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Right so if we want a Favor 15-20 weapon we need to lure out Kragg or travel down of Karak Azul and talk with Thorek. I'll keep that in mind.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Kornet
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Our snake is a bit, ah, liquid.
The most dangerous thing about OP items is that we'll be driven to USE them. And one day, those Dice are gonna ditch us.
How many time our ass have been save because of the Seed and the Rune? A bit to many.
She got favors from dwarves, a lot of favor. But we still have to spend it wisely. Otherwise she'll ends up with too powerfull a weapon, she'll fight directly.
And where's the fun in that
I find it more amusing on how she makes 'smart' kill, Hitman/assasin creed style, instead of a conventional sword+10 to the gut approach.
No apology necessary, I was also making a joke. Tone on the internet is also hard.
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personally, i dont see a need to spend more than 20 favor on a single item.
our belt is amazing and it costed 15 favor.
our belt is amazing and it costed 15 favor.
[X] Write a series of papers on the magical phenomena you witnessed. Or better yet, get your Journeymanlings to do the actual writing.
This suggests a future of investigation and study at Karak Eight Peaks, and perhaps helping Johann poke at Skaven technology.
[X] King Belegar is allowing you to use the King's Armoury. Recover your extant study materials from Stirland and tuck them away safely in there.
This suggests a future catching up on your pre-existing study topics.
[X] This is Magister Weber's money. Make no attempt to push the funds through any of the available loopholes and spend it all in plain sight of the College. You would be beholden to spend it on ways at least nominally good for the Empire, and soon.
Why am I going with this one? Well, I had a thought: maybe if we spend a lot of money on the Colleges, they will realize that there is a lot of money to be made here.
In short, it can act as a form of advertising.
They will see that this is a very profitable for the Empire, and the Colleges, endeavor to engage in, and so they will send more support. And will throw some political weight towards that.
... Also, it avoids us having to wonder if we skirted the edges of the rules or did something risky in regards to the money. Avoids us with the issue of 'as soon as we got our hands on tons of money, we spent it all on ourselves.' But mostly, yeah, I really really want to know: can we use that money as a lure for the Colleges and the Empire?
This suggests a future of investigation and study at Karak Eight Peaks, and perhaps helping Johann poke at Skaven technology.
[X] King Belegar is allowing you to use the King's Armoury. Recover your extant study materials from Stirland and tuck them away safely in there.
This suggests a future catching up on your pre-existing study topics.
[X] This is Magister Weber's money. Make no attempt to push the funds through any of the available loopholes and spend it all in plain sight of the College. You would be beholden to spend it on ways at least nominally good for the Empire, and soon.
Why am I going with this one? Well, I had a thought: maybe if we spend a lot of money on the Colleges, they will realize that there is a lot of money to be made here.
In short, it can act as a form of advertising.
They will see that this is a very profitable for the Empire, and the Colleges, endeavor to engage in, and so they will send more support. And will throw some political weight towards that.
... Also, it avoids us having to wonder if we skirted the edges of the rules or did something risky in regards to the money. Avoids us with the issue of 'as soon as we got our hands on tons of money, we spent it all on ourselves.' But mostly, yeah, I really really want to know: can we use that money as a lure for the Colleges and the Empire?
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I agree. While I understand the mentality and agree that generally two 7-point items are going to be strictly inferior to a 15-point one making the latter the rational choice, there is a point where artifacts start stretching my sense of disbelief and look way too overpowered, and 15 is about the cutoff point for me.
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I really want to see what 10 favour Tower and 10 favour toolset would do.
But hm, maybe instead we should take time to learn something like proper shooting from dwarfs?
Or better yet, explosives! Seeing as we are not Bright Wizard, knowing basics about blowing things up can be of value.
But hm, maybe instead we should take time to learn something like proper shooting from dwarfs?
Or better yet, explosives! Seeing as we are not Bright Wizard, knowing basics about blowing things up can be of value.
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How much can we offend Kraggs sensibilities in a single request?
