- Location
- canada
THANK YOU! I wish people would stop with this insanity. This is a place to have fun there is no reason to be super serious and get personal about crap.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
- Start date
- Fantasy Users' Choice!
Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
- Location
- Australia
That's why I'm voting for a Karag Nar penthouse as a public office, and then the Shrine to Ranald as a secret work area.
Better to have both be in safe areas we can get the dwarves enhance rather than somewhere outside the hold, currently not secure, and where the dwarves have never even ventured.
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
I doubt it, it is not the traditional use of a belt.
He would like hearing about a large greenskin getting wounded, but be exasperated about the silly manling doing it in a manner that could probably make Karaz-seven-and-a-half-peaks.
JaceAoT
The Architect
- Location
- The Netherlands
[X] The Grand Abyss
[X] Claim the site where Ranald mugged Mork and build a shrine to Ranald there.
[X] Write a series of papers on the magical phenomena you witnessed. Or better yet, get your Journeymanlings to do the actual writing.
[X] There's a growing concentration of royalty here. Get to know King Kazador, and this 'Sky-Thane' Prince Gotri.
[X] This is Dawongr Weber's money. The funds will largely go projects within the Karaz Ankor - your tower for one, but also investing in the Undumgi or Ulrikadrin, or purchasing goods made by Dwarven artisans or sold in the markets of Barak Varr.
[X] Claim the site where Ranald mugged Mork and build a shrine to Ranald there.
[X] Write a series of papers on the magical phenomena you witnessed. Or better yet, get your Journeymanlings to do the actual writing.
[X] There's a growing concentration of royalty here. Get to know King Kazador, and this 'Sky-Thane' Prince Gotri.
[X] This is Dawongr Weber's money. The funds will largely go projects within the Karaz Ankor - your tower for one, but also investing in the Undumgi or Ulrikadrin, or purchasing goods made by Dwarven artisans or sold in the markets of Barak Varr.
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Rule of Pride means that when called upon to craft a weapon for you, the Runesmith will tend towards creativity rather than a predictable runic combination. This has the double benefit of being more interesting.
The Jealous Runes means there can only be one of specific Master Runes, not Master Runes in general. As weapon runes are different to talismanic runes, this should not be a barrier.
One thing about the various peak top options, we can put in a terrace garden and allow Wolf some fresh air and a poop. Can't do that perched over the Abyss or the tower of a dedicated fort like the Citadel. Of course among the Halflings we can take him for walkies without hundreds of steps but the valley is not particularly good for a lab and personal vault.
Edit: Another problem with Abyss is that we'd have to get our place built from scratch including crazy arches to support it in a really inconvenient place. That should take months (years if it were humans doing it) and lots of money for the work even for us. Karags Nar and Lhune have existing rooms which we can start using in short order.
And I don't want our lab to be the first thing destroyed when Something Nasty comes from below.
Edit: Another problem with Abyss is that we'd have to get our place built from scratch including crazy arches to support it in a really inconvenient place. That should take months (years if it were humans doing it) and lots of money for the work even for us. Karags Nar and Lhune have existing rooms which we can start using in short order.
And I don't want our lab to be the first thing destroyed when Something Nasty comes from below.
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- Location
- Detroit, Michigan
[X] This is Dame Weber's money. The funds will largely go towards investment in Stirland - possibly your fief, possibly the EIC, possibly investing elsewhere within the province.
[X] Karag Nar temple
[X] There's a growing concentration of royalty here. Get to know King Kazador, and this 'Sky-Thane' Prince Gotri.
[X] Convince Esbern and Seija to stay long enough to deal with the spiders in the Chiselwards.
[X] Claim the site where Ranald mugged Mork and build a shrine to Ranald there.
[X] Convince Esbern and Seija to stay long enough to hatch the supposedly Lustrian eggs and study and possibly train whatever hatches.
[X] All this time away has made you miss your friends. Visit Anton and Wilhelmina.
[X] Karag Nar temple
[X] There's a growing concentration of royalty here. Get to know King Kazador, and this 'Sky-Thane' Prince Gotri.
[X] Convince Esbern and Seija to stay long enough to deal with the spiders in the Chiselwards.
[X] Claim the site where Ranald mugged Mork and build a shrine to Ranald there.
[X] Convince Esbern and Seija to stay long enough to hatch the supposedly Lustrian eggs and study and possibly train whatever hatches.
