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DoofQuest- a Disney Villains Victorious CK2-Style Quest

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[X] Attempt to arrest LOVEMUFFIN

When a member of the Family utterly fucks up and severely injures the prospects of that Family, the previous good service of that member wont save them.

And the Tri-State is our Family. They have attacked it.

Don Doof is not happy.
 
I'm gonna throw in my two cents.

Let us consider the case of Lovemuffin. Their skills suck, and their best talent is subpar compared to many others in our employ. But they have this one ability that makes their relatively low stats and unlikable personality tolerable. They've done good for us in the past, only failing once or twice. Hell, one might say they'd be fond of them, a reminder of the good ol' days. One might even say that with LM, we hold an advantage over all our rivals in action economy.

With all that said, if a bunch of my employees were to waste most of the company's remaining money on buying all the pies, eggs and toilet paper they could get their hands on to toss at what's essentially my property in the city, no doubt tanking my company's reputation with the public and government...and then have the gall to demand that they be given the same amount of money to do it all over again? I would absolutely have them arrested on the spot. There's mad science, and then there's being moronic.

As grown adults under employ, they have the responsibility to make sure that whatever they do doesn't reflect badly on their boss. But being the petty egomaniacs that they are, they don't give a damn about that. They just want to do cool shit, and to hell with the collateral damage. While they may have succeeded with what they've done most of the time, they've been frequently complaining about doing the 'boring stuff', racking up that negative loyalty. Which at some point does lead to active betrayal. And they don't play nice with our other valued employees as well. Janus hates them, Technor gave up on them. Monogram is already their nemesis, and I'm sure Agent [REDACTED] dislikes them on principle. We also have more than a few heroically-inclined people as Heroes, who will not be pleased to see them mucking about. Or those who just hate idiots being allowed to be idiots.

And again, reputation loss is imminent. While public PR is easier to renew (but does (in my opinion) create a narrative of Doofenshmirtz being unreliable, this isn't a video game after all, people remember), government PR is hard to gain without reaching out to them (an action that some of you do not like). The other Kings keep afloat by not doing anything too flamboyant with their villainy to risk the government's full attention. Lovemuffin is not, nor will ever be, subtle. What do you think will happen when the government decides they can't ignore us any longer, I wonder? Playing the villain is fine. Getting attacked by the government is not. This is not baseline P&F. We will have to answer if public petty villainy, approved by us, goes too far.

The narrative being built thus far in DoofQuest is that the citizens generally don't mind being under Doof's 'rule'. He's done good for them so far. He's also seen by most as a good boss, or at least a useful boss. Doof himself is still a petty, delusional man, but is notably compassionate with the people he works with. He tries to accommodate to their needs. He helps them with major issues. Even if they dislike him, he tries to fix that by giving them stuff they'd enjoy. And it has worked pretty well for him...until now. So this is going to test him: Will Doof learn to draw a line in the sand, or will he stick to enabling LM at the cost of greatly upsetting his former enemy. Either way, he's going to learn that sometimes you can't appease everyone.

But back to the choice being made...Lovemuffin comes with an extra action every turn, a good track record, petty villainy for our brand and nostalgia. In return, they're going to cost us a lot of money each turn (paying for damages), sharp decreases in PR with both public and government (not to mention what it'll do with our reputation with other Kings, they're doing Shadowrun after all), severe loyalty malus in Monogram (as well as loss in OWCA progress), and probably loyalty maluses in other heroes for enabling them to wreck havoc on the city every two months (especially with Janus).

The cons definitely outweigh the pros for me here. Sometimes you just gotta bring closure to a part of your life in order to move on for the better.
 
[X] Attempt to arrest LOVEMUFFIN

If I thought we could continue to get use out of them, I think it might be worth tolerating their downsides; I'd at least consider it. Even a trait like goblin fox would be enough to work with. But as is they just aren't worth the cost of keeping them on board, both because they have no cieling on what it costs to keep them active and are actively sabotaging their own utility.
 
Adhoc vote count started by TheCount on Mar 18, 2021 at 2:24 PM, finished with 88 posts and 53 votes.
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....damn
and we could have used the action to fire them later, instead of kicking them after doing what we told them to do...

I will keep my rigth to bring this up when LM comes back and kicks our butts.
because, lets be honest, they know EVERYTHING about what we did and what we can, and have access to everything thats ours.

and worst of all, if they become our NEMESIS, they will evolve.
 
Adhoc vote count started by Stratagemini on Mar 18, 2021 at 2:32 PM, finished with 258 posts and 55 votes.
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So we're at 45 to 10. I think we have a pretty broad consensus that Lovemuffin needs to go.
 
TheCount said:
Adhoc vote count started by TheCount on Mar 18, 2021 at 2:24 PM, finished with 88 posts and 53 votes.
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....damn
and we could have used the action to fire them later, instead of kicking them after doing what we told them to do...
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You mean get a loyalty malus on Monogram and lose OWCA progress for no reason? Pull the other one.
 
