[X] [Naming] Runecrafting and Runes

Alas, I am more attached to "rune" than "lithosealing".
Orochimaru continues to buy chakra from Noburi.
This is very ominous, since Orochimaru has already achieved his objective of training Bones of Creation to an acceptable level and must now have simply cottoned on to how powerful the combination is. I'd say he's still missing the secret sauce of "use clone-hours to train resolve to get more clone-hours" but Orochimaru's un-FOOM'd Resolve is likely comparable to our FOOM'd Resolve regardless.

I am now more in favour of taking Noburi with us when we go. Even if Orochimaru kidnaps another Wakahisa, he'd have to spend time cobbling together enough chakra sources to turn that into a proper replacement, which buys us more time.
In the year prior to the second world war, we likely killed a hundred enemy ninja
I still don't understand how this shakes out. Like, the impression we keep getting is that even a single confirmed case of a ninja from one village attacking a ninja from another village is the sort of thing that sparks war. And sure, if nobody escapes it's not a confirmed case, but how many missions can you do before you slip up even once? And it's not like ninja never fail these missions, so like, some fraction above 1% of all missions at minimum should be resulting in confirmed intel of enemy action. It just doesn't add up: either there can't be that many missions like this, or it should be a lot harder to spark a war.

Hazou says that AMITY makes it hard for him now in particular, and Orochimaru doesn't disagree, but AMITY's not that special in this regard. Chouza regards it as just another postwar treaty, and like, that implies there are other postwar treaties, which means this sort of situation where villages getting caught attacking each other is a big deal must've happened before, in the time after the other world wars. What's different? Is anything different? How do you do missions like this, in this kind of quantity, in these circumstances? I mean, Sannin being Sannin you could expect to send them out more safely than any other Jounin, but how is there even this kind of volume of murder missions in the first place? Did the Sannin account for 75% of all confirmed kills in that year? It just doesn't make sense to me, and the cynic in my head keeps saying that if we ever properly interacted with that part of the setting we'd quickly find that something in the above set of facts has to yield for the setting to stay coherent.
 
This is very ominous, since Orochimaru has already achieved his objective of training Bones of Creation to an acceptable level and must now have simply cottoned on to how powerful the combination is. I'd say he's still missing the secret sauce of "use clone-hours to train resolve to get more clone-hours" but Orochimaru's un-FOOM'd Resolve is likely comparable to our FOOM'd Resolve regardless.
Uh oh.

Thats actually not good for Noburi.

Uhhhhhhhhhhhh.

Ruh roh.
 
So, Naruto looped Orochimaru in on the whole necromancy thing, right? All the details, save maybe a few, and then ordered-not-ordered him to go close the rift before Akatsuki grabs it.

...should we talk with him about this? I kind of think it's ideal if we can collaborate with him through 7Path after we go missing, since he's not someone the Akatsuki can shove around and our interests broadly align wrt "get Jiraiya back", and it's not like ignoring him will make him stop working on his side of the project.

I dunno. I'm not even sure what we stand to gain by approaching him about this, but I can't help but feel like it would be an unforced error on our end to let Orochimaru take his research all the way to "closing the afterlife rift" and then denying us necromancy forever. We're willing to go missing over the chance to beat everyone to the punch and steal the rift, after all, why should we leave ourselves in a race against Orochimaru as well when we could instead coordinate our efforts? I don't want to put us under his power to do so, of course, but even if not now I can't help but feel like breaching this topic should be on our to-do list somewhere.
 
So, Naruto looped Orochimaru in on the whole necromancy thing, right? All the details, save maybe a few, and then ordered-not-ordered him to go close the rift before Akatsuki grabs it.

...should we talk with him about this? I kind of think it's ideal if we can collaborate with him through 7Path after we go missing, since he's not someone the Akatsuki can shove around and our interests broadly align wrt "get Jiraiya back", and it's not like ignoring him will make him stop working on his side of the project.

