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I'm not going to weigh in on the logic of either side's arguments, but I will ask that everyone read over what they write and really consider if the words they used are polite and won't be inflammatory intentionally or not. You cant account for people's tolerances perfectly but at least try to say your piece without saying things that can be easily construed as overly dismissive of the other side of the argument, thank you.

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[X] Plan Books and Runesmiths Do Not Mix
I would vote for a 2 maximum plan but I don't think they'll get traction
 
This assumes of course that something like that will ever be possible at such a grand scale.
It is. Sharing memories is the next part of Mind of Things it looks like, what comes after that no one but Soul knows for sure. I would rather stay the course with writing things down that Runesmiths currently have, go through Mind of Things and see the results. If it is not possible, then I'd accept putting stuff down in what record keeping methods we have developed in the meantime. If it is possible, open up the Library when we achieve the means.
 
It doesn't have to be 1:1 to holocrons exactly. Even MRune of Kingship and a variation of the runes we have based off item ownership and control could be enough. Prospective student touches rune and "reads" them, it gives a yes/no answer on if they're worthy for the knowledge and opens up if yes. No active intelligence.
And it reads them based on what exactly?

What does it mean to be worthy?

What you're asking for here has to be so interactive, based on the prospective student and the knowledge that it holds, that I don't think we have any example of a rune that can be so adaptive or flexible.

The only way I can think of that might get it done is to bind a construct into it in some manner. Which is all kinds of iffy.
 
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Thanks again! Though so many people already voted on some of them, can't really take them off. I think the missing ones can be interpreted as picking the lowest level. I appreciate your work nonetheless! 🙂
Edit: I will look through the copies but it will take a bit of time.
Eh, I'm about halfway through the list now, which with my methodology is closer to 70% through. Might as well finish it. People may will still refer to the list if they come on later than these start of vote spree pages.
 
[X] Not Backing Down
[X]Plan: Even Talking Runesmiths, Cant use mine and my heirs forge.

[X] Plan: The Bird Is The Word
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[X]Plan Max Benefits
Might as well go all out while the Ancestors are out and about to give it at least the imprimatur of their silence. 'Thungi does not disapprove' is basically how both Radicals and Conservatives got their start. If we want to start our own faction (which let's be honest this is what the whole academy thing is) we need to be on the same footing
 
For what it's worth re. books, I'm absolutely not worried at all about the information security of whatever library we'd make. We can control that, and our security is going to be sublime.

What actually concerns me is if writing things down starts to become more normalised, we can't ensure the infosec of everyone else that decides to emulate the practice, which vastly increases the number of opportunities for the unscrupulous to get their hands on things that they shouldn't.

This issue solves itself if the information storage medium has DRM inherently built in, hence why I was so bullish about the holocron idea (which I think is completely possible via the Mind of Things tree).
 
It is. Sharing memories is the next part of Mind of Things it looks like, what comes after that no one but Soul knows for sure. I would rather stay the course with writing things down that Runesmiths currently have, go through Mind of Things and see the results. If it is not possible, then I'd accept putting stuff down in what record keeping methods we have developed in the meantime. If it is possible, open up the Library when we achieve the means.
But what you're asking isn't sharing memories.

You're asking for a rune that can judge both the student and the knowledge stored within it/the object it is on.

Why not just simply engrave every book with a rune of locking and make custom keys with the rune of unlocking that can be awarded to students when they they prove themselves worthy?
 
Is there an plan for normalizing "Sharing of runelore" and "writing down runelore"?
I didn't follow the plan creation, and it's frankly a mess of options that are mostly the same.
 
