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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Looking back at the list of fallen/lost waystone nexuses, a few caught my eye:

Nerdasaurus Rex said:
Marcher Fortress
Location: Talabecland/The Realm of Chaos
Status: Under the direct control of Slaanesh
Notes: Can be returned to reality via the same method used to rescue Vlag. Will be populated by an entire army of demons when it does return.
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This seems almost like a low-hanging fruit, potentially. While the army of demons is a huge concern, they would still suffer the problem of decaying in reality due to a lack of Winds to sustain them. With potentially multiple armies ready and waiting, this represents a major threat to the Empire that it needs to deal with and an opportunity to reclaim a waystone nexus all in one.

Nerdasaurus Rex said:
Barak Varr
Location: Barak Varr
Status: Never deployed, currently sitting in a storage vault
Notes: Could be used to redirect the Border Princes' network towards the Karaz Ankor network. The dwarves are willing and able to wage an existential war against the inhabitants of the Forest of Gloom, should the knowledge of how to activate it be rediscovered.
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We still need to get the info on activating/deactivating/connecting/disconnecting waystone nexuses from Ulthuan. Easy to make the argument that we don't want to be sending flows of magic to the Skaven and their occupied nexuses. Also the knowledge will be needed when nexuses like Mordheim are reclaimed.
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
Karak Izor
Location: The Vaults
Status: Deactivated
Notes: Fully occupied and friendly dwarfhold. All nexuses downstream are held by Skaven, so has been deactivated. The dwarves are willing and able to wage an existential war against the Skaven strongholds of Fester Spike, Foul Peak, and Putrid Swamp, should the knowledge of how to activate it be rediscovered.
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This one confuses me a little because if Karak Izor's nexus is deactivated and thus cutting off the nexuses held by the skaven, shouldn't the nexuses held by the skaven be inactive themselves due to being cut off from both the KAWN, the Great Vortex, and the Poles? And yet they're clearly of major value to the skaven since they created major settlements at each of the nexus locations, specifically.
 
SaltyWaffles said:
This seems almost like a low-hanging fruit, potentially. While the army of demons is a huge concern, they would still suffer the problem of decaying in reality due to a lack of Winds to sustain them. With potentially multiple armies ready and waiting, this represents a major threat to the Empire that it needs to deal with and an opportunity to reclaim a waystone nexus all in one.
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Probably not low hanging fruit, given previous WoBs:
Boney said:
I've been meaning to put a 'Nexus Reclamation' action in somewhere once there was more than the Marcher Fortress to go in there, because the Marcher Fortress would be particularly challenging to try to repossess.
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Boney said:
You know horny jail? You know what it would actually be like if you rounded up everyone guilty of horny and put them in one building? That's the Marcher Fortress. Slaanesh parks it on Khorne's front lawn to piss Him off. You probably wouldn't be thanked for repossessing it on Talabecland's behalf.
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That said, if there was any EC that Mathilde had reason to dislike, it would be Talabecland's :V
 
ReImagined said:
Probably not low hanging fruit, given previous WoBs:



That said, if there was any EC that Mathilde had reason to dislike, it would be Talabecland's :V
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Yeah, even after you deal with the daemons in the Marcher Fortress, you now 'only' have what is almost certainly now the most corrupted location in the Old World that you have to deal with.

It's almost certainly worse than Praag, and Praag is terrible.
 
SaltyWaffles said:
This one confuses me a little because if Karak Izor's nexus is deactivated and thus cutting off the nexuses held by the skaven, shouldn't the nexuses held by the skaven be inactive themselves due to being cut off from both the KAWN, the Great Vortex, and the Poles? And yet they're clearly of major value to the skaven since they created major settlements at each of the nexus locations, specifically.
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I bet the giant pillar of warpstone has developed a sort of gravity of it's own, and may be serving as the sink for all their nexi.

It might be the secret to the leaders living long too- they aren't just getting the dhar from warpstone, they are also bathing in the winds that are flowing inwards.
 
We could probably at least try to mitigate the issue of corruption via a dozen or so Waystones, but yeah, Marcher Fortress is unfortunately not going to be an easy fix unless we do somehow get the Emperor to assign an army to help us out with it.
 
There is an argument to be made that if the Marcher Fortress isn't recovered at some point, then it'll be used in the same way Vlag was intended to be used: a back-door into reality for Slaanesh's forces to come out and play whenever it would be most amusing for Slaanesh, and probably very inconvenient for the Empire.

SaltyWaffles said:
This one confuses me a little because if Karak Izor's nexus is deactivated and thus cutting off the nexuses held by the skaven, shouldn't the nexuses held by the skaven be inactive themselves due to being cut off from both the KAWN, the Great Vortex, and the Poles? And yet they're clearly of major value to the skaven since they created major settlements at each of the nexus locations, specifically.
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Izor doesn't have a nexus, it's a New Hold. It's just there in the list because Thorek is making the point that if the Border Princes nexuses can be suborned into the Karaz Ankor network, then Karak Izor could hypothetically host a nexus, which would be very good for the Karaz Ankor's energy problems but would also likely incite the Vaults Hellwar.

