Why this? We're going to look like an idiot if she is just ultra paranoid of witching and not trying to revive Kato Setsuko. Everything else seems fine.

The evidence seems clear Rin and Sakura were in Ishinomaki for Kato Setsuko specifically:

"I'll be asking more about that later. But not in present company," you send to Akiko telepathically. Her expression shifts, subtly. Out loud, you ask, "So, what happened specifically? Rin-" bottle green eyes flick over to you "-was on her healing circuit? You were conducting negotiations for...?"

"I was there t-to heal another independent," Rin offers. "Kato Setsuko."

Akiko tilts her head to indicate agreement. "I don't know how much you've heard, Miss Sabrina, but Ishinomaki and us have... not been on the best of terms, in recent years."

Akiko confirms, if not verbally.

"Kato Setsuko is dead," Akiko says, voice even.

"Wasn't Rin going to heal her?" you challenge. You turn your head to your right, looking up to the top of the building where Akiko and Sakura are standing, and you fancy that you meet Akiko's gaze across the gulf. "Something I should know?"

If there's nothing to it but ultra paranoia over witching, I can't really see a reason to give Rin the name Kato Setsuko. And we would still need to call her out on that lie.
 
-[x]Do you actually believe that, Akiko? Kato Setsuko is dead. Yet you're trying to heal her. Grief seeds bring safety and security. Yet they've brought you a war. STOP LYING TO YOURSELF. There are other ways. Allies you don't have to pay. Soul gems and grief seeds emptied of corruption, without sacrificing your reserves. Freedom to pursue your real goals, without being attacked or sneaking around.
-[x]Start talking to her teammates, Rin and Sakura and relayed to the other girls if possible. Explain what we've just heard, with a focus on all the contradictions. Do they really want to try and demand 30 seeds from a group that they know can't afford it and force us to side with the University group if they refuse? Or would they be willing to work for peace with us?
Hm, could we and is it wise to merge the two?
If the first subvote is put at the end, it would be pretty similar discussion.
 
Y'know, if Kato Setsuko did actually witch out and Akiko is stockpiling grief seeds because A) horror of witching out or B) she's using them for some strange voodoo to keep Kato's seed from hatching, then she actually can't explain this unless she knows she's talking to meguca who know certain things already. Telling a whole group of meguca--all of whom are stressed, some of whom are already actively hostile--is a great way for everything to blow up in the messiest way possible. Witchbomb is the danger, after all.
...hence the whole "have a private chat with Akiko" idea. That way we can rule out the possibility safely. Or, if it IS the witchbomb, then we can figure out what to do then, instead of doing damage control. Like always.

-[x]All I'm asking right now is that you stop hounding the University Group.
Is everyone forgetting about the Ishinomaki group that Akiko keeps attacking? Come on, guys.
 
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[x] To the entire region
--[x]Ultimatum
No. of votes: 1
Crasian01

[X] I have the standing offer of free cleanses for soul gems and free restoration of grief seeds. You are right that I can't be attached to you at the hip, but would it be sufficient for your purposes if you were free to visit Mitakihara to ask for those? With Sakura, it shouldn't take too long.
No. of votes: 1
'Lement

[X] Ugolino
No. of votes: 1
landcollector

[x]Begin increasing the intensity of the questions
[x]Point out the irrationality of Akiko to the other magical girls to get them on your side, maybe even ask them for info on Akiko.
[x]If there is any dirt on Akiko, try to use that to your advantage.
[x]If Akiko continues to stonewall you, advise Mami to stay strong, and then point out that she is playing right into Kyubey's hands. The very mention of the little jerk should get blood flowing, which, while not always advisable on a mediation, is likely to band the other magical girls against her.
[x]If Akiko cracks on the other hand, then thank her for being reasonable.
No. of votes: 1
Bobalo18

[x] To Akiko, telepathy:
-[x] What if I told you that there may be a way for grief seeds to be more than that? Not just safety and security, but hope for a return to something better?
-[x] I can't promise it. I've only barely got a hint of that as a possibility, and have been crazy busy the last few days, so haven't been able to really test it. But that hint is there.
-[x] Maybe it's only a pipe dream, but I'm not going to give up on it. But the more fires I have to run around putting out, the less time I can spend on such things.
-[x] I'm offering this â€" have been offering this â€" since the beginning. You can cling to safety and security, but that only keeps you tied to the here and now. If you want to try for something better.. if you want to hope for something better...
[x] Fallback, in case the above fails:
-[x] Stand up. Sorry, an emergency has just come up. Save my seat for me, please.
-[x] To all Sendai: Sit tight, I'm coming over right now.
-[x] Pull down enough grief for a small carpet and jump on it to head directly to Akiko's position.
-[x] Start cleansing Akiko's soul gem as soon as feasible.
No. of votes: 1
Kinematics