Boney, how many favours would we need if we want to keep a Anvil of Doom as a footstool.
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Ten and ten for a tower and sword definitely sounds acceptable for me. My preference would be for fifteen and ten and then spending the remaining thirteen on learning things that need learning or for banking for later, but I definitely understand where folks are coming from there.
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Personally I think we should go ham on our tower simply because that'll help everyone's peace of mind. "A runelord made this tower safe for magic things" is not just nice for us to know, it also makes the dwarves and men who have to live in the same mountain as our experiments happy.
It'll also help against outside dangers, like the Skaven assassins we want kept away from us and our stuff.
Also, on weapon requests, any sneaky quality we want should be describes as it relates "ranger-like activities", and most certainly never the word "assassin".
It'll also help against outside dangers, like the Skaven assassins we want kept away from us and our stuff.
Also, on weapon requests, any sneaky quality we want should be describes as it relates "ranger-like activities", and most certainly never the word "assassin".
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Also lionbirds would go a long long way to getting the local wildlife and lingering orcs...pruned.
...I wonder if the Ambers might be interested in studying magical creatures like that.
Because the orcs are basically migratory and we know their fungus basically wipes the local area dry to spawn and feed more orcs, so any areas which don't already have an orc tribe in there is because they won't support an orc tribe and are basically laying fallow until they do again.
Can't be helped. Warrior gods are good for eking out a living on harsh land, but once you make it NICE they slowly marginalize themselves.
But theres always more orc and forest to fight. A question for another thousand years down the road.
You can see all the stuff Mathilde learned from her council experience. She might not be the best steward, but she's seen them at work, and knows what needs to be taken care of.
The dining hall is an especially nice touch for forging bonds within the community.
Also hmmm:
-Shallya - Theres probably a bunch of adventurers who picked up basic surgery and herblore out of necessity, and with this they can retire from war. The Shallyan nurses here are going to be really big beefy orderlies though.
-Ulric - Naturally, not sure how well his shrines fit inside a massive cave complex but hey, they make it work for Middenheim.
-Myrmidia - Some adventurer did their stint in Tilea huh? These guys would be useful in planning the regional strategy. Makes good Martial Advisor material.
-Ursun - How are his dudes taking to living in a very very nice cave?
-The Lady - Man, these adventurers come from many places. I didn't know anyone but Bretonnian nobility worshipped her, did we have some stray knights in the lot? Still, technically nothing wrong with a credo of purity, nobility and courage. Might not be bad law enforcement hereabouts.
-Grimnir - This is VERY weird...but if anyone could understand the mentality of a Slayer adventurers might. Facing certain death time after time could change a guy.
-Valaya - They're living in a dwarfhold, so its only right to pay respects to her. Being a god of brewing doesn't hurt, after months of living on dwarf alcohol...
People are kind of like Ulgu.
Try to force them to move and its like catching fog.
Put the right lures and they'd move themselves!
Traditionally settling armies would take wives amongst the locals but there aren't any humans hereabouts, or from the camp followers, but we've sort of outpaced the whole thing too fast.
The supply is likely to exceed demand in a few months I expect. Then we're going to need to import bachelors!
And I see Belegar is pretty cunning here. One of the most important tasks for a new king is minting their currency. It gives visibility, everyone would be looking at the new coin(first to make sure its authentic, second to find out what place is minting out high purity silver coins), which means the traders would scent profit and they'd bring profit.
Stewardship King!
If Mathilde takes this spot, she's probably going to be setting up a bunch of curtains, dividers and probably mirrors to manage the light...and probably randomly checking on stuff below with Zoom And Enhance to maintain the image.
...it also helps that the wide open spaces means that mishaps can vent into the air where nobody's near to be bothered.
A good place for a martial bastion, but a dangerous one. You probably don't want your wizard lab to be directly over where they're fighting Skaven in the tunnels.
Or for the matter, in a building which "reduce it to rubble with cannon" was an option.
