Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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It's entirely possible that the nut was declared and he just had to pay an extra duty on it or they had first purchase rights on the nut but declined to do so.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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Parabola
Divided Loyalties Librarian
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- The Destination of Fate
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- She/Her
Laurelorn has been in self-imposed exile for the past several thousand years and has only very recently started to reach out to all other polities. For abstracted purposes, unless Boney confirms otherwise, I'm assuming they don't have anything relevant on Ulthuan as a polity:
So Beastmen, Greenskins and possibly Daemons are the only other topics about outside that we can trust that they have.
... Can we buy Eonir books on demons? That seems kinda... Problematic.
Maybe, chaos does not affect elves the same way it does humans. So they may not realize the danger. But wonder if we can buy books on necromancy.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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They'd have to know anything about Necromancy for that.
Parabola
Divided Loyalties Librarian
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Well, I only meant it in terms of 'they may have these books' - they definitely get Beastman attacks, because the Drakwald is neighbors to them, and we know they have some Forest Goblins problems to an extent, but Daemon incursions from the Winds blowing very hard were also mentioned among the list of things they have to worry about. I don't know how many Storms of Magic Laurelorn has had to deal with across the millennia, but it's probably been enough that their knowledge of daemons is different from Ulthuan's.
If you're asking in the sense of, "are we allowed to do that", maybe not. I imagine it's not exactly something that gets brought out casually, and unlike Greenskins and Beastmen, Daemons are a danger that can emerge from within society. It might not be public in general. But I'd think it's less secret than, say, actual Daemonology books. There's almost no good reason for anyone to read those, whereas you could argue that the books on Daemons at least could have purpose for someone identifying X demon (for hunting down) or finding out when and where they used to attack, or stuff of the sort.
It would mean he lied to the Chaos dwarves of Uzkulak in a semi-obvious way. That's the kind of thing you only do if you have a suicide wish.
"They asked about cuttings from Athel Loren. This nut came off a ship in the Sea of Claws. Where did it come from before that? I have no way of knowing."
Again it s dark elf , while the common ones are not suicidal the novel dark elves are consider cruel and insane by everyone.
Thinking on it, if the Eonir do have books on demons (and assuming we are allowed to buy them), then they might have texts that date back to the Coming of Chaos? It's already been hinted that they have some Old One writings.
Voikirium
SV's Estalia Guy
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- Ruritania Illinois
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- He/Him
I would be thunderstruck (and not in the good way I'm usually struck) by the idea that the greatest wizard of the second greatest human power by both Doyle and Watson's reckoning, with the power of a god that has very probably existed for a very, V E R Y long time, could not excel just about any wizard from a backwater elf colony.
I would probably bet on her over any of them in a magical duel. For this specific research field though, I expect they handily outstrip her.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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I think the dozen Elven archmages old enough to remember a world before the War of Vengeance have a fairly substantial amount of excellence themselves.
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The Grey Lords aren't from Laurelorn. They're a collection of those mages from Ulthuan who engaged in proscribed experiments and were thus forced to leave. They're probably some of the best mages Ulthuan produced in terms of raw skill, though not so much in terms of ethics.
Now, the Fay Enchantress is probably the superior to any one of them in terms of practical stuff like combat magic, but in terms of esoteric things and theory? I suspect that, collectively, they have more knowledge than she does.
Here's a collection of thoughts and questions I have.
Do you think Cython would be willing to write a book on Hysh for the library and light college? Obviously we'd have to pay him a fair amount, dragon hoard and all, but I think the college of light would benefit from potential insights into Hysh and ice.
Should we spend an action to try to access some of the oldest texts the Eonir have access to? That's one of the reasons we went with them and it feels we should take advantage of it.
I have a theory regarding djinn in Araby and their nature that seems to fit with the currently established metaphysics. I think they're spirits like you would find in a dreaming wood, but instead of being shaped by things like Dhar or the eight winds, they were shaped by primal magic as wielded by elemtalists and that's why they seem to map to the four elements more. Their distance from the poles meaning that Winds don't reach often.
Do you think Cython would be willing to write a book on Hysh for the library and light college? Obviously we'd have to pay him a fair amount, dragon hoard and all, but I think the college of light would benefit from potential insights into Hysh and ice.
Should we spend an action to try to access some of the oldest texts the Eonir have access to? That's one of the reasons we went with them and it feels we should take advantage of it.
I have a theory regarding djinn in Araby and their nature that seems to fit with the currently established metaphysics. I think they're spirits like you would find in a dreaming wood, but instead of being shaped by things like Dhar or the eight winds, they were shaped by primal magic as wielded by elemtalists and that's why they seem to map to the four elements more. Their distance from the poles meaning that Winds don't reach often.
