No reason to suspect that Grandma and/or Yammar know IT, but it is so USEFUL, I'll be surprised if they don't. I think they're just doing the 'grumpy old Saiyan' thing and living away from society, participating as little as practical. Either that or, like Head Raditz, they don't like the maths involved.
I think the scout would be offended if he discovered the child was considering asking her little brother to come in and handle things.rofl:
Ok, points about kaio-ken made. It is a potential information leak, it doesn't need to be shouted (at least by someone who is a master of it, as Goku was), so I'll do what I said I would and listen to people.
I present
[X] Plan Not Again v2
-[X] Communicate with Cabba and Dad about this plan
--[X] Cabba will power up to 800,000 while screaming "Power Growth x 10!!!"
--[X] Cabba will subdue the alien using raw telekinesis to hold him in place
---[X] If Cabba does not feel secure in his ability to do so, he may instead knock the alien out quickly in whatever manner he chooses
--[X] Once the alien is unconscious or removed from the field, Cabba will drop his power level to no more than 20,000 and play up the exhaustion and strain he feels.
--[X] Once Dad arrives, defer to his directions
---[X] Recommend (using telepathy) he KO the scout (if this hasn't already happened) and get him to the Training Hall's cells before quickly returning.
---[X] Suggest we all clear the area quickly (Dad and us using IT to get Maya and Cabba out if needed).
-[X] Call Maya back to us while Cabba powers up, pulling her away from the alien if needed.
-[X] If at any point it looks like inaction on our point will leave Maya in danger, power up to full and hold EVERYONE with Telekinesis.
--[X] Dad can explain it to Maya as a 'Seer' thing or a limit break or whatever if he wants.
I'd initially figured on Kaio-Ken being screamed since it was something that could be verified to Maya by an independent source (without us having to coach that source) plus it being something Cabba wouldn't feel ridiculous screaming (since it's a real technique, albeit one he may not know) which might have made his Deceit check (if any) simpler.
That said, a tiny bit of extra infosec isn't a bad thing, and it doesn't change the plan too much.
@SimonJester - I maintain that having an essentially disposable person (in that Maya will not have to interact with him again) display the 'amazing' power level of 800,000 is better than having us display it. Us having to display it might increase the number of deception checks we have to make, and even with 2nd order lies keeping the true secret safe, no one likes being lied to. I feel it would hurt our relationship with Maya more to do it that way.
@NegativeJ @Ridiculously Average Guy - does this version work for you?
@anailater - if you like this version, can you update your vote?
The fewer people there are around to blow the lid off of a secret...
Mato is just too weak. He wants to be special, but the boy is lazy. Also he's been locking himself in his room and refusing to come out all year, so he's actually gotten weaker.
Could you expand on this? It sounds like an objection to @KaintukeeBob 's plan and all variants on it (such as mine and Negative J's)
He could just scream something inarticulate like 'RRARAAAAAAAGGGH!" It's not like Maya has any reason to assume that just screaming and randomly hulking out is impossible, and for that matter it's... kind of not impossible.
Hm. That's... a fair point, I suppose. I'm... aaaalmost convinced enough to switch back to your plan. I'll probably get there later but I'm not sure, so I won't fastforward to "switch back" just yet.
Well, that's reassuring?Hm.
I like your silly version, but it we expect Cabba to go through with it there could be a problem. Like him deciding it's stupid and just yelling "Kaio Ken times ten!" instead, thus triggering the infohazard problem. Persuading adults to go along with a child's sense of theatrics in the middle of a life-threatening emergency sounds like the kind of thing that would impose a major penalty to your "talk people into doing stuff" checks.
Just to be clear, are you talking about telling Cabba "Quick, pretend to use Kaio-Ken, and power up to 800,000!" Or are you talking about telling Cabba "Quick, pretend to use Kaio-Ken without actually yelling "KAIO KEN," and power up to 800,000!" ?"
Welp, sounds like he made his bed, now he gets to lie in it.
Might be best to amend the plan accordingly, then.
That's a fair point. And having Cabba do the 'hulk out' part of the plan DOES leave us free to grab Maya. You've just settled my one remaining concern with KaintukeeBob's plan. Thanks!
As others have noted, raw muscle isn't the problem. Even in its transformed, boosted form, Cabba outguns the alien scout by well over an order of magnitude; we outgun it by well over three orders of magnitude. The problem is retaining information security. If we start randomly pulling people in from across the planet, who may or may not have been briefed on what Lord Berra is doing, Lord Berra's plan is almost certain to fail, and the negative consequences of that are much worse than the consequences we might otherwise suffer from having to deal with this alone.
The catch is that Maya is pivotal to part of Berra's plan to partially drop the Masquerade. She's the first human ki user on Garenhuld, as far as they can tell, a superhero of some kind. If she can practice her powers in public, it gives the rest of the saiyans cover to 'out' themselves as superbeings, if not superbeings on the level of their true powers.
Well, it's indirectly due to Kakara, but it's also objectively terrible parenting on Berra and Kala's part, in addition to being inept kingship on Berra's part. Sure, Kakara is one of the
Uh right. I should be taking that bit about 'relays through metaphor and hypotheticals' with a grain of salt the size of the combined pudding consumption of the exile community, shouldn't I?
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That is, more or less, Plan Not Again v2.