Good holy site, but a little cramped, a little lacking in exposure to Ulgu and...well really when you think of it like that its kind of like the old place in Wurtbad.
And the Skaven.
And the Skaven gribblies.
Its a cheery place though.
Belegar: "Theres more goblins and skaven over there, don't you sweat it"
Once again, Belegar has made it such that their self interest would encourage them to further HIS self interest.
I really want to save up some favors for some directed tutoring from him at some point. The tricky part is finding out what is worth his time, and learning all the basics first so he can teach mastery.
Also that sounds like two tsunderes at work.
The symbol of confidence, power and friendship...now only opens for war and death alone.
Subtle symbolism?
How many gave up on their title?
That said, I *think* Belegar might have said the same for his OTL achievements? If with a rather different mood.
Another big statement of the past glories reclaimed. Though the desecrated temples have been quietly left out?
-The humans nearly matched the dwarf contingent in number.
-The humans somehow lost less, but no mention was made of cowardice, so reading between the lines they'd conclude that certain operations could only be done by and for dwarfs.
-No irreplaceable assets were lost.
-No new Grudges will need to be borne.
If its not spoilery I'm curious how they took it.
Also thats one thing we want to buy with the gold for sure: dwarf histories. Complete and unabridged copies.
The Empire has had a poor record of keeping important knowledge in the face of politics and wealth.
Individuals can be trusted. Institutions cannot.
Look to the future. For there is a future.
Definitely more important than the loot roll.
And Engineers. Which bodes well for our ability to buy their services in the coming turns!
Pity about the Grudges, but holy shit look at Lhune.
We took an Enthusiastic Walk.
The whole Ritual hijinks was probably tactfully left out, but I wonder if the Longbeards might audit the Grudge count and credit after the rift amended, or if they'd leave it to "King Belegar's Expedition"?
Because part of it is that from what I'm seeing, Thorgrim's concern is basically "is this a fluke?"
He'd need to hold all eight peaks for a few centuries to convince the Grudgebearer that maybe this might be worth it.
I wonder how often it is that you have wizards from four different orders observe two other races using battlemagic while in a position to actually observe the battle rather than frantically try to survive it.
Jolly Cooperation!
Also lionbirds would go a long long way to getting the local wildlife and lingering orcs...pruned.
Huh...interesting. If volcanic lightning isn't working for them but natural lightning does, the Dragon Ogres feed on Azyr. The Aqshy laden lightning from the volcano, and the general sulfurous environment is doing a number on their health.
...I wonder if the Ambers might be interested in studying magical creatures like that.
And a bit of realization with Panoramia's insights: the Border Princes are extra fucked up because agriculture requires that you either rejuvenate the soil, hold the temporarily unprofitable land long enough for it to recover naturally over decades, apply magic(divine or arcane) to the problem, seize them from a gribbly, seize them from forests(and the beastmen/fey in them) or seize them from orc occupants.
Because the orcs are basically migratory and we know their fungus basically wipes the local area dry to spawn and feed more orcs, so any areas which don't already have an orc tribe in there is because they won't support an orc tribe and are basically laying fallow until they do again.
Ulric would probably approve of this lifestyle. He likes the whole frontiersman thing, though going by his creed they usually start facing identity crisis once they actually urbanize and become agrarian to transition to Taal and Rhya.
Can't be helped. Warrior gods are good for eking out a living on harsh land, but once you make it NICE they slowly marginalize themselves.
But theres always more orc and forest to fight. A question for another thousand years down the road.
That sounds like if we left it alone it'd have PROBABLY turned into some kind of wild west frontier town pretty quick.
Brief interesting thought: I wonder if it'd be worth it to create an enchanted MAP of Karag Nar and place it somewhere nice and visible. Shouldn't be too hard I think.
You can see all the stuff Mathilde learned from her council experience. She might not be the best steward, but she's seen them at work, and knows what needs to be taken care of.
The dining hall is an especially nice touch for forging bonds within the community.
