There's fourteen people in the Empire that the Emperor's authority cannot casually cuff, and three of them are directly involved with this.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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There's fourteen people in the Empire that the Emperor's authority cannot casually cuff, and three of them are directly involved with this.
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- Norway
I don't think so. I have more faith in cybernetics, in the technical sense of "studying feedback loops and control systems", and I notice that the Empire still has a navy and isn't constantly screaming about how the Holders of the Shore tried to burn down a port again. This puts a very strict cap on how large the Holders of the Shore can be.
It's a similar principle to what we heard about the Druchii previously: starting from the fact that their society still exists, not having backstab-murdered itself into self-destruction nor forced reform, we have to posit that it's more stable and less foot-shooting than some of the literal writer claims would imply.
NuclearConsensus
Herald of the Thorned One
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- the Philippines
That's the first thought to come to mind, yeah. Might still have to wade in there, i the Emperor died tomorrow and we wanted to shore up support for a candidate, or take it away from one.
Meanwhile, the Governor-General of the New World Territories: What are they doing over there?
The cult of Ulric had better hope we do not feel compelled to wade into this because Mathilde would be wading in blood. We have no soft power and no connections except with the self-exiled knights. Our options are kill and discredit, kill and discredit until whoever is left is not too objectionable.
We can double that number if we get the Sigmarites involved too!
pucflek
Verified simpleton
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- Czech Republic
Sigmarites are ironically the one reason why its worth considering dipping our toes into that mess.
Mathilde still hates Sigmar, so making sure that Ulric still has representation on the Elector Meet, which is something that could stop being the case if this goes to head in some more spectacularily bad fashion, is something that she would probably consider when thinking about the situation.
That awkwardness is another reason why theologically Laurelorn is a much better fit with the schismatics.
Pempelune
Fanfiction Deep State
When you say kingmaker but really mean kingslayer
After the Gigaflex:
Oh hell, she was looking for her next project.
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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Well, canonically the Gaussers are the current rulers of Nordland. So anyone arguing they weren't Counts is going to have some level of trouble there.
Actually, influence from the Sigmarites or Chaos might well help solve the problem, as the Cult pulls together against an external threat/problem. I'd say the current situation is more likely to devolve into drawing in the extremists as each faction jockeys for more support and attempts to gain that by offering benefits to people they wouldn't have otherwise.
Saw that post and was going to say the same thing. I love XKCD.
They are Ulricans. Shouldn't they solve this by a bareknuckle cage match between the Ar-Ulric and whoever the most Nordlanders accept as the leader?
I am not even sure is this needs a
You two joke, but i would actually supports this plans if were proposed.
You say it as if its a bad thing.
In my opinion killing religious extremists until only reasonable people are left is a very good strategy.
Our next Project after the Waystones should totaly be sorting out the mess with the Cult of Ulric.
For no other reason than flexing on everyone else in the Empire in general and the Grey Order specificaly.
Also, Ranald would totaly approve the idea. And it could be an highly instructive endavor for Eike.
It didn't work in the past, all the other times they fought Chaos or squabbled with the Sigmarites. At best, there's a temporary ceasation of conflict but nothing is resolved, at worst they don't pull together and blame each other for it.
The thing is killing the extremists would not help, from where we are standing the people who are most likely to need killing/discrediting (which I sincerely hope does not happen) are the Norlanders the ones Ranald would most approve of.
I have to ask... where are the simple, hardy and most importantly totally uninvolved with politics warrior Ulrikans?
Because the cult definetly doesn't live up to the stereotypes.
Because the cult definetly doesn't live up to the stereotypes.
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- Europe
Probably guarding mountain passess or killing orks in the forests and coming back to Ulrikadin as often as Mathilde does to her fief
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- North Wales
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The factions that are uninvolved in cult politics are by definition not involved in the schism, so Mathilde doesn't need to consider them in her analysis.
Not in leadership, too busy cracking skulls. In any organization those who want power are going to be the ones who get it.
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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Sure, but it'll prevent a civil war and I'll point out that the Ulricans haven't AFAIK, actually properly schismed in the past, so while it might not have entirely solved their issues, they seem to have generally settled into a status quo.
Why the Nordlanders? I honestly seem to find the Ar-Ulric position way more extreme and dangerous for the Empire.
Especialy because he either supports or passivly enables multiple supremacist movements within the Cult of Ulric and Middleland.
If we manage to put togheter a Conclave with the more reasonable Ulricans and get rid of most of the extremists and supremacists. Then the Empire would be way stronger and more united. Especialy if we manage to strenghten the ties between the Imperial Cult of Ulric and that in Laureorn.
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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The Ar-Ulric is based in Middenland. The Nordland ones would be more Ranald approved because they are attempting to remove someone from a position of power (and maybe make a less heirarchical structure overall, but I'm not sold on that last one).
I rather doubt it'll come to an actual armed conflict. For one, there's no actual contact line where such a thing would happen, as mentioned in the update. It would take deliberate effort of arming up and marching. And that would get the rest of the empire involved, which neither party wants. Given the signs of chaos rising, you could easily be accused of doing so to aid chaos in weakening the empire, at which point either the Witchhunters, the Lights or the Greys might come around. No, it's pretty clear this is a political conflict. Says so in the update too:
As for not having schisimed in the past? Well, I disagree. Kind of depends on what you see as a schism, of course, but for my money the Nordland and Middenland Ulricans had already schismed long ago, and this is just that coming to the fore again. And the Ar-Ulric going to Talabecland and then having to return to Middenland probably looked a lot like a Schism to the people at the time. The first is definitely big enough to be called a schism, and I don't think enough is known about the second to be sure.
But it's not like there was just one Ulrican faith at some point, and then there were two. It's schisms all the way down. You have the really big ones, like Nordland/Middenland. But within those you have various subgroups with different takes. Then you have subgroups in those (like the "make stores in preperation" vs "burn down stores in preperation" extremists). And if you cared to look, then there's no doubt subdivision in those groups, which are only relevant to the members of the group. And so on, and so on. And in the end, you'd find there's more Ulrican faiths than there are Ulricans, even if a whole lot of them are quite similar. But when it's about religion, ie the fate of the soul and the world as far as the adherents are concerned, those differences that seem like irrelevant details to outsiders can drive people to murder and martyrdom. I'm not going to give IRL examples because politics, but then I don't think I need to either.
Somic
It's meow or never
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The Ar-Ulric is, notably, also not Boris Todbringer, who did most of the relationship-smoothing. If Laurelorn can cast a wider net and afford to be more discerning in allies, they very well might keep Boris as a friend and cleave closer to the Nordlander Ulricans' religious position (without, that is, necessarily being friends with the rest of Nordland).
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- Who knows?
The update mentioned a bunch of orders who mostly stay in various mountain forts fighting gribblies. Except as living beings with needs and wants they can be swayed or persuaded (look, we're the ones who'll truly help you!). Also I'd say the silo burners don't actually care about politics at all! They're just crazy.