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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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[X] Plan Prepare for a Yorriing
[X] [Letters]: Knowledge about Avelorn's Magical Traditions

We have a good idea what the wardstones will deliver and know they will be useful, while the basket runes are still pretty vague on whether they will be of direct use to the armor comission.

Plus, it gives us a bit more flexibility to deal with possible Yorri-interrupt.
 
[X] Plan Prepare for a Yorriing

[X] Plan Correspondence Course
-[X] Render Aid: [Cost: 1 retainer action] Can be taken multiple times. Roll for usefulness, additional actions apply bonus to roll. Gain reputation and +2 bonus per action to Recruitment Dice. You formed these Hearthguard to combat all the ills that befall the dwarfen people. Send them out, render aid, earn goodwill and spread the word of your retainers and their stated mission beyond the borders of Kraka Drakk. 2 Retainer Actions.
--[X] Deep Surveying: Gain 30 Favour +? With Kraka Drakk.
--[X] Elderly Expertise: Gain 40 Favour +? With Stormpeak.
-[X] [Simple] Armoured Maidens: [Cost: 12 actions] Due end of Turn 40. Productivity like No Other will proc. Gain 70 Favour and 1 Standing with the Cult of Valaya. The Clergy of Valaya are making plans to expand the Valkyrie Guard in preparation for what they believe is a coming wave of colonization across the Karaz Ankor in the future. Given your history with the Cult, they've come to you wondering if you had the inclination to create armour for some of the future Valkyrie Guard that will no doubt come from the endeavour. The number is not the sum total of suits, but ones specially made for their eldest and most veteran Matrons. The foundational core of the future Valkyrie Guard in these future-Holds. The Cult will hold the suits in their vaults until such a time they are needed. 1 Actions.
-[X] Eltharin?: [Cost: 5 actions, 20 Favour from Kraka Ravnsvake] Journeyman of the Odd will proc. Gain chance at an Elf teacher and proficient understanding of Eltharin.
--[X] Looking for a Native: [Cost: 30 Favour from Kraka Ravnsvake] Gain Elf teacher and -fluent understanding of Eltharin. 3 Actions
-[X] ORDER: Merwyrm Corpse

[X] [Letters]: Knowledge about Avelorn
 
[X] Plan Correspondence Course
-[X] Render Aid: [Cost: 1 retainer action] Can be taken multiple times. Roll for usefulness, additional actions apply bonus to roll. Gain reputation and +2 bonus per action to Recruitment Dice. You formed these Hearthguard to combat all the ills that befall the dwarfen people. Send them out, render aid, earn goodwill and spread the word of your retainers and their stated mission beyond the borders of Kraka Drakk. 2 Retainer Actions.
--[X] Deep Surveying: Gain 30 Favour +? With Kraka Drakk.
--[X] Elderly Expertise: Gain 40 Favour +? With Stormpeak.
-[X] [Simple] Armoured Maidens: [Cost: 12 actions] Due end of Turn 40. Productivity like No Other will proc. Gain 70 Favour and 1 Standing with the Cult of Valaya. The Clergy of Valaya are making plans to expand the Valkyrie Guard in preparation for what they believe is a coming wave of colonization across the Karaz Ankor in the future. Given your history with the Cult, they've come to you wondering if you had the inclination to create armour for some of the future Valkyrie Guard that will no doubt come from the endeavour. The number is not the sum total of suits, but ones specially made for their eldest and most veteran Matrons. The foundational core of the future Valkyrie Guard in these future-Holds. The Cult will hold the suits in their vaults until such a time they are needed. 1 Actions.
-[X] Eltharin?: [Cost: 5 actions, 20 Favour from Kraka Ravnsvake] Journeyman of the Odd will proc. Gain chance at an Elf teacher and proficient understanding of Eltharin.
--[X] Looking for a Native: [Cost: 30 Favour from Kraka Ravnsvake] Gain Elf teacher and -fluent understanding of Eltharin. 3 Actions
-[X] ORDER: Merwyrm Corpse

[X] [Letters]: Knowledge about Avelorn
 
MrHobbit said:
You have forgotten details about the Underway action. It did not mention the creation of anything. Now it was certainly expected, but a fair amount of what Snorri did was help make the Runesmiths more efficient. Snorri also only made tools (and a Gronti).
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And Grave Wardens does not specify the creation of armor it specifies the creation of equipment so why is it any different than the Underway they're both vague about what exactly will be created and leave it quite open-ended and broad we have reasonable expectations that armor will be created as part of the Grave Wardens commission just as we did with pickaxes for the Underway action but that does not mean we will not also be creating other things for it.