I dunno. I'm not even sure what we stand to gain by approaching him about this, but I can't help but feel like it would be an unforced error on our end to let Orochimaru take his research all the way to "closing the afterlife rift" and then denying us necromancy forever. We're willing to go missing over the chance to beat everyone to the punch and steal the rift, after all, why should we leave ourselves in a race against Orochimaru as well when we could instead coordinate our efforts? I don't want to put us under his power to do so, of course, but even if not now I can't help but feel like breaching this topic should be on our to-do list somewhere.
The next time Hazou meets with Oro:

"So, how do you feel about treason?"
 
[X] [Naming] Hazōsealing and Hazōseals

We should make Jiraiya, inventor of Jiraiya's Awesome Daybright Lanterns, proud.
 
So, Naruto looped Orochimaru in on the whole necromancy thing, right? All the details, save maybe a few, and then ordered-not-ordered him to go close the rift before Akatsuki grabs it.

...should we talk with him about this? I kind of think it's ideal if we can collaborate with him through 7Path after we go missing, since he's not someone the Akatsuki can shove around and our interests broadly align wrt "get Jiraiya back", and it's not like ignoring him will make him stop working on his side of the project.

Yeah, actually, point out that a rift to the afterlife might mean functional immortality for him and the ability to acquire persons of interest from beyond the grave, be those figures of legends he'd like to chat with or individuals he'd like to study.

It also trivializes the pointless tug of war of conflict in the EN, which is one way to end the cycle, so that people can move on to bigger and better things.

This is a once in a lifetime opportunity to extract priceless value out of the setting at a vastly compounded rate that meshes strongly with first mover advantage.

When he gets flustered or incredulous at the impossibility of the task, just stare at him and hit him with the "Cowardice and ambition are incompatible, uncle." and watch him go silent and pensive.
 
"Never have I seen someone discover a new field, then choose to name it in different, incompatible ways. As a historical quirk, the runes/lithosealing nomenclature is perhaps forgivable. As a voluntary choice, it is not."
i've been saying this

[X] [Naming] Lithosealing and Lithoseals

You read the report and remembered it, and are now chaining words together in the hope that they make sense.
HAZŌ: "Is there another way to use words?"

and you would benefit from being… less crippled by your injuries
yeah... poor hazō 😭

"Must I spell it out?" Orochimaru asked. "Here, an example. You asked questions about Jashin in our previous conversation. Do you wish to learn more about the creature? Go and raid a Jashinist temple; if Hidan has been reasonably productive, there should be plenty. Bring a Yamanaka if you're feeling ambitious. Is that sufficient?"
OROCHIMARU AND ALSO EAGLEJARL: "You need to be beating people up and stealing their shit, dumbass."
 
Kei suggests you reject Mikijirō's plan, on account of not wanting to spread the taint of Hagoromo religious authority any farther than it has already spread.
Overrule? The perfect is the enemy of the good.

the Five clans are generally ordinary chakra users, with a relatively normal bloodline
I take this to mean that unlike tailed beast sealers, the five can gain no chakra powers from their prisoners, because their prisoners do not have chakra. So the tenfold abomination is some kind of fusion between something external (mind) and internal (body)?

EDIT: We're also missing an opportunity with the naming. Seals are called such because they were originally used for sealing. Runes have so far only been used for explosives. So it should be called Explosioncrafting and explosives.
 
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[X] [Naming] Runecrafting and Runes
[X] [Hazo Training] Coffins and Bones
[X] [Noburi Training] Tainted Medicine

And even if we're still discussing on what combat stunts to get for CotwWG, we should still go ahead and actually buy it to level 20.

[X] [Kei Training] Leveled Whisper in the Wind
Cloak of the Wind God 0 -> 20 (105 XP)
Cloak of the Reaper 0 -> 1 (0.5 XP)
Whirlwind Barrier 0 -> 1 (0.5 XP)
Total: -106 XP


"It appears your knowledge has expanded regardless of the Nara's obstructionism," Orochimaru said. "I am afraid I cannot draw conclusions on your behalf. Still, I will highlight relevant information you already have: the Five clans are generally ordinary chakra users, with a relatively normal bloodline."

It may be that Orochimaru agrees with the theory that the Five are akin to warlocks whose "bloodline abilities" are simply them using an Eldritch Entity's power for their own ends, with the ability somehow tied to the same genetics/bloodline ability that keeps these Entities caged.
 