[X] All this time away has made you miss your friends. Visit Anton and Wilhelmina.
Asheram
Not quite altogether
- Location
- Δ Hidden Forbidden Holy Ground
How public is this area? I'm having a difficult time imagining it.
- Location
- Berkeley
[X] Write a series of papers on the magical phenomena you witnessed. Or better yet, get your Journeymanlings to do the actual writing.
[X] Scout the rest of the Eight Peaks, to find out what other horrors are waiting out there.
Two time options I feel are most important. The deep scouting should give us a starting point if for knowing if there are any ticking time bombs and if we don't write papers now memories will fade more.
While I get that people want to keep the ambers here, I don't see much use. We're going to be action-strapped anyway, better in my mind to just send the eggs to Amber college and the odds of the spiders being both sapient and possible to negotiate with are low enough for me to feel comfortable disregarding them.
[X] Karag Lhune secondary peak
Lots of room for specialized research, near Dwarf central for serving in their council, secure without us needing to invest actions, and separated enough that risky experiments are unlikely to impact others.
[X] Scout the rest of the Eight Peaks, to find out what other horrors are waiting out there.
Two time options I feel are most important. The deep scouting should give us a starting point if for knowing if there are any ticking time bombs and if we don't write papers now memories will fade more.
While I get that people want to keep the ambers here, I don't see much use. We're going to be action-strapped anyway, better in my mind to just send the eggs to Amber college and the odds of the spiders being both sapient and possible to negotiate with are low enough for me to feel comfortable disregarding them.
[X] Karag Lhune secondary peak
Lots of room for specialized research, near Dwarf central for serving in their council, secure without us needing to invest actions, and separated enough that risky experiments are unlikely to impact others.
Imrix
Periodically Malevolent QM
[X] This is Dawongr Weber's money. The funds will largely go projects within the Karaz Ankor - your tower for one, but also investing in the Undumgi or Ulrikadrin, or purchasing goods made by Dwarven artisans or sold in the markets of Barak Varr.
[X] King Belegar is allowing you to use the King's Armoury. Recover your extant study materials from Stirland and tuck them away safely in there.
[X] Convince Esbern and Seija to stay long enough to hatch the supposedly Lustrian eggs and study and possibly train whatever hatches.
[X] All this time away has made you miss your friends. Visit Anton and Wilhelmina.
[X] King Belegar is allowing you to use the King's Armoury. Recover your extant study materials from Stirland and tuck them away safely in there.
[X] Convince Esbern and Seija to stay long enough to hatch the supposedly Lustrian eggs and study and possibly train whatever hatches.
[X] All this time away has made you miss your friends. Visit Anton and Wilhelmina.
Per Grudgelore, dwarfs do plenty of looting like basically anybody else, but they prefer to use the loot as materials rather than trophies. These 'drengorlaz' have their origins carefully recorded as reminders of history, as well as the purpose to which they are put - thus the possessions, furnishings and even the architecture of a hold is invested with the history of its clans. I believe there's a note about how there's quite a few ithilmar belt buckles floating around as trophies from the War of the Beard, for example.
- Location
- Outside the Box
- Pronouns
- She/Her
@BoneyM Can we (eventually) get a scale of favors for artifacts so we can better judge what to spend? I don't think the thread has a good concept of how much favor is worth for magic items. On our first big purchase, rather than buying a 2 to 5 favor healing item, we instead spent all 9 of our College favor on an OP healing item. Then, later on, we spent all of our 15 favor on a belt where each of the three hybrid runes by themselves would be powerful enough for an artifact on its own. My point is, 15 favor isn't seen by the thread as comissioning a legendary, one-of-a-kind item. It's the minimum, the baseline floor to which even more expensive and greater items might be obtained. And I think that's nuts. Maybe we really will want to buy something like a 25 favor sword, but we just as well might be better served by a "mere" 5 favor sword, and right now people have no sane point of comparison to judge between these kinds of extremes. You have a scale of non-artifact purchases, but it's like comparing apples to oranges.
(Hopefully I'm making my point much better than my previous post where I totally flubbed it.)
[X] This is Dawongr Weber's money. The funds will largely go projects within the Karaz Ankor - your tower for one, but also investing in the Undumgi or Ulrikadrin, or purchasing goods made by Dwarven artisans or sold in the markets of Barak Varr.
[X] Karag Nar temple
[X] The Grand Abyss
[X] There's a growing concentration of royalty here. Get to know King Kazador, and this 'Sky-Thane' Prince Gotri.
