I understood that part. I was actualy expressing myself in favor of the Nordland Ulricans.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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I understood that part. I was actualy expressing myself in favor of the Nordland Ulricans.
NexusEye
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I think you're in the wrong thread mate.
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Weakening the Ar-Ulric's position has all sorts of knock-on effects across the Empire. It strengthens the Grand Theogenist and his Arch-Lectors, changes the historical dynamic between Nordland and Middenland, all sorts of unpredictable effects. How do we know the extremists won't be able to use the sudden weakening of the cult's primary authority figure to their advantage?
I mean, it is also possible to make the Ar-Ulric position stronger by making it accessible for people who are not of Teutogen descent. So there is more support for the Ar-Ulric and the Cult of Ulric becomes less exclusive. This would of course require to weaken the supremacists, wich is good for the Empire in my opinion.
A more united Cult of Ulric (even in the aftermarth of a troubled schism) could balance better the influence of the Sigmarites.
Then, if you are worried abaout the influence of the Grand Theogonist and Arch-Lectors on the Empire. We can do something abaout it. But that would be another Project.
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Yeah I'm gonna come down on the side of 'this is very not our business'.
This is a delicate powder keg that is, luckily, Someone Else's Problem.
This is a delicate powder keg that is, luckily, Someone Else's Problem.
Our dealings with both the Hedgefolk and Eonir could make it become our problem.
And if in the future we become Supreme Matriarch it absolutely would be our problem.
Basically from Mathilde's perspective there are two options:
1) Get stuck in, invest a lot of time, effort and resources tipping the scales in favor of the preferred side to take the reins without tipping it so far everything crashes over, and also sniping Everchosen candidates who are looking for their achievements to unlock.
2) Stay entirely out of it, avoid crashing regional politics with people we support, and hope some dumbass Destruction faction gets caught trying to tip the scales, only to be ganged up on by all the furries of the Empire.
1) Get stuck in, invest a lot of time, effort and resources tipping the scales in favor of the preferred side to take the reins without tipping it so far everything crashes over, and also sniping Everchosen candidates who are looking for their achievements to unlock.
2) Stay entirely out of it, avoid crashing regional politics with people we support, and hope some dumbass Destruction faction gets caught trying to tip the scales, only to be ganged up on by all the furries of the Empire.
Somic
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Well then, let's hope that by the time we'll ripen to challenge Dragomas (or whoever defeats him) for the position, somebody else will have dealt with this one way or another!
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Which must clearly mean that they definitely weren't magic and this is all just vile Middenland slander. Which might be why we don't know about it, if that's the official line. I doubt they'd teach young impressionable apprentices about the time that a human magic user just took over and it was actually totally fine, nothing went wrong, and their descendants are still in charge to this day.
It feels wrong to say it's not our problem when we're standing in blast range of it, but it does seem to be the sort of thing where we shouldn't act until necessity compels us to.
Or, that is to say, that we shouldn't act until we have a clear way to profit from the situation.
Or, that is to say, that we shouldn't act until we have a clear way to profit from the situation.
I like option 1 more. I like having control of a situation so i know it dosen't risk to escalate.
Well then, let's hope that by the time we'll ripen to challenge Dragomas (or whoever defeats him) for the position, somebody else will have dealt with this one way or another!
I mean, we could fix it BEFORE becoming Supreme Matriarch. So we have political allies already in place before we enter the larger Imperial political stage.
We could benefit from the situation by making the winning Ulrican faction our allies. That would be really useful.
Just saying, if Mathilde becomes Supreme Matriarch. I totaly would push an attempt at giving the Supreme Patriarch/Matriarch a vote in the Imperial Election.
And for such a plot, we would need many powerful allies.
Also, the Elves of Laurelorn understand what human promises are worth. The Ar-Ulfric may sincerely allow them a free hand, but can he bind his successor or his successor's successor?
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This is too huge to not already have people on it, and thise people are probably better at diplomacy than we are.