Also hmmm:
-Shallya - Theres probably a bunch of adventurers who picked up basic surgery and herblore out of necessity, and with this they can retire from war. The Shallyan nurses here are going to be really big beefy orderlies though.
-Ulric - Naturally, not sure how well his shrines fit inside a massive cave complex but hey, they make it work for Middenheim.
-Myrmidia - Some adventurer did their stint in Tilea huh? These guys would be useful in planning the regional strategy. Makes good Martial Advisor material.
-Ursun - How are his dudes taking to living in a very very nice cave?
-The Lady - Man, these adventurers come from many places. I didn't know anyone but Bretonnian nobility worshipped her, did we have some stray knights in the lot? Still, technically nothing wrong with a credo of purity, nobility and courage. Might not be bad law enforcement hereabouts.
-Grimnir - This is VERY weird...but if anyone could understand the mentality of a Slayer adventurers might. Facing certain death time after time could change a guy.
-Valaya - They're living in a dwarfhold, so its only right to pay respects to her. Being a god of brewing doesn't hurt, after months of living on dwarf alcohol...
Manipulation at its best.
People are kind of like Ulgu.
Try to force them to move and its like catching fog.
Put the right lures and they'd move themselves!
So...theres going to be armies of thirsty maids inbound.
Traditionally settling armies would take wives amongst the locals but there aren't any humans hereabouts, or from the camp followers, but we've sort of outpaced the whole thing too fast.
The supply is likely to exceed demand in a few months I expect. Then we're going to need to import bachelors!
Man, this is an insane sum even if we rolled lower here. It seems that Mathilde might not be facing a big headache from adventurers realizing a lot of people lost their shares...because most of those who lost their shares are too dead to protest.
And I see Belegar is pretty cunning here. One of the most important tasks for a new king is minting their currency. It gives visibility, everyone would be looking at the new coin(first to make sure its authentic, second to find out what place is minting out high purity silver coins), which means the traders would scent profit and they'd bring profit.
Stewardship King!
I imagine the rumors are probably passing around that we knew what Panoramia was doing(I doubt the halflings didn't eavesdrop) despite being not on the same battlefield at all.
If Mathilde takes this spot, she's probably going to be setting up a bunch of curtains, dividers and probably mirrors to manage the light...and probably randomly checking on stuff below with Zoom And Enhance to maintain the image.
...it also helps that the wide open spaces means that mishaps can vent into the air where nobody's near to be bothered.
A good place for a martial bastion, but a dangerous one. You probably don't want your wizard lab to be directly over where they're fighting Skaven in the tunnels.
Or for the matter, in a building which "reduce it to rubble with cannon" was an option.
Good holy site, but a little cramped, a little lacking in exposure to Ulgu and...well really when you think of it like that its kind of like the old place in Wurtbad.
And this is dramatic as all hell, but lets not tempt the gribblies.
And the Skaven.
And the Skaven gribblies.
Not sure if we want to conduct magical experiments near farmland.
Its a cheery place though.
Karag Nar would be interesting in all kinds of precedents wouldn't it?
Kazador: "Oh no, the Umgi took the glory!"
Belegar: "Theres more goblins and skaven over there, don't you sweat it"
Once again, Belegar has made it such that their self interest would encourage them to further HIS self interest.
They're finally home~
Just...take it for a moment. Kragg has decided to stick around. He thinks this place is worth his time.
I really want to save up some favors for some directed tutoring from him at some point. The tricky part is finding out what is worth his time, and learning all the basics first so he can teach mastery.
Also that sounds like two tsunderes at work.
It is in this moment that Mathilde resolved to figure out how to fly.
Yet another tragedy.
The symbol of confidence, power and friendship...now only opens for war and death alone.
And having been through Lhune and Nar, we know dwarfs do build doorways which humans can pass through with minor difficulty. This is no accident or design flaw. They WANT human visitors to bow, or crawl.
Subtle symbolism?
So...how many unlanded dwarf Kings are out there anyways?
How many gave up on their title?