Forget-Me-Not-inator (Good): With all the bad PR you've been getting recently from all sides (thanks in no small part to LOVEMUFFIN's chaos and Doom blowing it out of proportion), you've realized you desperately need damage control. So, you've invented this nifty device.

Once fired, everyone in the United States (excluding Hawaii and Alaska) will constantly be somehow reminded of all the good things you've done for the past few years. All Diplomacy action DCs are reduced by 10, public opinion receives a moderate increase, and Doom receives a -10 to all Diplomacy rolls next turn.

Forget-Me-Not-inator (Bad): With all the bad PR you've been getting recently from all sides (thanks in no small part to LOVEMUFFIN's chaos and Doom blowing it out of proportion), you've realized you desperately need damage control. So, you've invented this nifty device. Unfortunately, it appears you crossed a wire wrong.

Once fired, everyone in the United States (excluding Hawaii and Alaska) will constantly be somehow reminded of all the screw-ups you've done for the past few years. All Diplomacy action DCs are increased by 10, public opinion receives a moderate decrease, and Doom receives a +10 to all Diplomacy rolls next turn.
 
TheCount said:
I will keep my rigth to bring this up when LM comes back and kicks our butts.
because, lets be honest, they know EVERYTHING about what we did and what we can, and have access to everything thats ours.

and worst of all, if they become our NEMESIS, they will evolve.
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There's no rational basis for believing any of that will happen.

First off, LOVEMUFFIN didn't evolve when they had their prior nemeses from OWCA. and Now OWCA is better and more effective.

Second, here's a list of people with Comparable stats to LOVEMUFFIN in each category, OWCA's stats, and our best person in each category.

Martial
L.O.V.E.M.U.F.F.I.N. 3

Comparable?
Phineas and Ferb 4

OWCA
Major Monogram 17 (+10 to rolls to combat, infiltrate, or otherwise deal with villains with DC of 100 or lower)

Best?
Genghis Khan 55 (-30 To tech)
Even on Tech-based Martial Gengis Khan is over 8x better!

Diplomacy
L.O.V.E.M.U.F.F.I.N. 2

Comparable?
Queen Lizzie 3 (-5 on Quests versus people who don't like sarcasm)

OWCA
Major Monogram 9

Best?
TECHNOR 33 (-10 Power issue, can be overclocked)
Even with his power issue TECHNOR is over 11x Better!

Stewardship
L.O.V.E.M.U.F.F.I.N. 8

Comparable?
Juniper 8 (Kitsune is also an 8)

OWCA
Major Monogram 14 (+10 to rolls to combat, infiltrate, or otherwise deal with villains with DC of 100 or lower)

Best?
Phineas and Ferb 38
Phineas and Ferb are over 4x better than Lovemuffin, in the stat we used them most for. Roddy Blair (at 29) is still 3x Better and Generally available.

Intrigue
L.O.V.E.M.U.F.F.I.N. 3

Comparable?
Hego 3

OWCA
Major Monogram 18 (+10 to rolls to combat, infiltrate, or otherwise deal with villains with DC of 100 or lower)

Best?
Tobe 32 ([Redacted] at 40 is still on our roles but not available)
Tobe is over 10x Better at Intrigue than Lovemuffin! Tobe!


Learning
L.O.V.E.M.U.F.F.I.N. 14

Comparable?
Juniper 14

OWCA
Major Monogram 9

Best?
Ludivine von Drake 40 (17% chance to do a different action)
In Lovemuffin's best stat Juniper, a non-scientist has exactly the same bonus and a much better personality. Ludvine is over 2x Better.

Occult
L.O.V.E.M.U.F.F.I.N. Cannot do Occult Actions

Comparable?
Dennis also cannot do occult actions. They are as good in this category as Dennis.

OWCA
Major Monogram can probably do Close-up magic and some other circus tricks? But he definitely can't help with Occult.

Best?
Malifishmertz 38 (-20 to Occult Nationals)
Malphy has them beat by a Mile. He's a mad scientist, but doesn't require us to destroy our territory to please him!

In short, I don't think I'll be losing sleep over LOVEMUFFIN attacking us.
 
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Stratagemini said:
Learning
L.O.V.E.M.U.F.F.I.N. 14

Comparable?
Juniper 14

OWCA
Major Monogram 9

Best?
Ludivine von Drake 40 (17% chance to do a different action)
In Lovemuffin's best stat Juniper, a non-scientist has exactly the same bonus and a much better personality. Ludvine is over 2x Better.
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Heck, as I said before, Max - a Toon Teen that dropped outta school - is almost as Learned as them.

So yeah, they lost their use long ago.
 
bLuewErewOlf25 said:
And again, reputation loss is imminent. While public PR is easier to renew (but does (in my opinion) create a narrative of Doofenshmirtz being unreliable, this isn't a video game after all, people remember), government PR is hard to gain without reaching out to them (an action that some of you do not like). The other Kings keep afloat by not doing anything too flamboyant with their villainy to risk the government's full attention. Lovemuffin is not, nor will ever be, subtle. What do you think will happen when the government decides they can't ignore us any longer, I wonder? Playing the villain is fine. Getting attacked by the government is not. This is not baseline P&F. We will have to answer if public petty villainy, approved by us, goes too far.
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Except they can't. Government still trying to pass Doofania as part of America. And we would not surrender in one day. We have lasers and robots, we have dragon now. Weeks of fighting on the streets is political nightmare for any administration and with information on Hawaii coverup we have at least mutual destruction scenario. As long as we not attack Washington or publically kill people they would not move against us.

