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Oh huh, I thought powerstones were like, palm size stones, not ring size lol. That's way tinier than I thought. And orbs I was picturing like, head sized crystal ball.
Yeah, same for me except I thought powerstones were the size of a small fist. Concerning Teclis' sword, I thought the stones were divided in 4 pairs, each on one of the branch of the cross made by its handle, and that the weight was taken care of by magic.
 
I will note that the "Morb on a staff" discussion was a lot funnier when I was picturing a mystic orb the size of a human head on top of a stick lol.

Speaking of which, @Boney , is it a option to modify the staff of Mistery by sticking a Morb on it?

Or is that something we could only have incorporated into the Staff of Mistery when we were still in the process of making it?
 
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If Mathilde doesn't pull the sword and bisects whoever says that she didn't spend a decade and change on researching them from scratch and actually just pried the orbs lose from some mouthy elf, then at least she is going to be thinking about doing it very hard, And communicating as much whit a glare worthy of her long plaits status.
Mathilde would be very annoyed if people claimed she got if from the elves given how much work she's put into it.
If the "show off the Orbs of Sorcery now" vote wins during the social turn (and hoo boy do I expect that vote to be active and down to the wire), then I honestly think it's funnier if Mathilde gives zero explanation and lets folks draw their own (wrong) conclusions.

"Here's a new set of Orbs of Sorcery guys!" "Holy crap thanks, did you get these from the elves or something?" "No comment, it's a secret!" "Oh, so you totally did but what you did to get them is classified, gotcha."

[Spongebob title card reading "SIX MONTHS LATER"]

Mathilde kicks in the door and drops a giant book on their desks. "I HEARD YOU WERE TALKING SHIT."
 
If the "show off the Orbs of Sorcery now" vote wins during the social turn (and hoo boy do I expect that vote to be active and down to the wire), then I honestly think it's funnier if Mathilde gives zero explanation and lets folks draw their own (wrong) conclusions.

"Here's a new set of Orbs of Sorcery guys!" "Holy crap thanks, did you get these from the elves or something?" "No comment, it's a secret!" "Oh, so you totally did but what you did to get them is classified, gotcha."

[Spongebob title card reading "SIX MONTHS LATER"]

Mathilde kicks in the door and drops a giant book on their desks. "I HEARD YOU WERE TALKING SHIT."
Double bamboozle. Excellent.
 
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If the "show off the Orbs of Sorcery now" vote wins during the social turn (and hoo boy do I expect that vote to be active and down to the wire), then I honestly think it's funnier if Mathilde gives zero explanation and lets folks draw their own (wrong) conclusions.

"Here's a new set of Orbs of Sorcery guys!" "Holy crap thanks, did you get these from the elves or something?" "No comment, it's a secret!" "Oh, so you totally did but what you did to get them is classified, gotcha."

[Spongebob title card reading "SIX MONTHS LATER"]

Mathilde kicks in the door and drops a giant book on their desks. "I HEARD YOU WERE TALKING SHIT."
And then everyone just thinks it's another layer of deception to hide that she actually stole them from the elves until she kidnaps every Lord and Lady Magister in the empire and makes them watch her make another set from scratch...
 
You will never believe how frustrating it is to find an occassion during which Mathilde has her arms bare so that i can finally commission something where she can show off her guns and they aren´t hidden under robes. That also isn´t NSFW

Curse you, reneissance and wizard fashion.
 
If the "show off the Orbs of Sorcery now" vote wins during the social turn (and hoo boy do I expect that vote to be active and down to the wire), then I honestly think it's funnier if Mathilde gives zero explanation and lets folks draw their own (wrong) conclusions.

"Here's a new set of Orbs of Sorcery guys!" "Holy crap thanks, did you get these from the elves or something?" "No comment, it's a secret!" "Oh, so you totally did but what you did to get them is classified, gotcha."

