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I'm not going to weigh in on the logic of either side's arguments, but I will ask that everyone read over what they write and really consider if the words they used are polite and won't be inflammatory intentionally or not. You cant account for people's tolerances perfectly but at least try to say your piece without saying things that can be easily construed as overly dismissive of the other side of the argument, thank you.

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[X] Plan Don't Ignore the Grave
[x] [Talk]: Knowledge about the Everqueen
[x] [Talk]: Knowledge about House Dawnseeker
[x] [Talk]: Knowledge about Elf History
 
[X] [Talk]: Knowledge about Avelorn
[X] [Talk]: Knowledge about the Everqueen
[X] [Talk]: Knowledge about Elf History

Still couldn't decide the Turn Plan though...
 
I believe we'd have two actions free in that four turn span the commissions are done? It'd be good to get odd places done with those so any mat sci we get from it can be done concurrently with alchemy.
 
I believe we'd have two actions free in that four turn span the commissions are done? It'd be good to get odd places done with those so any mat sci we get from it can be done concurrently with alchemy.
It'd be during the Gazul period, and if the Conclave shows up during the time we're working on it it'd be only one spare, but yeah we would after turn 40. I think I'd prefer doing more work on Purification or the Fire Bird Feathers but that's my own bias towards doing a turn 43 with two actions into Odd Places and 3 into Eltharin speaking up.
 
remember, the main core of Snorri is usefullness he should be doing things that will be of the most use to the Dawi as a whole and his hold. Things maybe only he could do or do best.
 
[X] Plan Don't Ignore the Grave
[x] [Talk]: Knowledge about House Dawnseeker
[X] [Talk]: Knowledge about the Everqueen
[X] [Talk]: Knowledge about Elf History
 
[X] Plan Chain for Runesmiths
[X] [Talk]: Knowledge about Avelorn
[X] [Talk]: Knowledge about the Everqueen
[X] [Talk]: Knowledge about Elf History

You know who is better than Snorri at armour? Igna Metalheart.
Who also happens to realise the vital importance of the cult of Gazul
 
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[X] Plan Chain for Runesmiths
[X] [Talk]: Knowledge about the Everqueen
[X] [Talk]: Knowledge about House Dawnseeker
[X] [Talk]: Knowledge about Elf History
 
Hmm, looking at Standing, we might want to see if we can think up something Kraka Dorden might want, if Gromril Chain's not as impactful as we think. They're at 9 and that could be very good as they're an Engineering Nerd Hold. Krum is at 9 as well, but I'm not too sure what they could get.

Vlag and Ungor are at 4 and 6 respectively, so we could prod them for more Standing bonuses instantly if we get a Request.

I am also... slightly shocked Igna's not at 10 after our little scene with her home hold, but I suppose she was too busy going nuts to see us blop a Prophet. Mayhaps when her new home is done?
 
[X] Plan Chain for Runesmiths
[x] [Talk]: Knowledge about the Everqueen
[x] [Talk]: Knowledge about House Dawnseeker
[x] [Talk]: Knowledge about Elf History

You know who is better than Snorri at armour? Igna Metalheart.
Who also happens to realise the vital importance of the cult of Gazul
Yeah, this. No offense meant to anyone, but a lot of the arguments in favor of taking that commission sound kinda like Protagonist Syndrome to me. That sense of "nothing can happen correctly without our personal involvement." Snorri's greatest area of unique capability IMO is his skill at discovering new ideas or possibilities, and his ability to leverage that to make truly legendary items. I wish we'd focus more on that.

12 actions is also a huge commitment; there's such a thing as opportunity costs, y'know? It's not just a question of "could Snorri potentially have a positive impact by doing this" it's a question of "could Snorri have a BIGGER positive impact by doing this than by doing 12 actions worth of work on something else." And on that I'm dubious. Here's just one example lineup. For 12 actions we could:
Complete Diction Direction Pt. 2, potentially unlocking a universal translator just as the dwarves start dealing with elves more AND potentially adding deafness to the list of conditions we can fix with our runic prosthetics. (4 actions remaining)
AND
Complete Understand Valaya's Runes, letting us understand two new runes given to us by literally an Ancestor God herself. (6 actions remaining)
AND
Complete the Firebird's Feather research, which has a less clear payoff but based on prior precedent will quite possibly give us free progress towards other research besides whatever valuable information we gain on the feathers themselves. (2 actions remaining)
And those are all things that, so far as we know, basically NOBODY else is working on.

I didn't even list Rune Metal 2b because I know people are already dead set on it, but for those same 12 actions we could also:
Complete Rune Metal 2b as planned. (7 actions remaining)
AND
Complete Wardstones, which shield dwarves from magic scrying. You know who's alive in the world right now, IIRC? Malekith. Just for one example of somebody it might be nice to not have spying on dwarves. You know who knows how to make more of those Wardstones? Nobody. The Dum runesmiths who came up with them died without being able to pass their knowledge on. (5 actions)
And we could add something else in this list because Rune Metal 2b has both Journeyman of the Odd and Soul of the Earth proccing so it'll get done even faster, but I'm too tired to do math right now.

I'm just saying, guys. That's all.
 
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Okay, I'm confused, because the way I'm reading the votes, they're all using more than our allotted actions for both Snorri and the Hearthguard. Can someone please break this down for me?
 
I think the elves might have an easier time in ravnsvake after Snorri gets his books and learns Eltharin.
If the elder does it, then it's probably fine
 
No offense meant to anyone, but a lot of the arguments in favor of taking that commission sound kinda like Protagonist Syndrome to me
If this was even remotely on point then the Gazul Cult commission voting bloc would be talking up the Ravensnek Gate commission next rather than roundly pushing back against the folks that want it

Speaking frankly whether or not offense was intended this is such a wildly off base mischaracterization as to be deeply deeply offensive regardless

I personally hope you intend to walk it back
 
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[X] Plan Chain for Runesmiths
[X] [Talk]: Knowledge about Avelorn
[X] [Talk]: Knowledge about the Everqueen
[X] [Talk]: Knowledge about Elf History

You know who is better than Snorri at armour? Igna Metalheart.
Who also happens to realise the vital importance of the cult of Gazul
You know who is also super busy with founding a hold right now? Igna Metalheart. I literally just had a whole conversation as to why she can't do the commission with Lagg.
 
[X] Plan Don't Ignore the Grave
[x] [Talk]: Knowledge about House Dawnseeker
[X] [Talk]: Knowledge about the Everqueen
[X] [Talk]: Knowledge about Elf History
 
[X] Plan Don't Ignore the Grave
[x] [Talk]: Knowledge about the Everqueen
[x] [Talk]: Knowledge about House Dawnseeker
[x] [Talk]: Knowledge about Elf History
 
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