He did not study Dhar, he studied Chaos, probably from the religious end of it, he also somehow managed to wield two winds and not go mad, the lucky bastard.
*not at all serious grumble*
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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He did not study Dhar, he studied Chaos, probably from the religious end of it, he also somehow managed to wield two winds and not go mad, the lucky bastard.
*not at all serious grumble*
But the hatred and mistrust of a thousand years of war were impossible to ignore, and many did not want to hear him, especially the embittered cults. However, where they damned Magnus, their Gods supported him. In Middenheim, the Cult of Ulric ridiculed the preacher; so Magnus walked through the Eternal Flame, proving the War God's favour. In Altdorf, the Grand Theogonist claimed he was a heretic. But when the Templars of Sigmar tied him to a stake for burning, the flames would not catch, even when fuelled with oils. When Magnus arrived in Talabheim, the Taalites ordered him to leave. In response, the wolves of the Taalgrunhaar forest howled louder than thunder, and a Great Stag marked with a white hammer appeared in Taal's temple. When Magnus spoke in Marienburg, and the Manannites jeered at his foreign war, the sea came alive, and it is said Triton himself swam between the islands. Wherever he went, Magnus unflaggingly spoke of war, of the coming threat, of the necessity of relieving Kislev before it was too late. And the Gods responded.
When that guy says Wizards are fine, it sticks pretty damn hard. There's a reason it took a century and as monumental a fuck-up as the Night of a Thousand Arcane Duels for those opposed to magic to even try to stuff the genie back in the bottle.
Interestingly, in the canonical timeline Karl Franz tried to make the Supreme Patriarch an Elector.
When that guy says Wizards are fine, it sticks pretty damn hard. There's a reason it took a century and as monumental a fuck-up as the Night of a Thousand Arcane Duels for those opposed to magic to even try to stuff the genie back in the bottle.
Interestingly, in the canonical timeline Karl Franz tried to make the Supreme Patriarch an Elector.
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Oh, my apologies, I only know about him secondhand.
Still, chaos counts as dark magic according to the Articles ( the Forbidden Lores of the Daemonic Powers ) , and he'd had to study the actual magical component extensively in order to create a defense against corruption, as seen by the wall Mathilde keeps bashing her head against, and that while having studied some dark magic (not according to her beliefs, sure, but according to most).
Doomed Wombat
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IIRC he also does a thing aimed at legalising mutants, realising that they're just being dicks and driving most of them into criminality at best, chaos/other things at worst. Big back lash obviously, but he sticks to his guns.
He's a busy bee social reformer Franz and one of the things I do like compared to 40K is that WHF is a setting where positive social change is possible.
Interesting but certainly not surprising.
Karl Franz the elector count of Reikland wants the Altdorf based colleges of magic to have a vote in electing the Emperor? I won't say it isn't a good idea objectively because the colleges at that point are a pillar of the empire enough they probably should have a seat. Hell they are more an actually loyal Empire organization then most of the other electors! But you can't deny that even if they have significant presence elsewhere in the Empire the heart and soul of their organization is in the city he and his descendent are the princes of. Something that would give him and his dynasty a good deal of influence over a vote no matter how much power the collages do have.
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Mopman43
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Any idea where you might have read that?
Mopman43
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End Times delenda est.
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Honestly, this has been one of the reasons I've started to get interested in WHF. Shit's still screwed and dark and Chaos is probably inevitable at some point, but it also feels like if Evil wasn't Slated to win so that GW could sell more Miniatures, things could get better. Wouldn't be confirmed, it'd be hard as hell, and you might try and fail anyways. But there'd be a reason to try.
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Karl's father and previous Emperor (current ITL) Luitpold also made an attempt at creating a democratically elected parliament, like a Fantasy House of Commons. It didn't get enough votes from the Elector Counts to pass into law, obviously, but the attempt was made.
And as with most of the problems in 40k, it boils down to the setting being too colossally massive (the size of the entire galaxy, even) for positive social changes to have widespread effects, even as individual planets and systems can become wonderful places to live in.
Mopman43
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That was actually Luitpold's father, KF's grandfather, Emperor Mattheus II.
Edit: Though I'm not sure the plan was for it to be democratically elected, I didn't see that mentioned.
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While I'm one of the people that try to get people to look past the end times when it comes to AoS, as it's actually pretty good now in terms of lore.
and that was very much, 'I know your going to stab me in the back later, but we need you right now.'
This is not a really relevant conversation: there is no Karl in this quest, let along end times.
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Sorry no. I'm looking for it cause it annoys me now that I can't.
I think it was in one of the books that came out around the same time as the Genevieve books (might actually be a Genevieve book now that I think about it)
So very much 'In flux' lore times.
Mopman43
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Possibly 1st edition RP?
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I'm just glad someone agrees that it did happen and I didn't hallucinate it!
And yeah very likely in flux lore wise, but the kinda thing I think a good emperor and one interested in social reform might try.
I think it's the type of thing a kind emperor would do.
I'm not as sure about a good emperor: this is a setting that actually does have to deal with evil cults were the only outward clue is mutations.
it's just that natural physical problems can get miss understand.
but even in setting people are beginning to understand that a clubbed foot or a hunchback is not a sign of evil... outside of some places.
The trouble is there is no clear demarcation. I mean sure the third eye and shoulder tentacles are chaos, but the hunched back can be one as well and the only way to know for sure (or at least with a decent degree of certainty) is to have mage sight. I think the major problem is much more subtle than that though.
See the humans of what would become the Empire learned the lesson of 'mutation bad' first from experience and then much more firmly from the dwarfs, but dwarfs and humans are not the same when it comes to Chaos. It takes a lot to make a dwarf mutate, as in they are probably mad and/or sold their soul to the dark gods. Humans on the other hand mutate at the drop of a hat , but just because you have a mutation does not mean you have to be praising Tzeench, both lore books and the structure of the RPG when it comes to mutations makes that clear.
There are plenty of genuine chaos-made mutants who would probably stay loyal to the Empire... if only they were not driven into slums or the wilds.
Shallyans are both infamously sympathetic toward mutants and nearly universally popular too, aren't they?
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I don't know if they're (in)famous for it, but Shallyans do have a literal religious obligation to help anyone in need so long as they're not a Nurglite.
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[X] Gotri, the K8P Air Corps, and the Cult of Morgrim
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[X] Gotri, the K8P Air Corps, and the Cult of Morgrim
[X] Panoramia, Hluodwica, and the Halflings
[X] Francesco, Soizic, and the Undumgi
Godwinson
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Ah, so one of the valleys in Karak Eight Peaks is the legendary Spiders Gorge?
EDIT: Okay, I see @Valarauko rated this post Insightful and I feel I must clarify -- not that one. Or that one. Or that one.
DOUBLE EDIT: ...basically, what I'm saying is that the statistic that every fantasy setting has a Spiders Gorge is misleading. Tolkein's Legendarium, which is filled with Spiders Gorges, is an outlier and should not be counted.
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I believe all the gorges in Karak Eight Peaks are underground, but otherwise yes. 