[Spongebob title card reading "SIX MONTHS LATER"]

Mathilde kicks in the door and drops a giant book on their desks. "I HEARD YOU WERE TALKING SHIT."
While funny, a big part of the appeal here - for me at least - is establishing Mathilde as having Mucho Research Cred. If we let people think she just intrigued her way into elven secrets that rather undercuts that, and correcting the first impression 6 months later feels like a much weaker statement than declaring it all up front.

And besides, would you really deny Mathilde the opportunity to expound at great length about her achievement to a gathering of peers and superiors?

You will never believe how frustrating it is to find an occassion during which Mathilde has her arms bare so that i can finally commission something where she can show off her guns and they aren´t hidden under robes. That also isn´t NSFW

Curse you, reneissance and wizard fashion.
Swimming with Panoramia?
 
His biggest action was being utilized as shock troop in Ubersreik. Otherwise he just does the admin work and as a hobby takes care of the Zoo.

His biggest action that we know of.

I imagine that someone who only deals with Mathilde thrice per year could say that she mostly advises Belegar/does admin stuff for the Waystone project (depending on period) and as a hobby takes care of her huge library (though admittedly they'd probably say obsession rather than hobby).


However it is likely that Dragomas has as varied a schedule as Mathilde had when she was Belegar's loremaster. The heads of the Colleges definitely go out a lot: Feldman and the former Amethyst Patriarch went to Sylvania, Algard came to K8P and participated in the Skaven extermination, Paranoth apparently wanders around most of the time. Lorewise Gelt spent a lot of time moving around doing stuff.

I don't imagine that leading the Colleges or even leading a single College is primarily a desk job. It is somewhat dipo heavy but the Colleges are probably a lot easier to wrangle than the Waystone project.
 
Swimming with Panoramia?
If only it were that easy.
Oh. Oh."I only had the hike and the view in mind," you say faintly, only mostly relieved. You should be looking away, but find yourself unable to as she shrugs off her robes. Even though the shift underneath doesn't reveal much more than her robes did, they were still her underthings. "I don't even know how to swim."

She smiles at you. "Didn't you learn to swim as a child? In a dam or a dew pond or something?"

You shake your head. "Of course not. That's tempting Manhavok."

Though you put up a resistance that's half-hearted at most, you can't deny that the water and the company are both tempting, and in the end Panoramia does manage to cajole you out of a few of your outermost layers.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!
 
You will never believe how frustrating it is to find an occassion during which Mathilde has her arms bare so that i can finally commission something where she can show off her guns and they aren´t hidden under robes. That also isn´t NSFW

Curse you, reneissance and wizard fashion.
The only one that comes to mind was her undressing in Eagle Castle after finding the first infiltrator.

But I'm not sure if the rest of it is quite the vibe you're going with.
 
So precise there's no standardized name for the units of measurement involved yet.
I have a suggestion: GBH. "BH" stands for Beard Hair. "G" is for whoever among Grungi, Grimnir, Grombrindal and Gazul has the finest BH.
We'll be at the level where Mathilde is a mover and shaker within the Colleges and could become a Matriarch or Supreme Matriarch and no one would argue
Mathilde would. If you can arque while running, screaming from the room that is.
And all that was achieved whit the "let her loose and she what she drags back in" approach.
Yet another argument in favour of my "Mathilde is a cat" idea.
. If even there some unnamed mage could cast a spell able to resist a major god's power, what good are gods for
IIRC it it not even mages who do the warding. It is the priests of Asurian.
 
You will never believe how frustrating it is to find an occassion during which Mathilde has her arms bare so that i can finally commission something where she can show off her guns and they aren´t hidden under robes. That also isn´t NSFW

Curse you, reneissance and wizard fashion.
I kind of assumed that when Mathilde was doing her initial enchantments on her robes, she'd taken them off and was wearing something else. I'll admit that I'm not sure what she'd be wearing that's casual enough for her to roll up her sleeves (or is sleeve-less to begin with).
 
If the "show off the Orbs of Sorcery now" vote wins during the social turn (and hoo boy do I expect that vote to be active and down to the wire), then I honestly think it's funnier if Mathilde gives zero explanation and lets folks draw their own (wrong) conclusions.