My money's on speaking tubes. Its a well known and simple technology, if a little expensive without cheap metalworking to install on a large scale.
The design sounds like its intended to allow thousands of representatives to talk, or even yell at each other without making the chamber an unbearable, endless racket?
I can't believe Belegar or Kragg could have missed what kind of impression that this entrance would give. They planned this well ahead of time. Its a political statement.
You could see the dollar signs pop in his eyes.
Minds blown.
That said, I *think* Belegar might have said the same for his OTL achievements? If with a rather different mood.
Victories.
Another big statement of the past glories reclaimed. Though the desecrated temples have been quietly left out?
Another subtle political statement. What they'd be hearing is:
-The humans nearly matched the dwarf contingent in number.
-The humans somehow lost less, but no mention was made of cowardice, so reading between the lines they'd conclude that certain operations could only be done by and for dwarfs.
-No irreplaceable assets were lost.
-No new Grudges will need to be borne.
@BoneyM I presume the matter of the Black Orcs were already sent ahead of this?
If its not spoilery I'm curious how they took it.
So...the actual Book of Grudges sounds more like a library index.
Also thats one thing we want to buy with the gold for sure: dwarf histories. Complete and unabridged copies.
And this is one reason why I suspect the Van Hals kept the book.
The Empire has had a poor record of keeping important knowledge in the face of politics and wealth.
Individuals can be trusted. Institutions cannot.
Hot damn. This was PROBABLY why Thorgrim took him to the records chamber for the talking. He knew from how Kragg's survival was handled that Belegar had WORDS, best handled in relative privacy, with longbeards with known discretion.
I suppose the Fire plan had some handy auxillary benefits too.
And here's the Stewardship pro at work again.
Look to the future. For there is a future.
Thank you Ranald for a well placed high roll.
Definitely more important than the loot roll.
And Eight Peaks now has air support. Awesome.
And Engineers. Which bodes well for our ability to buy their services in the coming turns!
The only cure is more success I suppose.
Damn that is a lot of Favor earned.
Pity about the Grudges, but holy shit look at Lhune.
We took an Enthusiastic Walk.
The whole Ritual hijinks was probably tactfully left out, but I wonder if the Longbeards might audit the Grudge count and credit after the rift amended, or if they'd leave it to "King Belegar's Expedition"?
Because part of it is that from what I'm seeing, Thorgrim's concern is basically "is this a fluke?"
He'd need to hold all eight peaks for a few centuries to convince the Grudgebearer that maybe this might be worth it.
It kind of is misapplied scaling - but one that is rather hard to avoid. Speaking as voter in a quest, it is hard for me to see things as special when one Mathilde is narratively surrounded by them. Dwarf runes are incredibly valuable, unique things. Products of genius and mastery that takes hundreds of years to perfect. But expedition to K8P have huge concentration of rune items. Hammerers are visible. Kragg is visible and outshining battle mages with his runic craft. Longeards seems to have runic items. There is armory from the 'good old times' filled with such items... so while item with even a single rune remains valuable, I need to keep reminding myself that it is so. Anything below rune items, even highest tier craftmanship - it feels like a trash tier now.
I think this is part of why voters keep thinking of spending 25+ points of favor on items. With so many rune armor and weaponry around a "mere" runic item feels underwhelming. Also, to be honest, it is a good way to go about those things. We will never exchange our Belt. It serves Mathilde well and if it was only gain that came out of Drakenhoff, it would be worth it. It is better to have one legendary-tier item rather than two or three of lesser quality. I feel that way, and majority of thread feels that way too: if You go to the shop, get best quality possible.
(BTW, it may be nice narrative point to include in a quest. Mathilde's life is now rather removed from normality of Empire. Clash of between her life and point of view and those of others may be interesting.)
As for voting, I really hope current vote will not make working as Belgar spymaster harder. Going by the comments, good portion of voters very much wants to go that road but are voting for other things due to them being time-sensitive and just wanting to get them the out of the way. (Ranald shrine, convincing Esbern and Seija, writing papers). I hope it can be represented in Mathilde's attitute 'in character'.