Also the creation of a gronti, tools, and banners which if you go check the results for that action were created as well sure sound to me like we created more than one type of runic item for this action so there's no reason we can't do so for the Grave Wardens commission either which was the original point you brought up.
 
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Sir LagsAlot said:
And Grave Wardens does not specify the creation of armor it specifies the creation of equipment so why is it any different than the Underway. Also the creation of a gronti, tools, and banners which if you go check the results for that action were created as well sure sound to me like we created more than one type of runic item for this action so there's no reason we can't do so for the Grave Wardens commission either which was the original point you brought up.
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Because Grave Wardens specifies the creation of items where the Underway project was about digging the Underway. While we have proof that Snorri is going to be creating armor. And there is no proof that we are doing anything else.

The Cult of Gazul doesn't have a reason to go to Snorri for all of the gear. It would make more sense for them to spread the commissions over several Runelords. Like what the Cult of Valaya is presumably doing.

soulcake said:
Releasing it then, after you had created Gromril chainmail for the Cults of Valaya and Gazul as extant examples would have a greater overall impact among the House.
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MrHobbit said:
Because Grave Wardens specifies the creation of items where the Underway project was about digging the Underway. While we have proof that Snorri is going to be creating armor. And there is no proof that we are doing anything else.

The Cult of Gazul doesn't have a reason to go to Snorri for all of the gear. It would make more sense for them to spread the commissions over several Runelords. Like what the Cult of Valaya is presumably doing.
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Talismans are included in the definition of items Hobbit and the action is about equipping the cult of Gazul's eldest priests with equipment, not just armor plus that quote doesn't rule out anything it just says we'll be giving them gromril chainmail which we're also giving to the Cult of Valaya anyways ironically it might actually be more proof in the other direction as Grave Wardens should have a lesser action cost if we were only giving them that as armor because IIRC Gazul's priests aren't as heavily armored as Valaya's so this implies we're spending those extra actions creating something else for them as well.
 
Pretty torn honestly. While we may have no proof Wardstone research will be used on the Gazul commission, thematically it makes sense and would be useful, and I'd also like to have it done for the survivors of Dum. "But Igna can do it" is a valid argument for Grimvalla Quest, but I'm not here to watch other people do things :p Even if I accept we can't do literally everything I'm not going to not something because someone else might do it instead. On the other hand, a gift/challenge giftenge? from Valaya is a pretty big deal and I would like to have that done alongside the chainmail. For now I'm sticking with Yorri but still thinking about it.
 
Sir LagsAlot said:
Talismans are included in the definition of items Hobbit and the action is about equipping the cult of Gazul's eldest priests with equipment, not just armor plus that quote doesn't rule out anything it just says we'll be giving them gromril chainmail which we're also giving to the Cult of Valaya anyways ironically it might actually be more proof in the other direction as Grave Wardens should have a lesser action cost if we were only giving them that as armor because IIRC Gazul's priests aren't as heavily armored as Valaya's so this implies we're spending those extra actions creating something else for them as well.
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Yes, and the fact that Talismans are included in the definition does not mean we are making them.

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MrHobbit said:
I doubt that the Cult of Gazul would commission us to do all of it, rather than just one aspect. They probably have more senior members than the Valkyrie Guard because, well, 3:1 gender ratio and all. Also you can marry and still be apart of the Cult of Gazul, unlike the Valkyrie Guard. I cannot recall anyone ever commissioning us for more than one type of equipment at a time. It just makes more sense that they reached out to us over the armor and poked other Runesmiths for talismans/armor/weapons and the like.
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Could you at least pay attention to the things that I say? Your last argument is just bad.
 
[X] Plan Prepare for a Yorriing

Got to get them Valayan armours finished in time. Did we have any other commissions that we accepted and are running out of time?
 