"Here's a new set of Orbs of Sorcery guys!" "Holy crap thanks, did you get these from the elves or something?" "No comment, it's a secret!" "Oh, so you totally did but what you did to get them is classified, gotcha."

[Spongebob title card reading "SIX MONTHS LATER"]

Mathilde kicks in the door and drops a giant book on their desks. "I HEARD YOU WERE TALKING SHIT."
I don't believe Mathilde is capable of dropping off the Orbs without giving at least a half-hour lecture about making them.

Besides... the Orbs aren't Mathilde's greatest accomplishment here. Knowing what AV is, and all the things that can be done with AV? That's what Mathilde has done. The Orbs are just the most visible form of that.
 
Well, Malekith says he's the rightful King, so the Druuchi say he's the rightful King, and that would in their eyes mean that no other king is rightful.
Yes, so what? It wasn't the Druchii who signed the treaty. The "unburnt" part implies that the rightful king is by definition not Malekith, and so that Laurelorn doesn't recognize him. That's all the Druchii would care about, they can recognize that the Eonir's opinion isn't theirs.
 
As such, I think that the right question to ask here isn't "What animates the Unnatural Shadow", but rather "What is the Unnatural Shadow a shadow of?". They're questions with identical answers(Mathilde's unrealized curiosity), but I think the latter question is closer to the right mindset.
Been thinking about this, and I have a suspicion that it's close but not quite there. That the Unnatural Shadow isn't only Mathilde's unrealized curiosity. Considering that it curls around the people she cares about and wants to spend more time with (yet doesn't) and that it manifested by attacking things she wasn't otherwise attacking (but wanted to), I think maybe it might just be generalized to "The Unnatural Shadow is the shadow of Mathilde's unrealized possibilities." Ulgu is about liminality, and the boundary between what is and what could have been is rather fitting.
 
I don't believe Mathilde is capable of dropping off the Orbs without giving at least a half-hour lecture about making them.
"Plz, no questions, I am writing a book about it, it'll be finished in six months or so. Btw, going to Nagarythe to fight dark elves, I am told that this is very safe and there is no risk at all that I'll die before the knowledge of how I created these is recorded anywhere."

edited out a funny typo that was, nonetheless, a typo
 
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I was going to be sad that it looks like Eike didn't get anything out of it, but it looks like we didn't put her on the action to begin with.

Well, seems like it probably wouldn't have been the most instructive anyway.
It went pretty much as expected. If she'd been put there for the full action, she'd probably be involved in the design process for the apparatus. Which, in fairness, would have played very well with her material/magic traits. I'm just very glad this section was done without a roll.

God i wish we had mark of Ulgu. Our magical skill has plateaud. I mean, its still very respectable but give me that sweet, sweet 10 god please :V
Vote for Windherding enchanting. It's the most cutting-edge magically intensive research path we have available to us right now that people will actually vote for. It got us one mark, it can get us more!

You know how many AP we need to spend for any further eight Orbs of Sorcery?

One.
Possibly none. We don't need to spend an AP to convert Vitae into Runesmith Favour. The apparatus is set up and the process demonstrated to be stable. I'd expect that if Orbs do get fully commodified and become merely orbs, their production would be a purchase-turn thing rather than a full AP.

Of these, the ones I'm most interested in are the Skull River Ambush, the Kalishiniviks if that option is still available, and Middenland.
Personally I'm anti-interested in the Kalishinivik follow-up. Whether they were up to anything nefarious or not, they were certainly not responsible for what they were ultimately charged with due to Mathilde's actions. Seems a bit ghoulish to look in at the bodies swinging from the gallows in the aftermath. At best we find out the investigation turned up reasons they deserved death entirely separate to the assassination and assuage a bit of guilt. Dunno if I particularly want Mathilde to feel less guilt in that regard.