(Also, technically, the Karaks that gather magic and send it off to KaK are just really big waystones, not nexuses.)

Disregard this, I was wrong.
 
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I would like to reclaim the Marcher Fortress for the reasons mentioned but my reason is that it will piss of Slaanesh and Make Khrone happy. I feel like that would be a way to get Khorne to like Mathilde. Also to get rid of the demons there because Khrone complaining about it on his yard is annoying.
 
SaltyWaffles said:
This one confuses me a little because if Karak Izor's nexus is deactivated and thus cutting off the nexuses held by the skaven, shouldn't the nexuses held by the skaven be inactive themselves due to being cut off from both the KAWN, the Great Vortex, and the Poles? And yet they're clearly of major value to the skaven since they created major settlements at each of the nexus locations, specifically.
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If you assume the Skaven are incapable of putting something together that can substitute the required magical suction, sure.
 
SaltyWaffles said:
We still need to get the info on activating/deactivating/connecting/disconnecting waystone nexuses from Ulthuan. Easy to make the argument that we don't want to be sending flows of magic to the Skaven and their occupied nexuses. Also the knowledge will be needed when nexuses like Mordheim are reclaimed.
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That assumes that Myrdmidia, or someone else like the Asur, didn't interfere with the flow to Skavenblight several millennia ago. For that reason, I think it's unlikely that it still flows to Skavenblight, and Boney has offhandedly implied it doesn't (but that shouldn't be taken as full confirmation).

I wouldn't say that it would be needed for Mordheim. It probably would help, but not necessarily needed. Though it should come with the caveat that we would be turning the hellwars into a guaranteed event sometime in the future.

Parabola said:
Izor doesn't have a nexus, it's a New Hold. It's just there in the list because Thorek is making the point that if the Border Princes nexuses can be suborned into the Karaz Ankor network, then Karak Izor could hypothetically host a nexus, which would be very good for the Karaz Ankor's energy problems but would also likely incite the Vaults Hellwar.
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Karak Izor has a nexus, presumably built in the style of Ulthuan's nexuses, like with Norn. Actually, speaking of dwarf nexuses, that reminds me.

Boney said:
[Karak Izor] has a nexus that is turned off because there are gribblies downstream of it, same as Karak Norn.
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Boney said:
At first you begin to believe that it isn't a part of the Karaz Ankor network, but slightly east in its foothills, in a point your compass and map tells you is exactly southwest of Karaz-a-Karak, you find the deep, steady thrum of energy connecting Barak Varr to the rest of the Karaz Ankor.
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I wonder how that works. The Karaz Ankor's nexuses need dwarves present to work. Karak Eight Peaks can "share" a dwarf presence, but I wouldn't think that would have had any population. I wonder if taking the Karaz Ankor investigation action would uncover the answer.
 
MrHobbit said:
Karak Izor has a nexus, presumably built in the style of Ulthuan's nexuses, like with Norn. Actually, speaking of dwarf nexuses, that reminds me.
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MrHobbit said:
I wonder how that works. The Karaz Ankor's nexuses need dwarves present to work. Karak Eight Peaks can "share" a dwarf presence, but I wouldn't think that would have had any population. I wonder if taking the Karaz Ankor investigation action would uncover the answer.
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Ah, I must have missed that at some point. Disregard me, then.
 
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Parabola said:
There is an argument to be made that if the Marcher Fortress isn't recovered at some point, then it'll be used in the same way Vlag was intended to be used: a back-door into reality for Slaanesh's forces to come out and play whenever it would be most amusing for Slaanesh, and probably very inconvenient for the Empire.
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I wonder if, having seen the spell before, Mathilde could just commandeer it and Nope the whole thing back to the warp.

Denied and frustrated slaanesh is funny slaanesh.
 
Glau said:
I wonder if, having seen the spell before, Mathilde could just commandeer it and Nope the whole thing back to the warp.

Denied and frustrated slaanesh is funny slaanesh.
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Perhaps several Wizard Lords working together for months could figure out how the spell proper worked, but the waystone-stoppage thingy that Mathilde did with Vlag only had a 1/6 chance of Vlag staying in the Warp forever.
 
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Glau said:
I wonder if, having seen the spell before, Mathilde could just commandeer it and Nope the whole thing back to the warp.

Denied and frustrated slaanesh is funny slaanesh.
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a key difference is that the Karak Waystones only have one flow to turn off. The Marcher Fortress as an elven style nexus would have dozens or hundreds of individual flows from each waystone chain
 
But turning off the flow would keep it in the real world. We want to send it back to the warp, so we need the power to keep flowing. Commandeer the spell, not end it.
 
Sa'kage said:
I really find it funny, this constant escelation in poor Ranald. "He took on Mork, i'm sure he can take on Khorne." "He took on Khorne, why shouldn't he be able to just sicc Setra on Malekith and kick in Mork's teeth again".

Dude's getting Ciaphas Cained at the moment, helping out because he is a friend, but as a result of his sucess he get's thrown into bigger and bigger fight, all the while not being a War God.
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You fight one shark gid in your own house and then never live it down.
 
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