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pucflek
Verified simpleton
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They are not colonial elves, they are 13 epic mages exiled for being too weird about magic for ulthuan to stomach.
They predate war of beard, some of them remember saphtenion, if only as kids.
They said it best in introduction. They are not one of the eonir, they are the grey lord's and their people number 13.
One of them calls Morathi auntie for gods sake. What gave you the impression they were normal.
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The problem with getting Cython to engage in any sort of commerce-adjacent activity is that they have the draconic perspective that 'your money or your life' is the trade offer. Otherwise I'd agree that they probably have some super Deep-Wind insights to share, especially vis-a-vis Hysh-as-ice.
The Djinn metaphysics idea seems plausible.
Gods do not seem to be very useful founts of information for whatever reason so unless she was able to bully the Grey Lords in a magical duel I would probably bet on the elves. Even then... how many War of the Beard level armies has the Fey Enchantress vanished on her own. The Grey Lords did that and they have presumably kept on learning for the last several thousand years.
In theory I suspect yes, but we would have to find something to pay him in, which is to say something we can give him that he would be interested in and which he cannot simply bully or take from someone else. Considering he is an Emperor Dragon that is a large ask. The last thing that came up which would have fit is 'the position of Librarian for KAU'.
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Romv
A Memory of TREES
I would not be opposed to that, honestly. Going to Nehekhara to look at pyramids with our loyal friend Egrimm (and Johann, why not), sounds pretty fun actually.
Yeah, i think its a fun adventure too.
A List of Known Nexuses Which are Lost
A List of Known Nexuses Which are Lost, Abandoned, Fallen, Occupied, or Otherwise Non-Functional
(we should probably do something about that)
(we should probably do something about that)
The Blood Fane
Location: The Forest of Shadows
Current Status: Corrupted into an Altar of Khorne.
Notes: Was guarded by a Minotaur until it was slain and replaced by Chaos Champion Bogoslav Tammas during the Storm of Chaos
The Brass Keep
Location: The Middle Mountains
Current Status: Occupied by Chaos Warriors
Notes: Once (allegedly) given to the Hedgewise by Sigmar, but was later confiscated by His cult and then subsequently lost to the forces of darkness.
The Tower of Melkhior
Location: The Forest of Shadows
Current Status: Occupied by the Necrarch Melkhior the Anicient, the first Nechrach created by W'soran.
Notes: Melkhior has/will have a rivarly with his apprentice Zacharias the Everliving, who got/will get a significant power boost from consuming a Black Dragon. Melkhior is currently working on a masterpiece of necromantic lore, the Grimoire Necronium.
Mordheim
Location: Ostermark
Current Status: Unknown/not active.
Notes: The city has been levelled multiple times, but a dense underground network of tunnels, basements, and vaults still remains. Notoriously populated with an endless horde of mutants and worse.
Personal Speculation: The island monastery used by the Sisters of Sigmar as their base of operations seems like a likely candidate for the location of the nexus, should it still exist.
Marcher Fortress
Location: Talabecland/The Realm of Chaos
Status: Under the direct control of Slaanesh
Notes: Can be returned to reality via the same method used to rescue Vlag. Will be populated by an entire army of demons when it does return.
Bugman's Brewery
Location: Wissenland
Status: Ruined and abandoned, but still functional.
Notes: Joseph Bugman is still on his legendary quest to rescue his kinsmen from Goblins, and avenge those he can't save. Links directly to Karak Norn's nexus.
Black Fire Pass
Location: The Forest of Gloom
Status: Stolen by either beastmen or goblins and corrupted into an altar to their gods.
Notes: Was intended to be built in the Black Fire Pass, but was never completed. The dwarves are willing and able to wage an existential war against the inhabitants of the Forest of Gloom to reclaim it, should the knowledge of how to activate it be rediscovered.
Barak Varr
Location: Barak Varr
Status: Never deployed, currently sitting in a storage vault
Notes: Could be used to redirect the Border Princes' network towards the Karaz Ankor network. The dwarves are willing and able to wage an existential war against the inhabitants of the Forest of Gloom, should the knowledge of how to activate it be rediscovered.
Karak Izor
Location: The Vaults
Status: Deactivated
Notes: Fully occupied and friendly dwarfhold. All nexuses downstream are held by Skaven, so has been deactivated. The dwarves are willing and able to wage an existential war against the Skaven strongholds of Fester Spike, Foul Peak, and Putrid Swamp, should the knowledge of how to activate it be rediscovered.