Don't the runes also go into the book? It is Mathilde's research, not something she's bound to keep secret. I think just the divine magic bits are out due to the deal with Ranald.
The details of AVs applicability to runes is going to be kept under wraps. At best, it gets a footnote saying that there is applicability, but that anyone wanting more specific information should consider whether they really want to ask a Runesmith about how their sacred mysteries work.

We never took the vote options to seek to weaponize the AV (powering Anvils of Doom and creating Orbs of Sorcery are much better than anything more direct that we could have come up with)
I do think that simply toting a gallon or two to a battlefield and liberally splashing it around for an ersatz Storm of Magic is a reasonable battlefield application for wars that allow prep in advance. Every Battle Wizard would love an opportunity to break out the Cataclysm spellbook on an unsuspecting enemy army.

Alas, my plans to create giant Orbs have been thwarted. I wonder what mechanism limits the size, though?
My personal guess is that it's some thaumaturgical equivalent to quantum energy states. You have specific levels where the energy is stable. Powerstones are to magic what the inner orbitals are to electrons, and Orbs are a more energetic band. Maybe there's another orbital to be reached by pumping in more magic. Maybe not. I'd expect that finding out would involve wasting a lot of Vitae and potentially exploding Karag Nar.
 
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The Scripture Without Author
A thought that's been on my mind for... nearly a year now, really. Ever since my posts after the Elementalism books social.

I've been wondering if Dhar has a Third Secret.

...Okay, maybe that's a little game-mechanic-y. Not a secret as a trick that can be done with it, so much as an overarching purpose that informs everything it is and does. Though an overarching purpose that may imply further secret tricks.

I've theorized that the winds of magic may be equivalent to an oral tradition (or a gas flame) in how they turn the Primordial Winds into more of themselves and that Dhar may not be so elegant, nor even part of the same system. Given it's nature and seeming separation from the other winds in nature, it may require the Chaos Moon to remember what it is. And I'm wondering if that may in fact be part of the point.

The Four aren't exactly the sort to just win and leave it at that. If everything had gone as well as they could have possibly hoped in the Coming of Chaos then, the moment they were done and had won entirely, it strikes me that they'd absolutely start vying with each other. The same is true of Belakor for that matter--- as the most likely person to have any hand in what Dhar is whatsoever. Given the chance he strikes me as exactly the sort to start trying to overthrow his masters, just as they would seek narrow their tetrachy and thus to overthrow each other.

So, given, a group project by four gods of ruin (and their treacherous underling,) why would we not expect it to have the Sudden but Inevitable Betrayal baked right in? Certainly it would explain why so many of the great masters of the magic were either overthrown by their students, (Vlad, Van Hal) or took strict measure to ensure they couldn't be overthrown by lessening what they passed on. (Compare Nagash's works and his Elixir of Life to that the works and recreations of his successors, Or what we've seen of Morathi teaching lessened arts to her students.)

In this, it occurs to me, that the first secret is about how to use Dhar to stablize itself by turning it against on itself, but the second secret is about how that control can be disrupted. Moreso, when its dense enough, Dhar is said to let both gods and demons take physical form and walk the world. And make it something not unlike flesh and blood. The Demons are one thing, but Gods using it? That seems interesting. Different.

So, I'd like to make a proposal: Dhar is not a wind, but the magic of Usurpation.

Not just in the form of being a tool to subsume the winds of magic and the world entire but, by its own nature, Dhar itself is meant to be vulnerable to that same usurpation. It would fit with so many dark wizards coming to either overthrow their masters or take great precaution against such a thing, especially when some of its greatest luminaries, Nagash, Belakor, Malekith, are usurpers themselves.

I could also see it tying into how mutations this update posits to be Dhar Arcane marks to make further mutation only more likely.

It would also fit with what I've presumed to be Dhar's associations with Sacrifice/Zero-Sum and coercive force. To the zero sum, the only way to attain anything is to take it from something else. If not from someone under you, then from someone either beyond you or, previously, over you, in usurpation. And to the usurper, a force of power-without-legitimacy, coercion is the only honest way of doing things.

