We have been kind of arguing in circles and I think the reason that is that this is the first time we came across a problem for which Mathilde is just bad at solving, there is nothing to stab legally to make people get along better and it is not bad enough for illegal stabbing yet. In that sense it is kind of a waste of a social action slot, but we would have had no way to tell that beforehand.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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- Utrecht
Have Ulrican priests swear vows of poverty instead of celibacy.
That does not address the problem of forming a religious dynasty, the reason they would be able to do that is institutional power and prestige.
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- New Brunswick, NJ
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- He/Him/His
I wouldn't call it a waste. We've have problems that we could not, in fact, solve or meaningfully contribute to solving crop up in the past. Knowing that this is a problem like that is very valuable information, because it allows us to reserve brain space for other problems and also to have the knowledge to be careful around sensitive subjects as they arise.
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- somewhere over there.
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- They/It
We couldn't easily make it better, but I do think we could make it worse! It wouldn't be easy, but I bet we could make Ulrikadrin into a third pole in this schism, really get some "three rival popes excommunicate each other" stuff going.
You are right it is of marginal use if we had been planning to poke them somehow, but at the same time no such plan had been made, so that is very marginal.
While I know it's a minority and half-joking position, I'm surprised the ideas for intervening with murder aren't talking about the biggest issue with that plan.
While Ulric's probably not thrilled with his worshippers arguing, they are all pious Ulricans and the celestial husky might violently object to a tricksy shadow magic user assassinating his faithful to control how his religion turns out.
While Ulric's probably not thrilled with his worshippers arguing, they are all pious Ulricans and the celestial husky might violently object to a tricksy shadow magic user assassinating his faithful to control how his religion turns out.
They are too far away to matter, it would be like trying to make an antipope in Samarkand, someone might hear about it, they would not really care
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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- Vermont
It's a social action.
I really don't think utility should be the name of the game.
Gods do not do that as a general rule or the religious landscape would not look the way it does. It was extraordinary and miraculous when Magnus rallied the empire against Chaos though repeated divine signs, that would not be so if every time someone murdered a high ranking priest the Wolf Signal would go off.
Ulrican Priest : There goes the Old Blacky howling again. That is six short howls followed by three long ones. That means it was a Lahmian with a frying pan in the gazebo. No, no wait that is four long ones, means a grey wizard wearing a large hat using a shadow dagger. Git her!
True in general, but when it came to this action most people, myself included, voted for it because of perceived utility. No one really wanted an account of the history of the church of Ulric, or at least I do not recall anyone being excited about the prospect.
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If you combine a repeal of the celibacy with provisions that block teutegon supremacy (for example, concessions on groups in other provinces getting a voice in higher cult positions), you could get something all sides are unhappy but willing to live with. The Nordlanders can say they got their demands met, the Ar-Ulric can say he repealed the ban and got the Cult united again, other Ulrican groups get more influence inside the cult, and the count of Middenland doesn't have to fear the Ar-Ulric building a dynasty when there's groups from a whole bunch of provinces want to take the seat.
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- New Brunswick, NJ
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- He/Him/His
Fun fact, I was researching various mentions of the Druchii in the thread, and I ran across this Boneypost from a long long time ago:
(To be clear, it's also the place where LM Kupfer did his "left Naggaroth worse than he found it" party trick, so if there are any grudges against the Grey lurking in Captain Maktig's mind, it is way more likely that Walther is the target than that Mathilde is. But it was a neat coincidence I wanted to share.)
Clar Karond is the home of the adorable sea captain the thread kinda wants to adopt. Now, obviously there are a lot of elves from Clar Karond... but I wonder if they knew each other? Boy, wouldn't that be awkward if it came out during our friendly three-hour tour, "hey I sold your ex to the Shadow Warriors."
(To be clear, it's also the place where LM Kupfer did his "left Naggaroth worse than he found it" party trick, so if there are any grudges against the Grey lurking in Captain Maktig's mind, it is way more likely that Walther is the target than that Mathilde is. But it was a neat coincidence I wanted to share.)
It absolutely does. Mathilde talking of the Order of the White Wolf as a collection of various interest groups that can be courted separately instead of one unified bloc loyal to the Ar-Ulric is proof of this.
Ar-Ulric Carl Valgeir sweats nervously, hoping nobody looks up the surnames of the next two canonical Ar-Ulrics.
dinomannitro6
all your gender is belong to us
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- The Land Where The Sunflowers Bloom
Do we know roughly where the Marcher Fortress was? Is there lines of inactive waystones in part of talabecland that would be functional if we rerouted their connections to the intact network? (Or Hypothetically managed to make a working Nexus to replace it)
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- North Wales
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- He/Him/His
There's been an on-and-off push towards at least inserting agents into a position where they could gather intelligence on the Cult as a pre-emptive measure for protecting the interests of the Project. The most recent discussion was back in June, which sounds like a long time ago but was actually just last turn:
This social's basically done the job of that action, I feel.
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Southwestern Talabecland, somewhere west of the Old Forest Road, probably in the vicinity of Sydow. There's likely a lot of Waystones in southern Talabecland and northern Stirland that would have routed through it, and if it works the same way that Karak Vlag did, they might still do.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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- Vermont
It's apparently supposed to be the latter, but given how much it's disregarded I think it's effectively the former.
Tome of Salvation page 67:
Both, though breaches of the latter are hard to prove when they kicked everyone that could get pregnant out of the priesthood.
So... what action would it be to rally some troops and pull a Vlag II: Vlag Harder on the marcher fortress? Getting rid of a potential incursion point before the everchosen shows up sounds like a worthwhile use of time.
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dinomannitro6
all your gender is belong to us
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- The Land Where The Sunflowers Bloom
I've been meaning to put a 'Nexus Reclamation' action in somewhere once there was more than the Marcher Fortress to go in there, because the Marcher Fortress would be particularly challenging to try to repossess.
NSMS
Probably evil, unfortunately.
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- A rapidly widening tear in the fabric of reality
There's a non-zero chance that it would choose to possess Mathilde instead.
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- She/Her
on the other hand siding with the nordland ulricans opens the possibility of getting them to get along with Lourelorn. leaving only the "secular", to the limited extent that anywhere or anyone in the empire is secular, parts of nordland aligned against the elves