Cragmere/Karak Varn
Location: Black Water
Status: Fallen Dwarfhold, one of 25 Karak Nexuses.
Notes: Occupied by Clan Ferrik, a Warlord Clan. Requires a dwarf population to work.
Red Eye Mountain/Karak Ungor
Location: World's Edge Mountains
Status: Fallen Dwarfhold, one of 25 Karak Nexuses.
Notes: Occupied by the Red Eye Night Goblins. Requires a dwarf population to work.
Black Crag/Karak Drazh
Location: World's Edge Mountains
Status: Fallen Dwarfhold, one of 25 Karak Nexuses.
Notes: Occupied by the Greenskins. Ruled by Gorfang Rotgut. Requires a dwarf population to work.
Hoard Peak/Dragon Crag/Karak Azgal/Karak Izril
Location: World's Edge Mountains
Status: Fallen Dwarfhold, one of 25 Karak Nexuses.
Notes: Lower levels are occupied by Greenskins, Skaven and Undead. Requires a dwarf population to work. The rune for Karak Izril looks similar to the waystone rune.
Mount Gunbad
Location: World's Edge Mountains
Status: Fallen Dwarfhold, one of 25 Karak Nexuses.
Notes: Occupied by Greenskins. Requires a dwarf population to work.
Mount Grimfang/Karag Agilwutraz/Mount Silverspear
Location: World's Edge Mountains
Status: Fallen Dwarfhold, one of 25 Karak Nexuses.
Notes: Occupied by Greenskins and Skaven. Requires a dwarf population to work. Currently the target of Thorgrim's Silver Road Wars, with the aim of retaking the hold.
Silver Pinnacle/Karaz Bryn
Location: World's Edge Mountains
Status: Fallen Dwarfhold, one of 25 Karak Nexuses
Notes: Occupied by Vampires, ruled by the Vampire Queen Neferata. Requires a dwarf population to work.
Thunder Mountain/Karag Dron
Location: World's Edge Mountains
Status: Fallen Dwarfhold, one of 25 Karak Nexuses
Notes: Occupied by Dragon Ogres. Volcanic Hold. Formerly controlled by the Tectonic Shackle of Thungni. Birthplace of the Anvils of War.
Fire Mountain/Karag Haraz
Location: World's Edge Mountains
Status: Fallen Dwarfhold, one of 25 Karak Nexuses
Notes: Volcanic Hold. Can be seen from Karak Azul.
Red Cloud Mountain/Karag Orrud
Location: Nehekara
Status: Fallen Dwarfhold, one of 25 Karak Nexuses
Notes: Volcanic Hold. Occupied by goblins of the Red Cloud tribe. Linked to Karag Haraz.
Foul Peak
Location: The Vaults
Status: Skaven stronghold
Notes: Stronghold of Clan Ektrik, Thrall-Clan of Clan Skryre. Linked to Karak Izor in some way. One of the targets in the Barak Varr nexus hellwar.
Fester Spike
Location: The Vaults
Status: Skaven Stonghold
Notes: Stronghold/former stronghold of Clan Fester, Thrall-Clan of Clan Pestilens. Current ownership post-civil war is unknown. Linked to Karak Izor in some way. One of the targets in the Barak Varr nexus hellwar.
Putrid Stump
Location: The Vaults
Status: Skaven Stronghold
Notes: Stronghold of an Clan Treecherik, Thrall-Clan of Clan Eshin. Linked to Karak Izor in some way. One of the targets in the Barak Varr nexus hellwar.
Skavenblight
Location: Skavenblight
Status: Skavenblight
Notes: Skavenblight
Total tally:
Empire Nexus: 6
Border Prince Nexus: 2
Karak Nexus: 11
Skaven Nexus: 4
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Bugman's Brewery is definitely still functional, Mathilde saw the energy stream connected to it:
It's connected to the Karak Izor nexus, which isn't "lost" per se but should probably be on your list as a nexus that is 'otherwise non-functional':
To be more exact I think Izor connects to Fester Spike and Putrid Stump, and those two are connected to Foul Peak (which probably connects to Skavenblight). The update says that Thorek connects them in string to form a 'crooked diamond', and I think those connections are the ones you need to have to get that shape.
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I like your style, very factual. Well done.
Thanks, I wasn't sure if Izor should count or not. I've updated the Bugman's Brewery entry as well to note that it is functional despite having been abandoned. At least, I'm fairly sure it has been abandoned. We should check that out, make sure it's not vulnerable or anything.