That might be workable, yeah. We would have to ask the GM.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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That might be workable, yeah. We would have to ask the GM.
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Remeber that time we self-admittedly stole several thousand gc of gambling chips? And cashed them in for silver under the raised eyebrow of Belegar
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I mean, if we want to give all our Journeymanlings something to remember us by, why not just give them a bound spell each? I'm pretty sure we can do it on objects rather than them directly, and it will be one use only- but it's a hell of a lot more personal (and affordable) than Dwarf commissions.
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Except- the loan is interest-free.
We've every reason to think the terms of repayment are ironclad.
EIC profits are being used to pay it off over time.
There (again) is no compelling reason to pay off the lump sum owing.
For argument's sake, that's not completely true.
For example, we had an option to fund Maximilian's smithing education (it cost 2 favors) earlier on.
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[X] This is Dawongr Weber's money. The funds will largely go projects within the Karaz Ankor - your tower for one, but also investing in the Undumgi or Ulrikadrin, or purchasing goods made by Dwarven artisans or sold in the markets of Barak Varr.
[X] Karag Nar penthouse
[X] There's a growing concentration of royalty here. Get to know King Kazador, and this 'Sky-Thane' Prince Gotri.
[X] Write a series of papers on the magical phenomena you witnessed. Or better yet, get your Journeymanlings to do the actual writing.
[X] Claim the site where Ranald mugged Mork and build a shrine to Ranald there.
[X] Karag Nar penthouse
[X] There's a growing concentration of royalty here. Get to know King Kazador, and this 'Sky-Thane' Prince Gotri.
[X] Write a series of papers on the magical phenomena you witnessed. Or better yet, get your Journeymanlings to do the actual writing.
[X] Claim the site where Ranald mugged Mork and build a shrine to Ranald there.
Guile
Having a really great time right now
"So I'm just gonna put this magic inside you. It could save your life! We've never tested it cross-College, but it's probably fine."
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You know, there is something that combines much of the usefulness of a sword and a research lab:
It makes Mathilde much more killy like a sword.
It let's Mathilde disengage much better than a sword.
It is less attractive to thieves than a sword.
It let's Mathilde advance her magical skills (and power) like a lab.
It gives Mathilde utility options like a lab.
What I'm talking about is, of course, a wondrous wand of dispelling/grounding/anti-magic. It provides the sort of safety-net necessary if we want to advance into battle magic, which is much more versatile than any sword. In fact, I would consider it a prerequisite for even using battle magic. Additionally, it combines with all the other options: Having a sword and battlemagic makes that much more valuable on a battlefield. Being able to deal with errant energies makes researching (and practicing) magic that much safer and quicker…
I'd also like to note that a single-use grounding rod would cost 2 college favour. Having a reusable one alone would be worth at least 10 to me, but I expect that runed version would also be more versatile if you add a few more points.
It's an item that would be useful from the moment we we got it until the end of the quest. If other wizards would sacrifice an arm and a leg to get Mathilde's belt, a reusable grounding thingy would be worth that much more. Right now, Mathilde is at the edge of learning battle magic. Something to deal with miscasts is exactly what could carry her over.
It makes Mathilde much more killy like a sword.
It let's Mathilde disengage much better than a sword.
It is less attractive to thieves than a sword.
It let's Mathilde advance her magical skills (and power) like a lab.
It gives Mathilde utility options like a lab.
What I'm talking about is, of course, a wondrous wand of dispelling/grounding/anti-magic. It provides the sort of safety-net necessary if we want to advance into battle magic, which is much more versatile than any sword. In fact, I would consider it a prerequisite for even using battle magic. Additionally, it combines with all the other options: Having a sword and battlemagic makes that much more valuable on a battlefield. Being able to deal with errant energies makes researching (and practicing) magic that much safer and quicker…
I'd also like to note that a single-use grounding rod would cost 2 college favour. Having a reusable one alone would be worth at least 10 to me, but I expect that runed version would also be more versatile if you add a few more points.