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[x] Action Plan: For Efficiency's Sake
Words: <200
  • Sanity Check/Optimize with Mari, Snowflake, and Kei
  • Multithread where possible
  • Substrate Experimentation
    • Under maximum safety conditions, test if...
      • ...High-level Earthshaping can resolve Bones of Creation's early flaws.
      • ...Earthshaping can change the shape of uninfused substrate into different shapes (chakra conductive thread/wire, kunai, knives, etc)
        • Are results meaningfully different from standard issue versions (strength, ductility, flexibility, etc)
        • Try braiding substrate thread with ES, retest
      • ...Substrate thread can trigger seals (use party trick), or extend chakra adhesion (ex: tarzan swing)
  • Rocket Kunai Research
    • Ask Snowflake (a Greatly experienced Ranged Weapons user), to consult with Ōshirō and the skyglider engineers to design specialized kunai that would better handle the propulsion of a Rocket Boots seal.
      • Scattershot suggestions
        • Thinner
        • Cone-shaped
        • Four, equidistant fins
          • Force walls as lightweight wings to help it fly?
  • Kei
    • Hazou you considered experimenting on synergies between Darkness Seals and Shadow Ninjutsu?
  • Offscreen
    • Continue...
      • ...training Orochimaru
      • ...learning THing
    • Minami Network
      • Ask clan members what jutsu they need to round out capabilities
    • Trade Deal with Aburame
 
So I just want to underline that if Noburi is to be believed here, that Orochimaru likely has ways to drastically increase his chakra capacity with biosealing.

This means that such a thing is theoretically on the table, with biosealing or some other sealing variants.

This is really hopeful for Out-of-Leaf FOOM and misc combat applications, since sufficiently high CR does the job...
 
So I just want to underline that if Noburi is to be believed here, that Orochimaru likely has ways to drastically increase his chakra capacity with biosealing.

This means that such a thing is theoretically on the table, with biosealing or some other sealing variants.

This is really hopeful for Out-of-Leaf FOOM and misc combat applications, since sufficiently high CR does the job...
Higher CR is one of the things we want from minatosealing... 🤔
 
I don't know if this has already been suggested, but we should ask Orochimaru to speculate about what might have caused the Great Seal to fail, and if it might be related to Pain's ritual.
 
[X] [Naming] Headache Sealing and Headache Stones
Come on. You know you want it.
[X] [Naming] Lithosealing and Lithoseals
Boring, but I'd like to keep "sealing" in the name if we can't make "an Archaeological Find is You" canon
 
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[X] [Hazo Training] Runes, Coffins and Bones
Primordial Sealing 11 -> 16 (140 XP) | 11 -> 17 if affordable (174 XP)
Geode Coffin 0 -> 1 (0.5 XP)
Bones of the Earth 0 -> 1 (0.5 XP)
Total: -141 XP | -175 XP

[X] [Naming] Rune, Runesmith, Runesmithing

We have 170 XP banked as of this update, before FOOM XP and we do need to level PS and fast. We were planning to raise PS to the mid-term maximum of Lvl 26, anyway, so we should aim to do so - can't let Orochimaru surpass us, that will burn a lot of options very quickly. Cooperating with him also shows promise in the sense that we might share the Runes we develop jointly and there is a far lesser risk of Akatsuki swooping in to stop it than if we'd worked alone, plus of course it builds further rapport with the Sannin which is going to be incredibly useful as is.
 
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When we Go Missing, Orochimaru's totally going to believe that Hazou left Leaf to follow his advice :p

"Lastly, most would not call it a meaningful source of power, but if you wish to be strong, you should fight far more than you do. A large contributor to my team's strength was the amount of missions we took. In the year prior to the second world war, we likely killed a hundred enemy ninja, and in the war, there were weeks on end where I would kill a dozen a week by my own hands alone. This is not to glorify killing like that fool Hidan. No, it's just an observation that for all that our Scrolls and ninjutsu aided us, it was the crucible of war that granted us an edge that nearly no other ninja have.
 
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