[X] Plan The Gift Giver's Workshop, Wonder of The Far North
Close enough to what I want

I don't think I saw a plan identical to this so...
[X] Plan A Good First Step
-[X] Food:
--[X] Extravagant: +3 actions. +5 Size. +3 Learning. +2 Communication. You'll provide a wide variety of fine ales and food, though that will necessitate the hiring of a handful of Chefs as well. Multiple Halls are dedicated to serving as dining spaces, with separate eating areas for smaller gatherings as well.
-[X] Lodgings:
--[X] Extravagant: +4 actions, +7 Size, +2 Learning and Communication. Rooms big enough to be considered rather well off, with enough of them to comfortably fit the entire population of the town and then some. Such a scale would doubtlessly need grand galleries with enough levels that only the mightiest Clan Halls are larger in scope. A Karak in miniature. Plenty of room and plenty of rooms for people to simply loiter around and chat.
-[X] Shopping:
--[X] Extravagant: +3 actions, +6 Size, +3 Learning and Communication, Requires Exceptional Lodgings at minimum. Using Jorri's numerous contacts and speaking with the inhabitants in Khazid Okraz you could probably set up a reagent market to provide a wide array of more basic reagents within the Workshop. It would be of no benefit to you, but it would mean those learning under you need not go far to gather the reagents they need. Which means they spend more time learning and less time futzing about.
-[X] Defenses:
--[X] Marvellous: +5 actions, +12 Size, Requires Extravagant Lodgings at minimum, Unlocks Capstone Project write-in vote, +1 Conservative and Radical Runesmith Standing. Insane? Maybe to some. Secure? Beyond question. Almost enough to make you think more can't be done, almost. As before, but even Grander. Great Artillery pieces capable of shooting wyverns from the sky, of launching boulders that can paste entire bands of enemy warriors. Runic defenses second only to the Karak itself. You'll create something so impressive that by virtue of its strength Gloin will most likely make it the lynchpin of the Karak's outer defenses. If staffing the lesser option was difficult this would be near impossible with just your Hearth Guard, you will most certainly need extra bodies to man this structure to full readiness, around say a middling-sized Clan's worth of warriors. Then to top it all off, you plan to create a defensive work so mighty, so grand, that only a southern hold could hope to match it! You would not beggar yourself, but you would feel the cost of such an undertaking.
-[X] Aesthetics: The finishing touch to the whole shebang. More than the decor, it is the theme, the feel, the very image of your new Workshop.
--[X] Extravagant: +5 actions, ???, +1 Conservative and Radical Runesmith Standing. This. Now this is something you want to be known across more than just the Far North. A true Wonder of the realms, and an edifice of such fine Craftsmanship that even the most hidebound Conservative to the most revolutionary Radical can appreciate the efforts put into the structure, if not the purpose. Kraka Drakk will certainly appreciate the association.
-[X] Classes: The Entire purpose of this is to make a place to teach these youngsters. What, or perhaps who else would you allow?
--[X] Let your Fellow Runelords disseminate Runes or related knowledge from here if they wish: 1/2 MAXIMUM, +3 Learning and Communication. Your fellow Runelords should be given the same offer, after all, they were chosen by the House and for all your quarrelling none of you would let an unworthy Dwarf join the ranks of the Runelords.
-[X] Forum: Having Runesmiths around the compound and each other will get them talking. It's simply a matter of what you want to do about it.
--[X] Make it part of the plan: 1 MAXIMUM +5 Learning, +15 Communication, Requires Exceptional Lodgings at minimum, +2 Radical Runesmith Standing, +1 Conservative Runesmith Standing. Noticeable increase to the creation of new Runes in Kraka Drakk, and half that for the Region. WILL BEGIN NORMALIZING GREATER DIPLOMACY AND CLOSER TIES BETWEEN RUNESMITHS IN THE REGION. This shall be a place for Runesmiths and their ideas to be forged and purified by the rigours of honest academic and sometimes physical debate. Halls from which they make spectacle and debate with each other should they wish. Better than them ruining the bars in town at the very least.
-[X] Business: Should the Workshop allow for Runesmiths to pursue the mundane realities of business, finding buyers, suppliers and patrons, within its walls?
--[X Disallow it: +1 Conservative Runesmith Standing. If you want to go about finding commissions you can do that on your own time and somewhere that's not here.
-[X Forging: You are RuneSMITHS after all, and a Smith is nothing without a forge.
--[X] Use unused Forge Space: 1/3 MAXIMUM, Roughly increases the base quality of metal goods in Kraka Drakk by half. When you aren't turning ignorant fools into slightly less ignorant fools, the forges you use to do so lie cold and empty. It feels like a waste to have such a well-made forge simply sitting there, never mind the cost of the coal to get it started up again! You abhor such efficiency! Let them be used if an enterprising smith has the tools and material available so that they aren't left to waste.
-[X] Procurement:
--[X] …and Discounts: 1/2 MAXIMUM, +2 Learning +5 Communication, Requires Exceptional Shopping at minimum. Roughly doubles the quality of Runecraft across Kraka Drakk and half that for the Region. Get Jorri and perhaps Gloin on the case, and you're certain that you can find a way to offset the cost of reagents for prospective students and regular tournament winners. What better way to cultivate talent? They can certainly pay off the debt to the Karak.
-[X] Library:
--[X] Limited: 1/3 MAXIMUM, +3 Learning. Tomes about some reagents and other information a Runesmith may find useful, but nothing truly groundbreaking.