It's an item that would be useful from the moment we we got it until the end of the quest. If other wizards would sacrifice an arm and a leg to get Mathilde's belt, a reusable grounding thingy would be worth that much more. Right now, Mathilde is at the edge of learning battle magic. Something to deal with miscasts is exactly what could carry her over.
A good
Magic would solve all of this.
Agreed. And runes also don't ask nicely, they will just force the magic away.
I think Mathilde watched it remain stable for half a year or so.
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Whilst I am inclined to agree, for us there is no reason we would want to pay back a no interest debt. Which is why I argued against it before, but I was thinking from a diplomatic point of view. Stirland is still recovering, and it is a sizable sum, plus our fief and friends and memory's are in stirland. Mathilde might want to make peace with the new elector count. And paying back the "debt" the little lass no doubt knows about might help. At the very least, its important from a reputation point of view. It can be used against us. If I remember correctly, I was merely reminding people of Ranalds ring, and how we can use it to patch relations using the debt as an excuse. We could settle the debt when ever, I was just positing the idea in others heads about uses for that damn ring. That being said, I would recommend settling that debt, when we decide to return to the empire permanently. After our stint with the dwarfs, if we decide to become a spymaster or advisor for an Elector Count or noble family or we just return period. We don't want the debt hanging on our head, period. People keep talking about our long life span, some might posit the argument that we are abusing our longer life span, to get away with not paying the debt. Even if we were to make a partial payment. That being said, you mention the profits paying off the debt. My memory was that our profits were being funneled back as investment into the EIC. If as you said, our profits are activily paying off the debt. We have proof we our activly paying back said debt, and this isn't a weapon to be used against us or are allies politically. Can we get a copy of all the documentation at the EIC. I worry our proof of paying our debt might disappear.
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I find talk of Favours having diminishing returns to be fairly strange - I mean, did our Belt suffer from being a 15-point item rather than a set of 5- and 10-point items, or even the 10 alone?
I'd say the extra 5 points was why we got the unprecedented Dhar-burning function, instead of 'just' the three canonical runes that gave us a Ward save, Dispell, and fire immunity.
So the extra points above the 10 point TT Runefang 'standard' killyness might do other things like force enemies to re-roll Ward saves, stun enemies on a failed Toughness/Initiative save, ignore the weapon unless it's drawn (considering there's a rune to hide a whole cannon and crew)...
Alternatively/additionally, perhaps spending points means that more 'roles' can be added to it; I know most everyone that wants a weapon wants S10 as base, but some want other killyness, some want defensive, some want stealth...
Considering Kragg has proven his ability to mix multiple Runes into one, some even Masters, what if spending the full 25 Favour means we get one Kragg-rune dedicated to each aspect?
For the manling it was an incredible gift of literally unimaginable power.
For Kragg it was regifting something his particularly dim great-nephew made.
I'd say the extra 5 points was why we got the unprecedented Dhar-burning function, instead of 'just' the three canonical runes that gave us a Ward save, Dispell, and fire immunity.
So the extra points above the 10 point TT Runefang 'standard' killyness might do other things like force enemies to re-roll Ward saves, stun enemies on a failed Toughness/Initiative save, ignore the weapon unless it's drawn (considering there's a rune to hide a whole cannon and crew)...
Alternatively/additionally, perhaps spending points means that more 'roles' can be added to it; I know most everyone that wants a weapon wants S10 as base, but some want other killyness, some want defensive, some want stealth...
Considering Kragg has proven his ability to mix multiple Runes into one, some even Masters, what if spending the full 25 Favour means we get one Kragg-rune dedicated to each aspect?
For the manling it was an incredible gift of literally unimaginable power.
For Kragg it was regifting something his particularly dim great-nephew made.
I like the idea of gifting all our journeymanlings with commemorative gifts.