[X] Scout the rest of the Eight Peaks, to find out what other horrors are waiting out there.
[X] Convince Esbern and Seija to stay long enough to deal with the spiders in the Chiselwards.
[X] Write a series of papers on the magical phenomena you witnessed. Or better yet, get your Journeymanlings to do the actual writing.
(Hopefully I'm making my point much better than my previous post where I totally flubbed it.)
[X] This is Dawongr Weber's money. The funds will largely go projects within the Karaz Ankor - your tower for one, but also investing in the Undumgi or Ulrikadrin, or purchasing goods made by Dwarven artisans or sold in the markets of Barak Varr.
[X] Karag Nar temple
[X] The Grand Abyss
[X] There's a growing concentration of royalty here. Get to know King Kazador, and this 'Sky-Thane' Prince Gotri.
[X] Scout the rest of the Eight Peaks, to find out what other horrors are waiting out there.
[X] Convince Esbern and Seija to stay long enough to deal with the spiders in the Chiselwards.
[X] Write a series of papers on the magical phenomena you witnessed. Or better yet, get your Journeymanlings to do the actual writing.
- Location
- Canada (eh)
[X] This is Dawongr Weber's money. The funds will largely go projects within the Karaz Ankor - your tower for one, but also investing in the Undumgi or Ulrikadrin, or purchasing goods made by Dwarven artisans or sold in the markets of Barak Varr.
[X] Karag Nar penthouse
The first possibility that leaps to mind is the uppermost dwelling of Karag Nar, with a beautiful 360-degree view and a commanding position. The Black Orc Warboss' reasons for taking it for his own are obvious, and though it will take some time and effort to clear out the possessions that hadn't been safely stowed in the King's Armoury, it is bursting with potential and would allow you to keep a careful eye on the Undumgi and Death Pass.
[X] Convince Esbern and Seija to stay long enough to deal with the spiders in the Chiselwards.
This suggests a future assisting Karak Eight Peaks with its reconquest, as a Spymaster focused on threats within the Karak.
[X] Claim the site where Ranald mugged Mork and build a shrine to Ranald there.
This suggests a future assisting Karak Eight Peaks, as leader of the Undumgi and point of contact for the Ulricans.
[X] Write a series of papers on the magical phenomena you witnessed. Or better yet, get your Journeymanlings to do the actual writing.
This suggests a future of investigation and study at Karak Eight Peaks, and perhaps helping Johann poke at Skaven technology.
[X] Karag Nar penthouse
The first possibility that leaps to mind is the uppermost dwelling of Karag Nar, with a beautiful 360-degree view and a commanding position. The Black Orc Warboss' reasons for taking it for his own are obvious, and though it will take some time and effort to clear out the possessions that hadn't been safely stowed in the King's Armoury, it is bursting with potential and would allow you to keep a careful eye on the Undumgi and Death Pass.
[X] Convince Esbern and Seija to stay long enough to deal with the spiders in the Chiselwards.
This suggests a future assisting Karak Eight Peaks with its reconquest, as a Spymaster focused on threats within the Karak.
[X] Claim the site where Ranald mugged Mork and build a shrine to Ranald there.
This suggests a future assisting Karak Eight Peaks, as leader of the Undumgi and point of contact for the Ulricans.
[X] Write a series of papers on the magical phenomena you witnessed. Or better yet, get your Journeymanlings to do the actual writing.
This suggests a future of investigation and study at Karak Eight Peaks, and perhaps helping Johann poke at Skaven technology.
Heretek
Techpriest of Tzeentch
[X] Karag Nar temple
[X] The Grand Abyss
[X] This is Dawongr Weber's money. The funds will largely go projects within the Karaz Ankor - your tower for one, but also investing in the Undumgi or Ulrikadrin, or purchasing goods made by Dwarven artisans or sold in the markets of Barak Varr.
[X] There's a growing concentration of royalty here. Get to know King Kazador, and this 'Sky-Thane' Prince Gotri.
[X] Write a series of papers on the magical phenomena you witnessed. Or better yet, get your Journeymanlings to do the actual writing.
[X] King Belegar is allowing you to use the King's Armoury. Recover your extant study materials from Stirland and tuck them away safely in there.
