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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Deathbybunnies said:
It might be, or it might not - it really depends on how big this rock is. We know it's big, but it'd have to be pretty massive for multiple gyro carriages working together not to be able to lift it.

I don't think it would need deactivating though - this is the main part of a Nexus that was never turned on and got nicked, not one that was ever in use.
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Consider the quote from Boney that I had already pointed out to you; I'll emphasize a few sections this time. You could, perhaps, argue that Old One monoliths are smaller than waystones, but I see no evidence for that. There isn't much talking about how big nexuses are, but the handful of descriptions imply that they are bigger. The idea that we can just airlift it out is an obvious nonstarter.

You are correct that there shouldn't be a connection to disconnect though.

Boney said:
moving a [waystone] that would weigh dozens of tons without damaging it even slightly when the cutting edge of transportation technology goes 'neigh' is likewise not the sort of job anyone would be rushing to volunteer for.
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Boney said:
You spend some time staring at the towering stone maypole at the centre of the public green - 'the largest maypole in the Empire!', you remember being told when you spent a night in a tavern here - and smile.
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You pass through Achaes, a town built on nothing in particular with its crude huts clustered around the base of the nexus like nervous chicks clinging to a mother hen
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mathymancer said:
-I would argue that the use of 'Them' rather than 'Him' is another point in favour of the Old Ones. In the Sidestory, Cd-3 refers to Their fellows and Their deific interfaces soley with They/Them pronouns.
-I've missed it on first reading, but the clearing is specifically noted to be rectangular. I might be jumping at shadows here, but this feels a bit unusual. I kind of feel like a natural holy site in a forest ought to be circular, if it's to have any clean geometric shape at all. This is kind of a reach, but could the rectanguler shape be yet another sign of the Old Ones, with their sharp lines and rectangular pyramids?
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The other possibility for the use of they is that it's used in its original sense as a plural. Interfaces may have been shared/reusable m, so different Old Ones could be using a single interface at different times, and/or there were multiple copies of the same interface template existing simultaneously.

If interfaces were aetbyric tools used to interact with the broader Aethyr, then those tools could both be shared and there could be more than one at the same time, just as multiple craftsmen can share the same hammer and multiple hammers can exist at the same time.

Or, to use another analogy, characters in a play. An actor can play different roles at different times, and different actors can play the same roles.
 
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Voikirium said:
Can't speak on Boney Hammer obviously, and I have my own biases (namely I considered the paragraph about how the Asur are above hate from 5E based), but the High Elves aren't in the "party by killing people" camp, not even the Shadow Warriors, who are more the tricky part of Loec anyway. They take some pleasure in killing the Druchii, but even they acknowledge That's Bad, Everybody, so they go to Lileath for forgiveness.
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The Shadow Warriors are the guys who do shit like 'nail 700 living Druchii to the walls of Griffon pass until they perish from the agony'.
 
Mopman43 said:
The Shadow Warriors are the guys who do shit like 'nail 700 living Druchii to the walls of Griffon pass until they perish from the agony'.
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Yes, and it's a pretty constant line from both the other Asur and themselves that it's bad that they do that and enjoy, which certainly tells me it's not necessary for a party and pretty abnormal behavior by broader High Elf standards.
 
Voikirium said:
Yes, and it's a pretty constant line from both the other Asur and themselves that it's bad that they do that and enjoy, which certainly tells me it's not necessary for a party and pretty abnormal behavior by broader High Elf standards.
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I mean they can protest all they want but the mere existence of people like Tethlis the slayer means that "we are above hate" is an ideal they strive towards and fail, not some kind of inborn trait.

It's no more abnormal than murder in our society. That we shun it doesn't mean we are, by and large, incapable of murder.
 
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Frankly, the logistics of moving a nexus do suggest we need to wipe out the Shadowgor Warherd first, which would mean a long and difficult fight.

mathymancer said:
This is a very cute character beat for Egrimm, but what is he actually referring to? When we went on the Waystone mapping action Egrimm seemed to be unaware of the Hedgewise, but presumably by now he knows about Aksel, and he probably assumes - along with the rest of the Wizards on the project - that Aksel is a way for Mathilde to launder Grey Order secrets. So...did he do some research and learn of the Hedgefolk, or does he think that the Grey Order has some pull with this 'Cult of Halétha' that Aksel is a member of?
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I think someone suggested that much like how you could lie and say that the Light Order blessed the wood in an instrument or whatever, it's not out of the question to lie and say that the Dammerlichtreiter (of whom carved wooden figures are sold as superstitious wards against undead) made an instrument for someone as a gift - one that could warn the player of dark magic.

Or perhaps the story could be told that it was actually played by the Dammerlichtreiter, and that instruments made in its image carry some of her magic... Though, frankly, that makes the Spinning Lyre or the Fiddle more appealing. I can't see Mathilde carrying around a portativ without it feeling silly!

Mopman43 said:
The Shadow Warriors are the guys who do shit like 'nail 700 living Druchii to the walls of Griffon pass until they perish from the agony'.
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It would be more correct to say that it was a single dude who did that and that the Shadow Warriors agreed that that was a desirable state of affairs for the people who committed regicide, plunged their realm into the worst civil war the world has ever seen, half-drowned their land and then subsequently re-invaded their lands like three times.

