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There is literally nothing that absolutely needs the Blessing.
Bloody hedonic treadmills.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Bloody hedonic treadmills.
Aegon Targaryen
Dragonking of Fuyuki
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I'd like to note that I am in both the second and the third camps. Best weapon we can get with the time & resource constraints, but the Moonlight Wit idea also appeals to me. Like, as long as the weapon is named Branul Lhune, I have no further wishes. Just, please, don't overspend.
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Does he do "smugly showing off to that radical, Thorek"? You know, for that extra motivation.
Can you ballpark the cost for Kragg's three-in-one rune + 2 good synergistic ones (and maybe a little getting cute with the supposed rules)? I'm guessing 15-20? Does it change if it's a sword or axe?
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Yeah, I am pretty much one of those, with caveat of "Spymistress And Occasionally Fighter".
Issue with discussing this one is that we've not seen many ways to utilize dwarf favours in ways useful for wizard/spymistress. Sword is simple and straighforward.
But can we use favors on, like, getting EIC an in with some big dwarf honchos?
Can we spend favours on establishing a regular communication/apprenticeship line with dwarfs for any Gold Wizard who wants to learn at their feet?
Can we spend them on getting some dwarfs to work with us on maintaining hold stabilitiy (read: establishing net of informants)?
Can we make Book Exchange Network into an actual spy-ish network?
And so on. It's way less explored area and we don't really know how and whether to invest favours into spy/social-related things. Sword or other shinies are simpler.
edit: which is partially why I want to explore all those options; sword is simple and thus boring and narratively unsatisfying to read about, in my eyes. Getting +1 to WS/S/T or whatnot is...not really a fun reading material compared to, for example, "Mathilde utilized dwarfs feeling they owe her to get someone in Gotri's entourage to regularly talk to her about the events in the court, thus keeping hand on pulse of Thorgrim's faction and ensuring they are not here to sabotage Reclamation".
Well, at least to me - I assume people who want the big sword are more interested in us doing sword things, and that's fine too.
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Aegon Targaryen
Dragonking of Fuyuki
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As for the guy saying our purpose should be to beat Nagash, the guy likely had Martial 30 and Magic 14 on a scale from 1 to 10
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Guys, such thinking as "Mathilde doesn't need to have a top tier weapon, she is not a fighter" is deeply flawed.
For one, she just charged a bunch of enemy heroes (which got very close to triggering Seed revival) on East Gate. She clearly doesn't shy from fighting.
Our new home is an active warzone.
Most targets worth assassinating are simply way too tough to reliably finish off quickly without a beatstick, because Mathilde is only human, and relatively low on the skill totem pole at that. This is a magical world, some beings require a cannonball to the face to even start hurting.
Remember that, if we fall behind enemy lines, it's very likely that even the Seed might not save us. If we get into drawn out fights with tough, hard-hitting opponents, there's every chance they might do us in with startling speed, as the TT combat is incredibly lethal.
Much like the Seed being a requirement for doing any sort of serious fighting without a hilariously high chance of Bad End, a proper killstick is a requirement to exploit our advantages in the "winning the battle before it's fought" area.
And in the end, this is Warhammer. There's every chance for a rat-themed Balrog showing up and starting wrecking things, and even with Battle Magic, which we don't have, whacking something in the face is often inevitable. Because everyone knows you gank the wizard first.
But if you want to be pedantic, actions that were time-critical and we would really, really, really prefer to succeed at.
For one, she just charged a bunch of enemy heroes (which got very close to triggering Seed revival) on East Gate. She clearly doesn't shy from fighting.
Our new home is an active warzone.
Most targets worth assassinating are simply way too tough to reliably finish off quickly without a beatstick, because Mathilde is only human, and relatively low on the skill totem pole at that. This is a magical world, some beings require a cannonball to the face to even start hurting.
Remember that, if we fall behind enemy lines, it's very likely that even the Seed might not save us. If we get into drawn out fights with tough, hard-hitting opponents, there's every chance they might do us in with startling speed, as the TT combat is incredibly lethal.
Much like the Seed being a requirement for doing any sort of serious fighting without a hilariously high chance of Bad End, a proper killstick is a requirement to exploit our advantages in the "winning the battle before it's fought" area.