It may even explain how the likes of the Kislev vortex works. Perhaps the Divine magic within Kislev is able to overpower Dhar with a single tone until it is Dhar no longer, but the Ice Magic of the witches and their divine patron. It might well explain the prophecy of Ice Magic being tainted by a male Ice Witch: Something in the process of conversion, and the way Dhar was meant to taint magic meaning that such a wielder would open it up to taint. (In which sense that prophecy wouldn't necessarily even be a vision of the future, just the architects of old realizing that "Okay, this is the weakness inherent to what we've made, that could potentially allow the thing we're purifying to break the whole system".)

It might also fit with Dhar allowing divinities to take physical form, and not just demonic ones: One divinity being able to turn Dhar into enough of their own stuff to manifest might not be an accident, but an intentional feature. Turning Dhar into their own essence that they might gobble up as much as they could after all was done and they could war with one another sounds like the sort of thing the Chaos Gods would do.

That could explain be why the Chaos Moon was made during the destruction of the Polar Gates: Not as an accident or an afterthought, but because the conspirators may have needed something just plain big enough that no other force could overwhelm and thus usurp it. At least, not until the Four were done with their plot-turned-conquest and could shape reality to their whim. But if Dhar might have been Chaos' attempt at a Short Victorious War, in the end that war was neither short, nor victorious.

Perhaps this is the reason those who keep Dhar in their hearts hear prophecy of demise and foretell times of a thousand thrones.

Dhar knows the predator it is, Dhar knows its own fate. It must feed or else it will be fed upon.

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Also, with that finally written, I'll clean up and present the first, more complete half of a project that's been mostly abandoned, of which that Dhar speculation above was once the more grounded parts of the back half:

The following is theory and speculation, presented as a thesis to a hypothetical paper or tome of Sevirics and the primordial winds Mathilde might one day pen. Presumably as sequel to The Aetheric Vitae.

The short version can be found here.

This also one that incorporates speculation on the possible origins and ends of Dhar both as contrast to the winds of magic and because it lets me write fun prophecy of doom things. And also because, at this point, I feel like Boney gets a kick out of magic theorycrafting.

Includes footnotes via both ABBR alt text tags and also copied down in the notes below for things that don't really fit into the format.



The Scripture Without Author1​: On the Origins of the Winds of Magic and Their Nature.

From what source comes the natures of the Lores of Magic?

The Aetheric Vitae, drawn from the Aether, has no nature of its own. Instead, it is shaped by the world around it, by the magic it is exposed to, and by the thoughts of living beings. Yet, there is an issue with this simple fact: Should that Prima Material be shattered in a way that leaves it truly to it its own devices it does not boil or evaporate into the winds of magic, but rather becomes the substance of reality itself.

What, then, writes the Lores of Magic and Divine, if not reality itself?

Who authors the lore of the Hedge? The folk and wise of the hedge do. Through long tradition their ways and rites have become deeply ingrained in the lore they wield.

Who authors the lores of the Divine?2​ The divinities themselves. Whether by those gods we gladly call our friends, allies, and patrons or by those who we are sworn to oppose, the power is written by the divine, and the divine shape it to their nature.

Who authors the lore of the Elements? Through conceptual resonance, It is written upon earthbound magic by the world itself, though weakly enough that it may be overwritten by the Lores of Sevir. This, I think, is the key, for if Sevir can write upon another magic to make that magic into itself, perhaps that is all it has ever done.

Who, then authors the lore of winds and why are the lores of Sevir, so separate and more seemly elemental in comparison to the other lores? The winds themselves are both lore and source of Sevir: A scripture without author.

A legend passed down by the storytellers of a village or copied by scribes through the ages may be retold forever, for as long as the tradition remains unbroken. So too do the winds of magic write themselves unto the Aethyr that enters reality for so long as the wind of magic shall blow.

It is possible once these winds had a first author who gave them the elements, mysticisms and cardinal associations of each wind. Certainly the Accounts of the Dragons of Caledor speak of great machines.3​ Whatever or whoever once was are lost to memory and history. They did not bind themselves into their creation, and their creation grew beyond them. Whatever authors the winds once had or never had, they no longer have nor need.