[x] To Sakura: Uh, is she okay?
No. of votes: 1
Random832

[x] Cannongerbil
No. of votes: 2
Aranfan, Dirtnap

[x]Reassure Rin. This isn't her fault.
[x] Telepathy Akiko
-[x] I can't be around you 24/7? With Sakura's help, I practically can. Anytime you want your seeds refreshed, you can drop in and I'll cleanse your seeds. If you want to stay above a certain number of clean seeds, I can do that too. How many seeds are enough? Would having 30 seeds ready to use at all times forever be enough for you? What about fifty? 80? Because that's what I'm offering here. Infinite grief cleansings. All I'm asking in return is that everyone stop fighting for a reason I've made obsolete.
-[x] Please, Akiko, work with me. This doesn't have to end in tears. I just need you to stop hounding the University group. You don't have to do that anymore.
[x] If she reacts negatively or rebukes our offer:
-[x] Start talking to her teammates. Rin and Sakura, mainly, and ask if them can relay the message to the other girls. Tell her what we've just heard. Do they really want to go with a plan to try and demand 30 seeds from a group that they know can't afford it and force us to side with the University group if they refuse, or would they be willing to work for peace with us?

No. of votes: 1
cmwatford

[X] Speak to Akiko privately. Ask her if this has something to do with soul gems and Witches--and if it does, to elaborate. Heavily imply that we already know what she would be talking about. If she says that it doesn't, then ask if this has something to do with Walpurgisnacht.
-[X] If Akiko refuses to answer or gives an unsatisfactory answer, then go all-chat telepathy and point out all of the contradictory answers Akiko has given. Call her out on her bullshit, and explain that the only person who is not amenable to peace in exchange for Sabrina's services and a promise to keep the peace is Akiko, personally. Not the Sendai group, just Akiko.
-[X]Present ultimatum: Sabrina will enforce the peace and provide free, unlimited cleansing to everyone whenever they need it. Future disputes can be taken up with Sabrina and worked out. The Fukushima group will not be called in, or will be called off it already called in. Lastly, Akiko will be taken in for house arrest. The rest of the Sendai group will be free to go, but if any of them try to defend Akiko, they will subdued and taken in for house arrest as well.
[X] If Akiko presents a satisfactory or sufficiently compelling answer to the original questions, then we will determine our response in the next vote.

No. of votes: 1
SaltyWaffles

[x]Reassure Rin. This isn't her fault.
[x] Telepathy Akiko
-[x] I can't be around you 24/7? With Sakura's help, I practically can. Anytime you want your seeds refreshed, you can drop in and I'll cleanse your seeds. If you want to stay above a certain number of clean seeds, I can do that too. How many seeds are enough? Would having 30 seeds ready to use at all times forever be enough for you? What about fifty? 80? Because that's what I'm offering here. Infinite grief cleansings. All I'm asking in return is that everyone stop fighting for a reason I've made obsolete.
-[x] Please, Akiko, work with me. This doesn't have to end in tears. I just need you to stop hounding the University group. You don't have to do that anymore.
[x] If she reacts negatively or rebukes our offer:
-[x] If you don't agree to peacefully resolve this then I will crush you like I crushed the Ishinomaki group, don't make me fight you. Please reconsider this position.
-[x] Start talking to her teammates. Rin and Sakura, mainly, and ask if them can relay the message to the other girls. Tell her what we've just heard. Do they really want to go with a plan to try and demand 30 seeds from a group that they know can't afford it and force us to side with the University group if they refuse, or would they be willing to work for peace with us?
No. of votes: 1
Emdeman

[x] Reassure Rin. I know this isn't your fault.
[x] To Rin and Sakura: Is she okay?
[x] To Akiko: Point out that she knows a teleporter and we're fine with her dropping by whenever for cleanses or to refresh Seeds. All we're asking in return is that everyone stop fighting for a reason we've essentially made obsolete.
-[x] Please, Akiko, work with me. This doesn't have to end in tears. I just need you to stop hounding the University group. You don't have to do that anymore.
-[x] Safety, security, commodity doesn't explain why you told us you were in Ishinomkai to heal Kato Setsuko. There's clearly more to this, and I can't help you if you won't let me. If you want, we can go somewhere to discuss the issue in private.
[x] If she reacts negatively or refuses our offer:
[x] To Rin: Akiko has informed me that Kato Setsuko is dead. Did you know about this? Why would she take you to Ishinomaki to heal a dead girl?
-[
x] Relay to Mami, via telepathy what Akiko just told us. Thoughts?
[x] To Akiko: One way or another your extortion of the University girls is going to stop. If we can't come to a peaceful agreement, then for any further payments you'll have to go through us. Please reconsider, I don't want to start that fight, but I will end it if you force my hand.[/b]
-[x] Start talking to her teammates. Rin and Sakura, mainly, and ask if them can relay the message to the other girls. Tell her what we've just heard. Do they really want to go with a plan to try and demand 30 seeds from a group that they know can't afford it and force us to side with the University group if they refuse, or would they be willing to work for peace with us?
No. of votes: 7
moonstne, Cannongerbil, Ugolino, EtchedSteel, Gadjo, Muramasa, Skelm