Perhaps the actual Shadow Warriors only engage in shows of horrifying cruelty when it's practical to do so? But then again, Boney has described them as torture-guerillas before. They do engage in shit like that.
 
Alratan said:
The other possibility for the use of they is that it's used in its original sense as a plural. Interfaces may have been shared/reusable m, so different Old Ones could be using a single interface at different times, and/or there were multiple copies of the same interface template existing simultaneously.

If interfaces were aetbyric tools used to interact with the broader Aethyr, then those tools could both be shared and there could be more than one at the same time, just as multiple craftsmen can share the same hammer and multiple hammers can exist at the same time.

Or, to use another analogy, characters in a play. An actor can play different roles at different times, and different actors can play the same roles.
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Sure, it could for example be that Loec/Qu'aph/Ranald are all fragments of one original Deific Interface (Tepok?) or that in the good old days various Old Ones piloted Ranald or so on, though if 'They' is used as a plural because in the Old Ones times Ranald('s predecessor) was plural then that's still a point in favour of this being an Old One site so my original point stands. But I do think that in the sidestory a capitalized They/Them is probably used as a singular pronoun. Consider:
Boney said:
Cd-1 is ruthless when They have to be, and Cd-4 and Cd-5 obey Them utterly.
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Boney said:
Iz-1 is almost as skilled as They think They are
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Here Cd-3 refers to Cd-1 and Iz-1 as They. This is Cd-1 and Iz-1 themselves, not their interfaces - in the one place a pronoun is used in reference to a deific interface the pronoun is it:
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+ Will allow a complete recovery of Iz-DI2 'Sotek', instead of merely fragments of it.
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I actually considered the possibility that Cd-1 is actually a number of people filling a role, in which case 'They' may actually be a plural, but even if that's right it still can't be the case that Iz-1 is a group because Iz-1 is later described as 'the traitor', singular.
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+ Will prevent the ascension of the traitor Iz-1 as the first Daemon Prince of this world.
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The good old plural they is used numerous times in the sidestory, but it's uncapitalized. For example when describing Qt:
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Qt are the least productive RC unless you count them sharing their pets with the Adaptive/Resistant-ImportedTemplate-0 'Dragons', but you'll admit what little they have created does show some promise. For some reason, Qt has developed an entire secondary Deific Interface Pantheon for their pets. That seemed a ridiculous waste of resources, but with the shutout of the mainline DIP they might be what saves this world.
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Deathbybunnies said:
It might be, or it might not - it really depends on how big this rock is. We know it's big, but it'd have to be pretty massive for multiple gyro carriages working together not to be able to lift it.

I don't think it would need deactivating though - this is the main part of a Nexus that was never turned on and got nicked, not one that was ever in use.
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I figure that if Mathilde thought that was a possibility it would have been mentioned in the update. Rigging something big and heavy between two cranes is hard enough; doing it between two or more helicopters is nightmarishly difficult even when it's under ideal conditions. We're talking about a load that's big, heavy, not designed at all for rigging, is in the middle of enemy territory, and would require burning a big hole in thick giant webs just to get an accessible clearing for the gyrocopters to have a place to land.

We'd have an easier time convincing the dwarves to build a super-lifter gyrocarriage for just this one task (and, to be fair, the payoff would be worth it if we could pull it off even if we couldn't use the aircraft again after that). But I honestly doubt the dwarves could design such an aircraft.
 
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SaltyWaffles said:
I figure that if Mathilde thought that was a possibility it would have been mentioned in the update. Rigging something big and heavy between two cranes is hard enough; doing it between two or more helicopters is nightmarishly difficult even when it's under ideal conditions. We're talking about a load that's big, heavy, not designed at all for rigging, is in the middle of enemy territory, and would require burning a big hole in thick giant webs just to get an accessible clearing for the gyrocopters to have a place to land.

We'd have an easier time convincing the dwarves to build a super-lifter gyrocarriage for just this one task (and, to be fair, the payoff would be worth it if we could pull it off even if we couldn't use the aircraft again after that). But I honestly doubt the dwarves could design such an aircraft.
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Call in some favors from the Azyr College, and I think you might be surprised at what you could build.
 
[X] Fiddle

The drawback that it doesn't have enough strings to detect all the winds seem immaterial when its purpose is to detect dhar. Besides that I really like the a e s t h e t i c
 
henkalv said:
[X] Fiddle

The drawback that it doesn't have enough strings to detect all the winds seem immaterial when its purpose is to detect dhar.
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This is a really good point, and I like the symbolism of a common way of warning against dangerous magical energies being a commoners' instrument. We have the visual one for precise measurements, this one is just meant to be discordant if shit near a village is starting to get fucked up.

[X] Fiddle
 
I don't think that it'd be a huge problem to make an 8-stringed fiddle anyway. Existing players would have to adapt to it, but knowing the way some musicians are, they'd take it as a challenge to popularize it.
 
One reason to go for the spinning lyre: it'll make this old comment weirdly prophetic.

Boney said:
"I'll sabre rattle just a little bit, just to make sure this new Tzar respects the rights and powers of the Boyars," says Boyar Schmuckovich just as a bored Baba Niedzwenka rolls into town. "Why do I hear an out-of-tune hurdy-gurdy?"
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Also it's a beautiful instrument and I'm mad that I've gone three decades on this planet having never heard it before.
 
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