have a source who indicated one would be coming here soon, and you want to know more about them, if possible.
-[X] Ask about magical girl groups that are particularly large, powerful, influential, or nasty. You know you're going to cause some waves with your offer of cleansing and clear seeds, so you want to know about groups that might cause issues.
-[X] Ask if she made all the enchanted items on her, or if she purchased them, and if the latter, how does she keep them charged.
-[X] Ask her if she knows of any magical girls who she thinks could work with us, and have any of the following powers:
--[X] Long-range teleportation or portals.
--[X] Any sort of danger sense that can be used to find threats to other people before the occur.
--[X] The ability to enhance or amplify the magic of others.
--[X] The ability to protect the minds of others from being tampered with.
--[X] High-end healing abilities.
--[X] A much greater natural aptitude for enchanting than normal.
-[X] Ask if she knows any magical girls who might be willing to travel to Mitakihara to fight a city-destroying witch.
-[X] Ask if she knows anything about the magical girls in Asunaro.
-[X] Ask if she knows anything else that might be useful to know for a girl who wants to help people.
 
Godwinson said:
To address "concerns" that have been raised:
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Yeah, this entire debate can be easily resolved just by throwing away that second half entirely. Firn asked us what questions we wanted to ask, and let's just give him that. If we need to say anything else, we can see what Bennouna is thinking when we're done and apply whatever impetus is necessary. Autopilot flies quests into the ground.

[x] Godwinson
 
Godwinson said:
-[X] Ask about magical girls whose magic allows them to manipulate the soul. You have a source who indicated one would be coming here soon, and you want to know more about them, if possible.
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"How did you know I just asked [SOULGUCA] to come here?"

Because, you know, precog is as precog does; we don't know the cause of Soulguca's visit and why couldn't it be Nadia?

:p

Godwinson said:
--[X] A much greater natural aptitude for enchanting than normal.
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*Points at Mami*
 
TheEyes said:
Still, ultra high purity silicon is ridiculously valuable, expensive to produce, and will make us a boatload of cash if we can supply it in quantity, or even in small lab-scale amounts.
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And silicon is a very common element, so it would pay back on the investment on par with the carbon → diamond thing.

Kaizuki said:
No, but Nadia doesn't, and if Nadia knows the witchbomb, she'll likely react to the idea of grief seeds taking grief from clear seeds the same way that we did: "HOLY SHIT SOL GEM???"

Mami doesn't have the witchbomb to make the connection with.
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We can warn Nadia about keeping Clear Seeds away from Grief Seeds when we make one for her. We can even discuss it with her in her native language if you're that concerned what she might blurt out.

Kaizuki said:
This should still be a question, we're not sure if she wants one or not, though, well, probably does
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Will she want one? Of course she'll want one. Hell, I'm wondering if she might cry when she gets it. After years of starving and scraping and striving for every Seed she can get to survive, she'll never have to worry or want again.

Karnewarrior said:
But more seriously, we're going to have to assume a low-budget economy until we have girls that are old enough to become entrepreneurs. Which means about 4 years for the money to start coming in.
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That's why I said that we should have multiple fake IDs and at least one should say that we're a legal adult, so we can own property and start businesses.

Vebyast said:
Basically, those silicon wafers, while expensive and valuable, are bought and sold through channels that we're basically incapable of breaking into. Commodity markets and exchanges, futures, lots of negotiation and contracts. People aren't going to buy from us at all without being able to, for example, visit our factory and get a sales pitch.
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We could use a girl with memory or mind control powers...

*waves hand* "You don't need to see my facilities. These are the silicon wafers you're looking for."

...or we could have Hiroko create an illusion of a functional manufacturing facility in Warehouse-kun.
 
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@Godwinson Would you consider adding a question about proper etiquette for meetings between Magi (and groups of Magi)? We're about to visit numerous foreign and/or unallied Magi on their own turf, and knowing what kinds of actions are generally considered disrespectful/unwise/considered acts of war would be a big help.

[X] Godwinson
 
A character from Suzune Magica whose death set the clusterfuck that is the plot of that manga in motion. Also the only meguca that we know of who's survived into adulthood.
 
So saving her from dying is like saving Michiru Kazusa from witching?
 
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Karnewarrior said:
If we're setting up a society, we'll need some sort of economy.

We can go full communist, but remember the risks with that. I don't think one infinite source quite constitutes the level of post-scarcity required...
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I don't think an economy is something that's on us to create. It may be on us to police the economy, depending on our choices and policies as players, and on the issues that crop up (magical financial crime?), but people will be trading goods and services with or without our helpful input.

The marginal utility of Clear Seeds diminishes dramatically beyond the first unit owned; there's no special incentive for Magical Girls to hoard them (beyond either extreme paranoia or simply being an asshole). As Clear Seeds are sufficiently distributed , and Magical Girls are able to escape the poverty/death trap of Grief Seed dependence, they'll simply be able to integrate into and piggyback off of the muggle economies (using mundane currencies, banks, etc) the same way that normal girls and women would be able to do.

Longer-term goals might involve finding ways for Magical Girls to make money with magic (break the masquerade peacefully enough, and this can happen spontaneously) rather than from mundane work, and rehabilitating Magical Girls who can't re-integrate after self-segregating or being segregated into the fringes of society. But that's not so much part of creating an economy, as much as it is creating institutions within the economy.
 
Subrosian_Smithy said:
I don't think an economy is something that's on us to create. It may be on us to police the economy, depending on our choices and policies as players, and on the issues that crop up (magical financial crime?), but people will be trading goods and services with or without our helpful input.

The marginal utility of Clear Seeds diminishes dramatically beyond the first unit owned; there's no special incentive for Magical Girls to hoard them (beyond either extreme paranoia or simply being an asshole). As Clear Seeds are sufficiently distributed , and Magical Girls are able to escape the poverty/death trap of Grief Seed dependence, they'll simply be able to integrate into and piggyback off of the muggle economies (using mundane currencies, banks, etc) the same way that normal girls and women would be able to do.

Longer-term goals might involve finding ways for Magical Girls to make money with magic (break the masquerade peacefully enough, and this can happen spontaneously) rather than from mundane work, and rehabilitating Magical Girls who can't re-integrate after self-segregating or being segregated into the fringes of society. But that's not so much part of creating an economy, as much as it is creating institutions within the economy.
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We'll probably need a internal economy, is what I'm saying. Some way of rewarding Meguca who go out and do well at their job within the Meguca community, whether that be hunting witches for Clear Seed production, enchanting items for others, magical transportation & Tourism, Magical Law Enforcement duties, diplomatic setting and maintenance with the other Meguca "nations" that will be set up once Clear Seeds spread out of our control, Muggle Disaster Relief, Spiritual Services, Psychological Counselling, Potential Identification & Appraisement, Incubator Relations...

Muggles aren't going to be paying the girls anything for doing all this. Which means we'll have at least a subsection of the economy directly under our power.
 
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