[X] The Grand Abyss
[X] This is Dawongr Weber's money. The funds will largely go projects within the Karaz Ankor - your tower for one, but also investing in the Undumgi or Ulrikadrin, or purchasing goods made by Dwarven artisans or sold in the markets of Barak Varr.
[X] There's a growing concentration of royalty here. Get to know King Kazador, and this 'Sky-Thane' Prince Gotri.
[X] Write a series of papers on the magical phenomena you witnessed. Or better yet, get your Journeymanlings to do the actual writing.
[X] King Belegar is allowing you to use the King's Armoury. Recover your extant study materials from Stirland and tuck them away safely in there.
- Location
- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
I had all these questions I wanted to ask before voting, but I couldn't and still can't find the time to follow the thread this cycle. So I just looked at the tally to see what to do with my vote before the deadline and may ask my stuff next update if it is still relevant.
[X] Scout the rest of the Eight Peaks, to find out what other horrors are waiting out there.
[X] Scout the rest of the Eight Peaks, to find out what other horrors are waiting out there.
- Location
- US of A
[X] Karag Nar temple
[X] The Grand Abyss
[X] This is Dawongr Weber's money. The funds will largely go projects within the Karaz Ankor - your tower for one, but also investing in the Undumgi or Ulrikadrin, or purchasing goods made by Dwarven artisans or sold in the markets of Barak Varr.
[X] There's a growing concentration of royalty here. Get to know King Kazador, and this 'Sky-Thane' Prince Gotri.
[X] Write a series of papers on the magical phenomena you witnessed. Or better yet, get your Journeymanlings to do the actual writing.
[X] King Belegar is allowing you to use the King's Armoury. Recover your extant study materials from Stirland and tuck them away safely in there.
[X] The Grand Abyss
[X] This is Dawongr Weber's money. The funds will largely go projects within the Karaz Ankor - your tower for one, but also investing in the Undumgi or Ulrikadrin, or purchasing goods made by Dwarven artisans or sold in the markets of Barak Varr.
[X] There's a growing concentration of royalty here. Get to know King Kazador, and this 'Sky-Thane' Prince Gotri.
[X] Write a series of papers on the magical phenomena you witnessed. Or better yet, get your Journeymanlings to do the actual writing.
[X] King Belegar is allowing you to use the King's Armoury. Recover your extant study materials from Stirland and tuck them away safely in there.
I've said that 10 favours is the conventional maximum, and higher amounts are only possible with access to the likes of Kragg and Thorek. I've said that 25 is right on the very edge of what is possible, and I've said a number of times as people name ridiculous amounts of favours that even Dwarven craftsmanship has a limit. I don't think this is a matter of misapplied scaling, I think this is just an inherent part of what a lot of Questers like, which is the biggest shiniest shineys that ever shined, and there'll always be a faction for "there is a point where we needed to stop and we have clearly passed it but let's keep going and see what happens".
That said, the previous rules of thumb still apply, which is 10 points to the favour and have at the Dwarf Army Book, and very approximately one favour per casting value for battle magic.
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- Location
- some computer lab
personally, I'll be advocating for a 20 favor greatsword, having such an amazing weapon will definitely help with getting more favor in the long run, as well as just making us more killy in general.
- Location
- Australia
[ ] Karag Nar temple
Your previous 'tower' was nothing of the sort, and perhaps you wish to continue that trend. If so, the site of you and Ranald triumphing over Gork and Mork would certainly be equally auspicious. It's a convenient distance from the population centers of the Karag and has a nearby side-entrance you could properly conceal and keep for your own use. (note: if you don't choose this as a tower, you can still use it in the future for a shrine or some other purpose. Nobody but you, Belegar, and Kragg know its significance, and everyone else just sees it as a former greenskin temple an inconvenient distance from the rest of the Karag.)
DocMatoi
Theoretical Lover of Girls
- Location
- within 2 hours of the White House
- Pronouns
- They/Them
anyone voting for the abyss, don't forget that being that far unbderground will make magic very difficult to work with- recall how mathilde could barely see in the underway and karag nar, due to the grounding effect nerfing her ulguvision
- Location
- Outside the Box
- Pronouns
- She/Her
...you mean maximum, right? Right?
Kragg: Only 10 favor? If you want a child's sharpened stick, go ask that young upstart Thorek.
- Location
- Germany
[X] This is Dawongr Weber's money. The funds will largely go projects within the Karaz Ankor - your tower for one, but also investing in the Undumgi or Ulrikadrin, or purchasing goods made by Dwarven artisans or sold in the markets of Barak Varr.