And in the end, this is Warhammer. There's every chance for a rat-themed Balrog showing up and starting wrecking things, and even with Battle Magic, which we don't have, whacking something in the face is often inevitable. Because everyone knows you gank the wizard first.
I forgot to comment, but this is amazing.
I think we simply get two rolls with blessings in a single action, as opposed to just the most critical one.
Hedonic treadmills?
But if you want to be pedantic, actions that were time-critical and we would really, really, really prefer to succeed at.
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So, one thing to point out about going all-in with a 25 favor sword: It won't be made of Gromril. The runes on the sword will be, same as on our belt, but most of the sword is going to be inferior steel. Gromril is rare in these times, and making a new item completely out of Gromril is ruinously expensive even for kings. However, if there's one place with lots of Gromril to be found, it's a lost dwarven hold. And we're in the largest one in the world. My point is, if we really want an endgame weapon, we should go questing for a bunch of Gromril first. (And I say this as someone who'd really love a max-killy sword.)
Sinsystems
Patron Librarian
I am all for getting a 10-15 favor sword, but any more is just too much for me since I want to spend the other favor on things like our wizard tower.
NavySeel
"I don't know what I'm doing."
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Pretty sure that won't happen.
Maximilian got his apprenticeship because of his own effort and with an individual dwarf he impressed.
They aren't going to start teaching any random umgi wizardwe throw at them.
Even if it was possible it would probably take more than all the favor we earned in the entire quest.
The world's greatest necromancer has to be a lot more of an outlier at magic rather than at martial stuff.
Not that Nagash would be bad at martial but magic is his bread and butter.
Warbosses, shamans, skaven engineers and even Grey Seers can be assassinated without cannonball to the face.
Mathilde definitely shouldn't try to assassinate uber-top tier figures or greater demons because she's a wizard and a spymistress not a top tier dedicated assassin.
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Human militia rolling nothing but 6s can do it too.
Doesn't mean it's a good idea.
Doesn't mean it's a good idea.
NavySeel
"I don't know what I'm doing."
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Those are two completely different scales.
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Yeah, which is why I am ok with 10-15 Favour of a sword. That's fine, and we do a lot of swording time to time.
But we are not just a swordfighter, and narrative focusing on swording at all times would kind of just be...well, it's not Marcus Quest, it's Mathilde Quest. If we wanted to play Sword Gud, we should've voted for some swordo at chargen, IMO.
But that's, naturally, a matter of taste.
I mean, maybe, but we do not know that. Isn't looking into such things a more fun read than exchanging Sword +1 for Sword +5 of Demon Slaying?
Well, I mean, rhetorical question; it's more fun for me, it's not as fun for other people. Matter of taste.
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And, you know.
Wrong College. The Goldies are super rich, let them sort out their own training.
Wrong College. The Goldies are super rich, let them sort out their own training.
10ebbor10
DON'T PANIC
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I assume they're referring to the fact the bonus is not essential. It's just a bonus. But, because people have grown used to it, they now think it is essential.
This is especially a problem with the coin, because the coin has eaten the bonus.
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I would say a anti-Nat 1 safety net is pretty damn essential to researching potentially incredibly dangerous things.
Sinsystems
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I'd imagine that we could get such a thing by having our Wizard Tower be tricked out with a ton of safety measures and security.
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Honestly, I think that putting 10 or 15 Favor into a lab (maybe with library) would be amazing. We're going to be doing research here, and having the best possible place to maximise research gains would be great! Dwarves can do unique stuff with runes and clever architecture (affecting the Winds, making functional Blast Rooms, keeping things secure and minimizing wear and tear...). Let's benefit from that.
Secondly, I like the idea of a 10-point sword. Getting Str 10 and some side-bonuses would be amazing for sabotage. However it's only worth it if we spend the points to learn Engineering (well, Demolitions).
Secondly, I like the idea of a 10-point sword. Getting Str 10 and some side-bonuses would be amazing for sabotage. However it's only worth it if we spend the points to learn Engineering (well, Demolitions).
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In regards to the axe vs sword discussion, let me frame it this way: if we had a risk-free but time-sensitiveaction that could earn 1d6 dwarf favor, which might take one or two actions to complete, would the thread not immediatelly mash that button? Wouldn't that be the sort of bargain things in the "it would be neat/good to do it" category get pushed back a turn or two for?
That's what asking for an axe (or hammer, but I think most find axe cooler and thematically closer), instead of a sword is.