Notably where Dhar turns the substance of the Aethyr into only Dhar, and reality becomes only more reality, when Ulgu encounters the raw stuff of the Aether it writes not only Ulgu, but its kin in Sevir: Ghyran, Aqshy, Chamon, Shyish, Ghur, Azyr, and Hysh.

That opposition and contrast of the winds is seemingly so inherent to the winds that each one will bring its kin winds forth when it could instead have replicated itself eightfold more. The winds of magic may not touch, but neither were they meant to exist alone. The scriptures of Sevir are not eightfold, but one.

Perhaps this is why the winds demand as much or more of their practitioners as any diety does of their most zealous of faithful. In a thing that must define both itself and its kin utterly, every tenet must be written in full, and every code of practice must be engraved in every act.4​

A diety can look out for themselves, the winds of magic must rely upon their own steadfast nature and so that nature must be spoken long and loud.

To say that the scriptures of Sevir are without author, then, is as much poetry as fact. They have as many authors as thinking beings who recite them, and it is for this fact precisely that no force can truly claim the authority to control them.

But just because the scriptures are so complete does not mean they are immutable. In the story retold through generations each teller may add their own focus and embellishment to the tale.

We of the Colleges do not merely wield the winds of Sevir: We welcome them into our being to reshape our souls, and so by years and decades we become the living incarnations of our chosen wind; In becoming beings of the winds, the winds also becomes of us.5​ When we write upon the substance of magic with our spellcraft our loves and joys, our knowledge and understanding of the world and of Sevir are so also written. Whether by mastery known only to us or by spell codified and passed down to our students and colleagues perhaps we are reshaping of the winds to our own nature.

It is said that when a spell reaches the point of battle magic, it remembers where it came from. Perhaps this is why is so dangerous and difficult to control, even to the greatest of us. Battle magic may simply be the point where the winds of magic becomes less that which reads the scripture of Sevir, and more the scribe.

This is also why spells that seek to push the boundaries of what is possible are most easily created as battle magics.

Should one seek to pen their own tale in the lores of Sevir, it must either resonate with what is already told, or be writ large and loud enough to form new magic.

All Sevir is one art. It's complexity ensures that no one being could ever claim control over all of it. But that does not mean that none have ever tried.

By what author comes Dhar?

[snip Dhar section and prophecies of the End of Dhar]

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AN: This is somewhat hampered by being conjecture where a collegiate paper or book would have experiments and citation to back itself up, alas.

Footnotes:

1: Even from the very title, this is posed as an answer to the lines of inquiry pose by Cython and Panoramia. The winds are not gods themselves. Rather, if they compare to a faith, they are more akin to something like Bhuddism where the most important thing isn't any amount of divinity behind it, but the lessons it contains. Really though, the best fit is an oral tradition, it's just that spelling that out outright didn't feel like it fit into Mathilde's frame of reference.

2: It's questionable whether Mathilde would actually include anything on divine magic in a work like this post Truth or Faith update, but this feels like an important part of the argument while being reasonably general about it. Plus subtly laying groundwork for the idea that not only is Sevir not the same as divine magic, it also isn't Elementalism or Hedgecraft. Nor, as will come up later, is Dhar a true wind of magic, however much it may try to look like one.

3"The great machines begin to fail and the energies they were supposed to harness began to pour into the world, and the Ruinous Powers began to mould those energies - but the machines were more clever than they expected, as most of the energies were transformed by their passage into the world into forms that followed their own natures, rather than the orders of the Ruinous Powers. "

4: An answer specifically to Cython: It is precisely because the winds are scripture, rather than diety that the winds imbue the seeming-Zeal Cython once spoke of.

5 [The Living Incarnation: L.M. Johann (Gold), 2497]

6 A point here I'm not sure how to raise is where the thoughts and emotions of living beings come into it. My current theory is that the emotions of living beings would probably cause Sevir as a result of Old One meddling.
 
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