[x] Reassure Rin. I know this isn't your fault.
[x] To Rin and Sakura: Is she okay?
[x] To Akiko: Point out that she knows a teleporter and we're fine with her dropping by whenever for cleanses or to refresh Seeds. All we're asking in return is that everyone stop fighting for a reason we've essentially made obsolete.
-[x] Please, Akiko, work with me. This doesn't have to end in tears. I just need you to stop hounding the University group. You don't have to do that anymore.
-[x] Safety, security, commodity doesn't explain why you told us you were in Ishinomkai to heal Kato Setsuko. There's clearly more to this, and I can't help you if you won't let me. If you want, we can go somewhere to discuss the issue in private.
[x] If she reacts negatively or refuses our offer:
-[x] To Rin: Akiko has informed me that Kato Setsuko is dead. Did you know about this? Why would she take you to Ishinomaki to heal a dead girl?
-[x] Relay to Mami, via telepathy what Akiko just told us. Thoughts?
-[x] To Akiko: One way or another your extortion of the University girls is going to stop. If we can't come to a peaceful agreement, then for any further payments you'll have to go through us. Please reconsider, I don't want to start that fight, but I will end it if you force my hand.
-[x] Start talking to her teammates. Rin and Sakura, mainly, and ask if them can relay the message to the other girls. Tell her what we've just heard. Do they really want to go with a plan to try and demand 30 seeds from a group that they know can't afford it and force us to side with the University group if they refuse, or would they be willing to work for peace with us?

No. of votes: 1
defenestrator

[x]Reassure Rin. This isn't her fault.
[x]To Rin and Sakura: Is she okay?
[x]Telepathy to Akiko:
-[x]Do you actually believe that, Akiko? Kato Setsuko is dead. Yet you're trying to heal her. Grief seeds bring safety and security. Yet they've brought you a war. STOP LYING TO YOURSELF. There are other ways. Allies you don't have to pay. Soul gems and grief seeds emptied of corruption, without sacrificing your reserves. Freedom to pursue your real goals, without being attacked or sneaking around.
-[x]Point out that she knows a teleporter and we're willing to accommodate visits any time.
-[x]I'm certain I can even help you with what you were trying to do in Ishinomaki, if you'll let me.
-[x]All I'm asking right now is that you stop hounding the University Group.
-[x]The enemy of the magical girl isn't each other. It isn't the witch. Our enemy is the system. I want to change that, but I need you to work with me. Please.
[x]If we're met with stonewall or refusal:
-[x]To Akiko: One way or another your extortion of the University girls is going to stop. If we can't come to a peaceful agreement, then for any further payments you'll have to go through us. Please reconsider, I don't want to start that fight, but I will end it if you force my hand.
-[x]Start talking to her teammates, Rin and Sakura and relayed to the other girls if possible. Explain what we've just heard, with a focus on all the contradictions. Do they really want to try and demand 30 seeds from a group that they know can't afford it and force us to side with the University group if they refuse? Or would they be willing to work for peace with us?
No. of votes: 3
SynchronizedWritersBlock, Krecart, LunaticRabbit
 
[x]Reassure Rin. This isn't her fault.
[x]To Rin and Sakura: Is she okay?
[x]Telepathy to Akiko:
-[x]Do you actually believe that, Akiko? Kato Setsuko is dead. Yet you're trying to heal her. Grief seeds bring safety and security. Yet they've brought you a war. STOP LYING TO YOURSELF. There are other ways. Allies you don't have to pay. Soul gems and grief seeds emptied of corruption, without sacrificing your reserves. Freedom to pursue your real goals, without being attacked or sneaking around.
-[x]Point out that she knows a teleporter and we're willing to accommodate visits any time.
-[x]I'm certain I can even help you with what you were trying to do in Ishinomaki, if you'll let me.
-[x]All I'm asking right now is that you stop hounding the University Group.
-[x]The enemy of the magical girl isn't each other. It isn't the witch. Our enemy is the system. I want to change that, but I need you to work with me. Please.
[x]If we're met with stonewall or refusal:
-[x]To Akiko: One way or another your extortion of the University girls is going to stop. If we can't come to a peaceful agreement, then for any further "payments" you'll have to go through us. Please reconsider, I don't want to start that fight, but I will end it if you force my hand.
-[x]Start talking to her teammates, Rin and Sakura and relayed to the other girls if possible. Explain what we've just heard, with a focus on all the contradictions. Do they really want to try and demand 30 seeds from a group that they know can't afford it and force us to side with the University group if they refuse? Or would they be willing to work for peace with us?
 