Especially if we are dropping the big bucks on a weapon, which is a thing we absolutely should do because it will become a much treasured possession that's going to assist us throughout the quest and make our job considerably easier and safer, having part of that go away to "I have to reforge this ten times to get the hang of doing swords, after four hundred years without practice" and such is just phenomenally wasteful.
That's what asking for an axe (or hammer, but I think most find axe cooler and thematically closer), instead of a sword is.
Especially if we are dropping the big bucks on a weapon, which is a thing we absolutely should do because it will become a much treasured possession that's going to assist us throughout the quest and make our job considerably easier and safer, having part of that go away to "I have to reforge this ten times to get the hang of doing swords, after four hundred years without practice" and such is just phenomenally wasteful.
But that's what we have the Blessing for.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
I don't think that favour will be able to do a lot for our wizard tower that an enormous bag of gold wont already do. Dwarven magical knowledge is runic, they don't have safeties for channeling the winds because they don't do that. Back before the War of Vengeance its conceivable they could have had that knowledge as they worked in cooperation with the Elves, but pretty much all of that knowledge has been lost or disavowed. I expect to be able to buy near enough the best quality tools to kit our lab with just gold. I don't think they're going to have runic implements and tools that will be particularly useful for us and that's pretty much the only thing that would require favour.
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Until Mathilde can solo the Avatar of Khorne, there's always going to be a chance that something deadlier shows up, and one can always argue that Mathilde needs to be more and more of a murderblender to face whatever threat is the next step up in escalation.
I would like to get Mathilde a magic weapon. I would like to stay off the slippery slope that leads to trying to kit out Mathilde to solo the Avatar of Khorne.
Like walking on a treadmill, it's very hard to make lasting progress in human happiness - a gift or positive change is often acclimated to over time, becomes taken for granted, and then forms the new baseline for what a man imagines is his right and due that he's entitled to as a matter of course.
It appears to be strongly in effect here, as the Belt of the Unyielding Mountain was at first viewed as absolutely awesome, and now some people have gotten so used to it they're describing 15-favor multi-master-runed Runefang-tier Kragg-forged weapons as subpar.
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Even a 20 point weapon still leaves us with a lot of favor.
But really, people who don't want to spend much favor, please support an axe when the time comes. If you are going to be thrifty, be thrifty. Being thrifty and inefficient is just bad policy.
People who absolutely want a sword, please vote for the upper range of favors, such as 20. We would be losing a lot of efficienty, and I suspect the loss goes up as the absolute quality such a favor expenditure demands, so if you want the luxury of keeping a sword, please, pay for the top-shelf stuff.
But really, people who don't want to spend much favor, please support an axe when the time comes. If you are going to be thrifty, be thrifty. Being thrifty and inefficient is just bad policy.
People who absolutely want a sword, please vote for the upper range of favors, such as 20. We would be losing a lot of efficienty, and I suspect the loss goes up as the absolute quality such a favor expenditure demands, so if you want the luxury of keeping a sword, please, pay for the top-shelf stuff.
Sinsystems
Patron Librarian
Redundancy is always good.
There would still be ways that the dwarves could set things up that are useful. For instance I would not be surprised if they could make a magically dead room where we can store various artifacts for instance. I would not discount that just because the dwarves don't channel magic that they'd not be able to set up something that could help our lab.
10ebbor10
DON'T PANIC
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Not really though. A 1 in 100 chance is still absolutely tiny. It's an acceptable risk in most situations.
The blessing comes with a considerable opportunity cost, namely preventing the use of any other aspect of the coin.
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Well, BoneyM explicitly said that dwarf-made tools would be more inert and thus better for poking risky things than, say, what College could provide for favours. Not sure whether it referred to kind of tools one can buy with money or only those which need favours. I would assume that we can buy better ones with favours, but who knows?
And again: despite not being wizards, Kragg gave us best wizard artifact we could possibly hope for. "Dwarf magical knowledge is runic" is empirically not an argument against them being able to make outstanding items for wizards.
Almost as if they are not famed as being legendary craftsmen for nothing.
I don't mind whether it's an axe or sword, frankly. I want a decent weapon at 10-15 favour range, and I want to spend most of favours on a mix of Tower and spymistress-related activities.
So sure, so long as axe in the price range, I'll approval vote for it or something.