I guess I will see if there are any other active plans I want to consider, will have another look at the tally after work tomorrow to see what the options are

[X] Plan Books and Runesmiths Do Not Mix
I would vote for a 2 maximum plan but I don't think they'll get traction
Approval voting allows you to vote for what you want as well as compromises that you think can actually win...
 
[X] Plan A Seed for Something Magnificent
[X] Plan: Durin's Dream
[X] Plan The Gift Giver's Workshop, Wonder of The Far North
[X] Plan: Maximum 2.83 = 2
 
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[X] Plan: Durin's Dream

While I like the point Xeph made about books, I also really want the boost to learning rate from getting over 25 learning and of the leading plans this one seems like the best way to do it.
 
[X] Plan: Academy City
[X] Plan Build a third Karak, 3.88 maximum
[X] Plan Max Benefits
[X] Plan Snorri's Wondrous Workshop
[X] Plan: The Bird Is The Word
 
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[X] Plan: Durin's Dream
-[X] Food:
--[X] Extravagant
-[X] Lodgings:
--[X] Extravagant
-[X] Shopping:
--[X] Extravagant
-[X] Defenses:
--[X] Marvellous
-[X] Aesthetics:
--[X] Extravagant
-[X] Classes:
--[X] Let Master Runesmiths disseminate Runes or related knowledge from here if they wish
-[X] Forum:
--[X] Make it part of the plan
-[X] Library:
--[X] Extensive and Rare

[X] Plan: The bird is the word
[X] Plan Snorri's consternation
 
For what it's worth re. books, I'm absolutely not worried at all about the information security of whatever library we'd make. We can control that, and our security is going to be sublime.

What actually concerns me is if writing things down starts to become more normalised, we can't ensure the infosec of everyone else that decides to emulate the practice, which vastly increases the number of opportunities for the unscrupulous to get their hands on things that they shouldn't.

This issue solves itself if the information storage medium has DRM inherently built in, hence why I was so bullish about the holocron idea (which I think is completely possible via the Mind of Things tree).
And to support this idea, I'm going to point at the update itself where it says its in the region.

- [ ] Extensive and Rare: 1 MAXIMUM, +10 Learning, +5 Communication, -2 Conservative Runesmith Standing, -1 Radical Runesmith Standing. WILL BEGIN NORMALIZING THE WRITING DOWN OF CERTAIN KNOWLEDGE IN THE REGION. Books on every reagent you know of, some even written by your own hand. Wisdom and lessons learned from multiple sources about enemy magic, and more. No Runelore, and no Elven texts, but it would certainly help the common Runesmith get up to snuff.
Ornsmotek, Ravnsvake, Dorden, those places and the other holds I'm probably forgetting I agree with Xeph face this issue. Grom, I'm much less worried about because of their personal experiences.
 
Hey, so, what's the reason that "Plan Books and Runesmiths Do Not Mix" doesn't have procurement at Max? It has the space.
People don't want to exceed low three maximums due to concerns about Snorri's stress levels over the next few decades he'd spend worrying about this. As we expand the academy he'll be under the same amount of stress total of course but there's been much arguing that we should spread it out over like a thousand years rather than doing it all at once.
 
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