At the risk of derailing ongoing discussion, I'd like to bring up something unrelated.

Let's say we don't get anywhere, we can't convince all of Sendai (Rin at most), and this does go to use of force.

What happens? Tactically speaking?
Akiko grabs Sakura. She teleports to the Fukushima group. She plays cautiously from there, and waits to call in more allies. Since she's outside our range, we can't prevent her from leaving the scene. I'll note that Sendai planned to leave with just the four of them anyway before we called a negotiation.

We're then stuck playing Catch The Teleporter in her home city. Akiko can stall a fight indefinitely.

Even if Rin is still a hostage, I don't see an attempt to rescue her by teleportation, not immediately. Not unless we really pressure Sakura and she makes an ill-advised solo attempt. So far we deliberately avoided doing that.

We have good odds in actual combat. No guarantee to win, but she doesn't know our trump yet. But the odds of us getting into actual combat are pretty slim. So while we aren't going to lose, we can't press for a win either.


What can we actually use to stop Catch The Teleporter, other than calling up Homura?
 
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At the risk of derailing ongoing discussion, I'd like to bring up something unrelated.

Let's say we don't get anywhere, we can't convince all of Sendai (Rin at most), and this does go to use of force.

What happens? Tactically speaking?
Akiko grabs Sakura. She teleports to the Fukushima group. She plays cautiously from there, and waits to call in more allies. Since she's outside our range, we can't prevent her from leaving the scene. I'll note that Sendai planned to leave with just the four of them anyway before we called a negotiation.

We're then stuck playing Catch The Teleporter in her home city. Akiko can stall a fight indefinitely.

Even if Rin is still a hostage, I don't see an attempt to rescue her by teleportation, not immediately. Not unless we really pressure Sakura and she makes an ill-advised solo attempt. So far we deliberately avoided doing that.

We have good odds in actual combat. No guarantee to win, but she doesn't know our trump yet. But the odds of us getting into actual combat are pretty slim. So while we aren't going to lose, we can't press for a win either.


What can we actually use to stop Catch The Teleporter, other than calling up Homura?

First we can detect them sooner then they can us. Second, we have Oriko so she can't really hide. Third Sakura is limited to how many seeds she has on hand. Fourth, if Akiko does call help we can either defeat them or subvert them. Five, if Sabrina does manage to get in range in any capacity, she can end a fight instantly.

Honestly I'm not too worried.
 
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1. Look into the future to find out where she plans to sleep, and place a trap?
2. Forget about it? It would probably be too much to bother with.
3. Go home. Tell Homura she can Shoot on Sight.

I'd bet that at least one amongst her allies can deal with Sabrina, though; amongst the 7 in Mitakihara, two can partially or fully mess with her after all.
Yeah, but that's Homura's Timestop (unprecedented) and Oriko's Precognition (also unprecedented). There's nobody with a standard power set that can mess with us too much. Mami probably could too, but she fucking beat Homura with ribbons and girls with as much experience and skill as her are rare.
 
Based on that. If there are two girls amongst smaller group that can ruin Sabrina's day, then it seems more likely than not that there is at least one amongst the larger group who can do that likewise.

Yeah, but that's Homura's Timestop (unprecedented) and Oriko's Precognition (also unprecedented). There's nobody with a standard power set that can mess with us too much. Mami probably could too, but she fucking beat Homura with ribbons and girls with as much experience and skill as her are rare.
Meguca are bunch of special snowflakes, really. Though I was referring to Kirika, not Oriko, so it is 3/7.

Well, 4/8 if you include Madoka and Sayaka. That...isn't really unprecedented, and puts Sabrina as somewhat above average meguca.
 
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Based on that. If there are two girls amongst smaller group that can ruin Sabrina's day, then it seems more likely than not that there is at least one amongst the larger group who can do that likewise.
Mitakihara OP pls nerf. It's not a good representation of the wider meguca population by any stretch of the imagination.
 
Except that's not really our sample group. If you consider all the girls in canon and in side materials, girls like Oriko and Homura are much rarer. Add in the other OCs we've seen in this quest and it gets even smaller.
 
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Yeah Mitakihara has some truly exceptional girls... with the exception of Sayaka. :V

Honestly, if there was someone that hax among Sendai's assets, you'd think Akiko would deploy her against Ishinomaki by now. But they keep invading and they keep consistently getting stomped.
 
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