There is valid reasons for removing LOVEMUFFIN like freeing spot for another hero and not losing progress on OWCA but PR angle don't work for me, since PR is what preventing us from doing more active supervillainy like subsume crime or perform supervillainy. It's not like past Doof cared about his PR and I would still prefer if he did not bend over some social expectations. If public can't appreciate wonders of mad science then we need to make them see our way instead of conforming to normal. Include mad science in school education or something.
bLuewErewOlf25 said:
But back to the choice being made...Lovemuffin comes with an extra action every turn, a good track record, petty villainy for our brand and nostalgia. In return, they're going to cost us a lot of money each turn (paying for damages), sharp decreases in PR with both public and government (not to mention what it'll do with our reputation with other Kings, they're doing Shadowrun after all), severe loyalty malus in Monogram (as well as loss in OWCA progress), and probably loyalty maluses in other heroes for enabling them to wreck havoc on the city every two months (especially with Janus).
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Every turn is a stretch. They worked fine before and if council idea works they would work normally in future. If not then we still have couple of turns where their loyalty more than -50, and when it drops below we can send them on one way mission, close portal on them, leave them in cyberspace with their programs, send them to that creepy hotel in Los Angeles or something else. Argument that some other hero units will drop their loyalty because of Lovemuffin issue is two way street. I can argue that if our villainous units will see that we arrest our employees for completing our orders they would trust us less. Like how do you prove that Doof simply forgot what Mad Science is, instead of setting LOVEMUFFIN to take fall when they outlived their usefulness.
 
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    • Janus Reacts​

    "Ah, Janus. What is it that you are doing?"

    Janus immediately stopped in place mid-disco pose as he heard the definitely-not-Russian voice from behind him.

    "Ah, I was, that was nothing."

    "It did not look like nothing. What was it?"

    "I was dancing," Janus admitted sheepishly.

    Jumba looked at him skeptically.

    "I have seen dancing before, Janus," the alien scientist countered.

    "Look I just got carried away is all. Let's never speak of this again."

    "Certainly," Jumba agreed. "Only, why were you dancing? I didn't hear any music? Is music not required in order to dance?"

    "I was celebrating. it was a Victory dance," Janus admitted. "Our boss just fired those insipid, idiotic, braindead lagomorphs who cal lthemselves 'L.O.V.E.M.U.F.F.I.N.!"

    "This is cause for celebration? The doctor fired them for doing what he asked them to do..." Jumba paused. "Is very evil, but perhaps not good for job expectancy."

    "That's not what happened at all," Janus countered. "Doofenshmirtz just gave them enough rope to hang themselves with. He ordered them to do what they wanted to do, and then they took advantage of that leeway to try and overthrow him and destroy his assets. Firing them is the least he could have done. He should have fired them out a cannon!"

    "Is true that the Evil Doctor did not scold me for my dragon, I thought I had merely avoided his notice, though."

    Janus shook his head before doing a double-take. "That dragon was yours? Of course it was yours! It wasn't mine, and those doltish plodding Neanderthals couldn't do something correctly if their very lives depended on it! Good work, I hope I can take a look at your notes later?"

    Jumba nodded. "It is in... Russian? But I have included Diagrams."

    "That's fine. I should be able to puzzle it out from there, at least enough to inspire my own work, I think. As for your concerns, What else could Doofenshmirtz do? The big headed dullard's plan was to get the citizens of Danville to vote for him! In a democratic election! The titanic stupidity involved in the thought process leading to the lummox's treason was reason enough to fire the whole lot of them, even without the attempted treason in and of itself. It makes sense to have a few evil minions. It's alright to have traitorous minions. It's even alright to have a few stupid minions! But Evil, traitorous AND Stupid Minions? No. They had to be dealt with. Doofenshmirtz just needed an excuse and thus, his instructions."

    "Ah! I see!" Jumba nodded. "It was an evil scheme! This makes much more sense. You know I almost believed the doctor when he acted surprised that they had done what he asked them to? But if it was an act? yes, that makes sense," Jumba nodded again to confirm his own thoughts.

    As he moved to leave Janus' Lab he stopped.

    "Ah! I forgot what I was here for! Wanted to invite you to the celebration that the other employees are throwing for L.O.V.E.M.U.F.F.I.N.'s arrest! There will be actual music at party to dance to, The King, if I have say."

    Janus smiled back, "No thank you. I appreciate the sentiment, but I'm not a people person."

    Jumba nodded in understanding and closed the door on his way out.
     
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    I just realized that the Huntsclan are going to absolutely lose their shit about Jumba's dragon. I suspect that they may strike against us directly in relatively short order.
     
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