Finely forged dwarf made daggers would be the perfect choice. It's valuable but not ludicrously so, we can have it inscribed with a symbol of our achievements together, and it's practical and useful for their future journeys.
Finely forged dwarf made daggers would be the perfect choice. It's valuable but not ludicrously so, we can have it inscribed with a symbol of our achievements together, and it's practical and useful for their future journeys.
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Only quibble is that those types of Counter Magic runes are talismans and we've already got the belt. There are some other problems like being Dwarf only or temperary but Boney has waved away a lot of minor rune rules already. I don't think he will/should easily wave the equipment limits away though as that's a pretty important power creep limiter.
For gameplay reasons I'd prefer an item that just reduced the effects of miscasts instead of the chances of a miscast happening. Would make the unpredictability of magic more apparent in this setting. Without us questers worried that a couple bad rolls will kill some allies.
A-hem, Dwarf Hand Hatchets are far more efficient then the inferior dagger.
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Why do they need gifts? They followed orders(mostly), and they lived. The fact they survived where others did not should be prize enough.
Having any debt is not great for a Grey Wizard or a spymaster.
It probably isn't terrible either but it is basically bound to be on the negative column next to Mathilde's name in the Grey College.
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I'm unsure how we could even spend more than a handful of points on the lab. I see only a few things we would need to buy with favours: Building a "magic-neutral" observation/dissection room and getting a mini-vault to store our stuff short-term. Maybe something to ground magic, if the extra item does not work for that. (Long-term storage could be in the proper vault.) Stuff like the rooms themselves and high-quality tools could just be bought with money considering how high Mathilde's reputation is.
The only other favour-sink I could see would be a library, which we could expand over time as we need it.
The only other favour-sink I could see would be a library, which we could expand over time as we need it.
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NavySeel
"I don't know what I'm doing."
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Because its a nice thing to do and we like them???
I'm not even supporting the idea but your dismissiveness about something that would cost very little is confusing.
WoG, learning new skills or upgrading old ones gives us a bonus to the relevant stat. They are as good as any other traits. Could be somewhat of an action-sink with mediocre or bad rolls however.
To my knowledge, that prejudice only extends to swords; knives are too useful as tools for me to believe the Dwarves shun them.
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Let's not forget our lab needs a spa• Learned that in Stirland
My image of dwarf cooking involves tiny little axes for slicing mushrooms and you can't take that from me.
My image of dwarf cooking involves tiny little axes for slicing mushrooms and you can't take that from me.
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I have to argue.. we dont need the runic sword that much.
We can use magic to make the sword extra killy.
What we need is a rune of silence to make our killy extra sneaky or a dwarven gramarly to improve our writing.
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- Aotearoa
Have you followed the updates- our friend Wilheimina 1. has been the Steward of Stirland until now/very recently, 2. Wrote the terms of the loans, 3. Has excellent financial sense 4. Has the exact same loans as us.
Really, I'd not worry about it. it keeps coming up, and there remains no need- for us, financially speaking- to repay free money. As for Stirland, there's five thousand crossbowmen bringing 50 gold each into the economy.
I don't think so, not debt to an Elector Count.
Debt to a random usurer- yes, problematic. But this is a debt that ties her to Stirland, to one of the pillars of the Empire. We took the exam and were promoted to Magister with this loan outstanding!
Anyway, Mathilde is rapidly becoming The Grey Wizard Who Does Financial Shenanigans.
When they see our latest schemes' 14,000 gold windfall, I expect a piddling loan of less than 10% of that sum will be the least of the Bursars concerns...
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I feel like I've said this over and over again, but here it is again. A character in warhammer can equip precisely three magic items with continuous effect:
- Armor: can't be used with arcane magic unless you are a chaos worshiper
- Talisman: we already have one
- Weapon: which we are talking about now
Aegon Targaryen
Dragonking of Fuyuki
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- Romania
Actually Vampires can armor-cast as well. At least Vlad the Dad can.