Guile
Having a really great time right now
Because if they wanted to stay they'd be staying. We're prevailing upon their good natures (or their pocketbooks, or whatever) to keep them from doing whatever they want to be doing with their lives. To raise our dinosaurs, or negotiate with goddamn spiders, or whatever.
Put yourself in their shoes for a minute. Imagine the response the thread would have if someone tried to pull rank on Mathilde this way. Like, imagine the Emperor is like, 'Hey Matty, I know you like hanging with your dwarf friends or whatever, but I want you to go and help the Elector Count of Middenland. Chop chop.'
"If you don't choose my vote, Mathilde is going to die!" is not particularly compelling to me.
Maybe we want to spend those 15 Favor on building multiple factories for our new Guild of Engineers to in-house a lot of their expenses instead. Get more gyrocopters in the air, ruling the skies over K8P.
Maybe not everyone cares about goddamn spiders okay
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
I want twenty for a sword because it's a single piece of work; we can't put in five here or five there and let them add up like we can with infrastructure, any favor spent on a sword that could have been much better is favor that might as well have been wasted.
In short, we can nickel and dime our income and our home, but not our weapon expenditures, so it's more efficient to go all in on one thing at a time.
In short, we can nickel and dime our income and our home, but not our weapon expenditures, so it's more efficient to go all in on one thing at a time.
It's just a meme vote for me; I'm expecting Rat Balrogs if I accidentally win.
I'm late to the party (Cursed sleep!), but I just want to say that this was beautiful. Belegar throwing down was glorious, and I'm absolutely hyped for helping him prove his point.
And I think your Throgrim is also beautiful and tragic, in the original greek sense. (My experience with him so far is him causally stomping everything in Total Warhammer, because I'm a filthy casual that plays on easy. So actually a lot closer to Belegor's experience so far.)
Since we can now get access to Kragg or Thorek whenever for a commission like that, I'm also willing to wait. That said, I think I'll run into FOMO (fear of missing out) hard if we do commission something. How much better could it have been? And also the underlying thought of "Now those favors will be wasted if we ever want to upgrade our weapon". It's only sorta true, but that doesn't mean I don't feel that way.
Personally, I think we should go full ham on a weapon, and keep the remaining favors in reserve. There's gonna be plenty of opportunity for more favors in the future (finalising the reconquest of K8P, and then helping Belebro in whatever he does to prove himself further). Use those and our reserves for the stuff we need/want. If we get another huge pile somehow, then we can commission another sweet piece of gear.
And I think your Throgrim is also beautiful and tragic, in the original greek sense. (My experience with him so far is him causally stomping everything in Total Warhammer, because I'm a filthy casual that plays on easy. So actually a lot closer to Belegor's experience so far.)
I kinda want to see what a 25 (the maximum) would look like. I admit I'm weak to shinies. Getting the Belt and Seed are still two of my favorite moments. Fuck, that belt has effectively five runes on it (2 double runes), and basically does a whole bunch of things really well. But how much better could it be? I want to find out. I want a super awesome sword (doesn't even have to be killy, though it would be nice). I want some super awesome armor (maybe a cloak of sneakiness?). That stuff is just so awesome.
Since we can now get access to Kragg or Thorek whenever for a commission like that, I'm also willing to wait. That said, I think I'll run into FOMO (fear of missing out) hard if we do commission something. How much better could it have been? And also the underlying thought of "Now those favors will be wasted if we ever want to upgrade our weapon". It's only sorta true, but that doesn't mean I don't feel that way.
Personally, I think we should go full ham on a weapon, and keep the remaining favors in reserve. There's gonna be plenty of opportunity for more favors in the future (finalising the reconquest of K8P, and then helping Belebro in whatever he does to prove himself further). Use those and our reserves for the stuff we need/want. If we get another huge pile somehow, then we can commission another sweet piece of gear.