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I think in this case Ranald's opinion might have a little bit less to do with who's less hierarchical and a little bit more to do with who'll at least acquiesce to his Daughter's attempt to go legit, or at least leave her followers alone.
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There's this one saying about how a politicians greatest sin is the desire to do something when nothing would be better. Mathilde as is currently has no serious knowledge of the individual groups involved, and thus her only real options are to dedicate significant amounts of time to this or use blunter "murder everyone" methods. The latter is unlikely to turn out well considering she doesn't even have the knowledge to know who to murder to achieve what effect. Like with Boris its fairly straightforward, kill dad he becomes Tzar and is willing to use the political levers he has access to to enact Mathildes policy goal. Here we have no such straightforward target.
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I don't think that Mathilde should, like, pull out Branulhune and start taking heads until morale improves, but having this kind of overview of the situation is legitimately important when it comes to determining what directions to push the houses of Laurelorn, and for what preparations and plans we need to have for the project in case this mess goes hot.
In short, I'm really glad we took this option.
In short, I'm really glad we took this option.
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This is also what allows us to actually see the options. Now, maybe they aren't super great options, but we don't know that untill we can actually see them.
Like [ ] Support minor faction into voting for compromise by doing x favour. Wouldn't be directly bad yeah? Now sure, if it's like [ ] start the purge, remove the incompitents. We might have a problem, but otherwise? I don't think Boney is gonna presents us strictly terrible options.
Mathilde may not be the greatest diplomat, but she's is pretty good at it, while being a quest protagonist. There are going to be options for us to do, it's just a matter on how much AP it's gona cost.
Like [ ] Support minor faction into voting for compromise by doing x favour. Wouldn't be directly bad yeah? Now sure, if it's like [ ] start the purge, remove the incompitents. We might have a problem, but otherwise? I don't think Boney is gonna presents us strictly terrible options.
Mathilde may not be the greatest diplomat, but she's is pretty good at it, while being a quest protagonist. There are going to be options for us to do, it's just a matter on how much AP it's gona cost.
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The "Don't make me come over there" school of diplomacy.
Uh, you realize there isn't a compromise option because one side's position is that the other, as a female Ulric Priest, should not exist?
And that the other is to demote the Ar Ulric's rank from supreme Ulrican leader to Large Bishop by refusing to acknowledge that his agreements bind the rest of the cult?
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As far as we have been able to see there are no compromise factions, the kingmakers are the barn-burners no one likes. I do not think they will be magically show up in options. As for 'killing incompetents' don't kid yourself, if it gets there it would be 'kill the people in your way'.
Raiseth
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Yeah, okay, I understand how it could be undesirable to him, and apparently by a lot, if he's willing to go against his own faction's tenets, if only implicitly.
My specific question is, then, whether this creates tension within the Al-Ulric's Orthodox faction, splitting it inwardly between two camps of those who remain loyal to the Al-Ulric and those who would rather be loyal to the status quo he's supposed to safeguard, either out of genuine belief, generational inertia, unwillingness to muddle the issue and weaken their political stance before the worshippers living in Middenland, or some other reasons or combination thereof?
Because existence of Ulkadrin hints at this possibility extensively, and this potentially complicates situation further by introducing yet another bloc into an already unstable and volatile situation.
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Saying "exist" is smuggling the other side's position into the description of the first side, IMO. Say rather that one side's position is that the other is fraudulent.
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Taking the option for the background infodump has decreased the urgency of putting EIC agents into place to pick up Cult gossip, which would likely have just been repeating a lot of this in bite-size chunks.
I do still think it worthwhile putting people into Nordland, if only as a bellwether to let us get ahead of anything that would have knock-on effects in Laurelorn. But agents in the Cult of Ulric or Middenland feel a lot less like something worth spending a half-AP on now.
I do still think it worthwhile putting people into Nordland, if only as a bellwether to let us get ahead of anything that would have knock-on effects in Laurelorn. But agents in the Cult of Ulric or Middenland feel a lot less like something worth spending a half-AP on now.
Either way, no compromise exists because their objective eliminates the other