MrHobbit said:
Could you at least pay attention to the things that I say? Your last argument is just bad.
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There shouldn't be any reason that the Cult of Gazul should be dispatching any more elders to perform the same role in the new holds that being of being the formation of a core of a new branch of each of their numbers in the new holds than the Cult of Valaya is really same job same number of Dwarfs needed to do it after all as even if they don't have the same duties they do have the same purpose.
 
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Sir LagsAlot said:
There shouldn't be any reason that the Cult of Gazul should be dispatching any more elders to perform the same role in the new holds that being of being the formation of a core of a new branch of each of their numbers in the new holds than the Cult of Valaya is really same job same number of Dwarfs needed to do it after all as even if they don't have the same duties they do have the same purpose.
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Of course there is. There are more Elders in the Cult of Gazul than there are Elders in the Valkyrie Guard.

Based on what we know, there is no gender restriction in the Cult of Gazul, we have even seen female Priestesses. While there is a gender restriction in the Valkyrie Guard. There is also a marriage restriction. There are going to be far more married or unmarried and male or female Elders in the Cult of Gazul then there are going to be unmarried female Elders in the Valkyrie Guard.

Again, because you don't seem to know, the ratio of men to women in the Karaz Ankor is 3:1.

Also, the Cult of Gazul encompasses the entire Cult of Gazul, while the Valkyrie Guard is a specific subset of the Cult of Valaya.
 
It basically either do the basket with the goal being meeting Grungni and Valaya down at the conclave again and getting something for completing both projects and I'd say that's pretty decent chance considering the chain is going to be the big flex of that event, or the wardstones and get something useful for the Gazul commission.

I prefer the basket off that alone tbh.
 
MrHobbit said:
Of course there is. There are more Elders in the Cult of Gazul than there are Elders in the Valkyrie Guard.

Based on what we know, there is no gender restriction in the Cult of Gazul, we have even seen female Priestesses. While there is a gender restriction in the Valkyrie Guard. There is also a marriage restriction. There are going to be far more married or unmarried and male or female Elders in the Cult of Gazul then there are going to be unmarried female Elders in the Valkyrie Guard.

Again, because you don't seem to know, the ratio of men to women in the Karaz Ankor is 3:1.

Also, the Cult of Gazul encompasses the entire Cult of Gazul, while the Valkyrie Guard is a specific subset of the Cult of Valaya.
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There's a very simple counter argument to this:

If there's so few Valkyrie Guard, why does the Gazul action take the same amount of actions as the Valaya one?

Logically, actions X is actions X, I think we can agree that there's a roughly equivalent "1 action is X effort" thing going on. So we'd be putting in the same effort to equip the Elders of the Cult. Ergo, 2 conclusions.

1: There's less effort going into the kit of the Gazulites, as there's more of them. This doesn't feel very Dawi to me, given the perfectionism running through the entire culture.

2: There's the same amount of effort per Eldar and a roughly equal number of Elders.
 
MrHobbit said:
Of course there is. There are more Elders in the Cult of Gazul than there are Elders in the Valkyrie Guard.

Based on what we know, there is no gender restriction in the Cult of Gazul, we have even seen female Priestesses. While there is a gender restriction in the Valkyrie Guard. There is also a marriage restriction. There are going to be far more married or unmarried and male or female Elders in the Cult of Gazul then there are going to be unmarried female Elders in the Valkyrie Guard.

Again, because you don't seem to know, the ratio of men to women in the Karaz Ankor is 3:1.

Also, the Cult of Gazul encompasses the entire Cult of Gazul, while the Valkyrie Guard is a specific subset of the Cult of Valaya.
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There may be more but they don't need more to do the same type of job which they have admitted in their own words they are doing so what it boils down to especially when we're going to be spending at least double the time armoring every Valkyrie Guard compared to a priest of the cult of Gazul is that we shouldn't need to spend as much time doing the Grave Warden commission as we would the Valkyrie Guard commission if you were right and we were only making armor for each of the Grave Wardens rather than equipment.
ArchAIngel said:
If there's so few Valkyrie Guard, why does the Gazul action take the same amount of actions as the Valaya one?
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Because we aren't armoring the Gazul guys to the same level they simply don't use the heavier armor that the Valkyrie Guard do IIRC so either we're armoring more or they're asking us to do their other equipment as well which is what I think the case is because it specifies equipment not armor in the action.
 
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