Eh, we'd phrase it as a "Ranger's Greatsword" and I think they'd get the picture.How much can we offend Kraggs sensibilities in a single request?
Boney, how many favours would we need if we want to keep a Anvil of Doom as a footstool.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
Just something to consider given that Runic items can't be traded or sold, or for that matter upgraded we're probably going to want to get the maximum power in a runic item that we can as we're almost certainly never going to go "Gosh I wish my weapon was less useful" So if we have some one like Kragg the Grim or Thorek around we should absolutely slam down the full 20-25 favours on it.
I'd prefer not to waste favours getting whole new items built unless we absolutely have to.
I'd prefer not to waste favours getting whole new items built unless we absolutely have to.
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I think it's only the Slayers that seek out death. I suspect non-slayers do infact worship Grimnir, the Slayers simply take it to the extreme.
Some thoughts on future targets, once K8P is fully retaken (which might take a while): I think there's two big ones.
1) Black Crag. It's a huge Orc base, and will be a threat until taken care of. However, it's also a really hard target. It's what Throgrim would do. And in the long term (and I do mean long), it must be done. But I don't think it's the best.
2) Thunder Mountain. The Dragon Ogers aer apperantly not doing so hot. They also don't have easy reinforcements. Likely a much softer Target (though that doesn't mean they don't have a whole lot of nastiness in store). Why go for this? First, it should help secure the logistics further. Second: This is where they made the Anvils of Doom. We can get the two best Runelords on trying to recover the art. If that can be managed, even in a lesser form initially, it will be a great symbol that restoration is possible. Those are some of the most revered artifacts of dwarfkind, and have been lost for a long time. If Karak Eight-Peaks can be retaken, if the Anvils can be reforged, then surely the dwarven race has a future outside the mausoleum?
1) Black Crag. It's a huge Orc base, and will be a threat until taken care of. However, it's also a really hard target. It's what Throgrim would do. And in the long term (and I do mean long), it must be done. But I don't think it's the best.
2) Thunder Mountain. The Dragon Ogers aer apperantly not doing so hot. They also don't have easy reinforcements. Likely a much softer Target (though that doesn't mean they don't have a whole lot of nastiness in store). Why go for this? First, it should help secure the logistics further. Second: This is where they made the Anvils of Doom. We can get the two best Runelords on trying to recover the art. If that can be managed, even in a lesser form initially, it will be a great symbol that restoration is possible. Those are some of the most revered artifacts of dwarfkind, and have been lost for a long time. If Karak Eight-Peaks can be retaken, if the Anvils can be reforged, then surely the dwarven race has a future outside the mausoleum?
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so a couple of things to note:
1) we cant really get a set of dwarven armor. Runes need to go on metal, and heavy armor interferes with our spell casting.
2) ideally, we would remake our armor enchantment after we get to magic 8 for the improved armor save and hopefully incorporating our anti-fatigue mastery in to it. we dont need a sneak cloak, that is what our spells are for. having permanent anti-fatigue without having to recast every few minutes is another story.
3) we have other things we can spend our favor on. Therefore, we dont want to blow it all on one item. Training to use rifles and whatever weapon we get Kragg to make us is the big one. We want it because having a hero-tier teacher is a major time saver and more likely to get us traits. We might also want to go to Zhufbar and get a custom sniper rifle commissioned.
4) and as for the fear of missing out, I wouldn't worry about it considering how powerful our belt is and the fact that one of the greatest Runelords of the current era will make it. We will get something truly great with 15 favor, just not a legendary piece of equipment.
Hell, having a legendary-tier piece of equipment is potentially a bad thing. Something on the level of Ghal Maraz (which is what I imagine a 25 favor item is approaching) is attention getting. and we might not survive the kind of attention something that powerful can draw.
NeonLights
Formerly Reliable_2IC
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If there's going to be a vote on spending favor for a main weapon that'll be used until the end of the quest I'm going to vote for the 25 favor great sword since it's a good idea to spend the extra five to push it to the limit.