[X] Karag Nar penthouse
The first possibility that leaps to mind is the uppermost dwelling of Karag Nar, with a beautiful 360-degree view and a commanding position. The Black Orc Warboss' reasons for taking it for his own are obvious, and though it will take some time and effort to clear out the possessions that hadn't been safely stowed in the King's Armoury, it is bursting with potential and would allow you to keep a careful eye on the Undumgi and Death Pass.
[X] Citadel Tower
Third, the Citadel is being repaired of the damage that Kragg and cannon dealt to it, as well as three thousand years of neglect, and though the two towers were once a key part of its defensibility, with the only enemy approach being within the caldera that height advantage should no longer be needed. It makes for a much more traditional Wizard's Tower than one in a mountain peak, and though it's currently part of the defensive line against the untaken parts of the Karak, that also means that there'll always be plenty of protectors on hand, and perhaps you'd like to be able to help repulse any attackers.
[X] Karag Nar temple
Your previous 'tower' was nothing of the sort, and perhaps you wish to continue that trend. If so, the site of you and Ranald triumphing over Gork and Mork would certainly be equally auspicious. It's a convenient distance from the population centers of the Karag and has a nearby side-entrance you could properly conceal and keep for your own use. (note: if you don't choose this as a tower, you can still use it in the future for a shrine or some other purpose. Nobody but you, Belegar, and Kragg know its significance, and everyone else just sees it as a former greenskin temple an inconvenient distance from the rest of the Karag.)
[X] There's a growing concentration of royalty here. Get to know King Kazador, and this 'Sky-Thane' Prince Gotri.
This suggests a future assisting Karak Eight Peaks with foreign relations, as a Spymaster focused on threats outside the Karak.
[X] Convince Esbern and Seija to stay long enough to deal with the spiders in the Chiselwards.
This suggests a future assisting Karak Eight Peaks with its reconquest, as a Spymaster focused on threats within the Karak.
[X] Write a series of papers on the magical phenomena you witnessed. Or better yet, get your Journeymanlings to do the actual writing.
This suggests a future of investigation and study at Karak Eight Peaks, and perhaps helping Johann poke at Skaven technology.
[X] Convince Esbern and Seija to stay long enough to hatch the supposedly Lustrian eggs and study and possibly train whatever hatches.
This suggests a future catching up on your pre-existing study topics.
[X] All this time away has made you miss your friends. Visit Anton and Wilhelmina.
This suggests a future in Stirland, whether Roswita likes it or not.
[X] Karag Nar penthouse
The first possibility that leaps to mind is the uppermost dwelling of Karag Nar, with a beautiful 360-degree view and a commanding position. The Black Orc Warboss' reasons for taking it for his own are obvious, and though it will take some time and effort to clear out the possessions that hadn't been safely stowed in the King's Armoury, it is bursting with potential and would allow you to keep a careful eye on the Undumgi and Death Pass.
[X] Citadel Tower
Third, the Citadel is being repaired of the damage that Kragg and cannon dealt to it, as well as three thousand years of neglect, and though the two towers were once a key part of its defensibility, with the only enemy approach being within the caldera that height advantage should no longer be needed. It makes for a much more traditional Wizard's Tower than one in a mountain peak, and though it's currently part of the defensive line against the untaken parts of the Karak, that also means that there'll always be plenty of protectors on hand, and perhaps you'd like to be able to help repulse any attackers.
[X] Karag Nar temple
Your previous 'tower' was nothing of the sort, and perhaps you wish to continue that trend. If so, the site of you and Ranald triumphing over Gork and Mork would certainly be equally auspicious. It's a convenient distance from the population centers of the Karag and has a nearby side-entrance you could properly conceal and keep for your own use. (note: if you don't choose this as a tower, you can still use it in the future for a shrine or some other purpose. Nobody but you, Belegar, and Kragg know its significance, and everyone else just sees it as a former greenskin temple an inconvenient distance from the rest of the Karag.)
[X] There's a growing concentration of royalty here. Get to know King Kazador, and this 'Sky-Thane' Prince Gotri.
This suggests a future assisting Karak Eight Peaks with foreign relations, as a Spymaster focused on threats outside the Karak.
[X] Convince Esbern and Seija to stay long enough to deal with the spiders in the Chiselwards.
This suggests a future assisting Karak Eight Peaks with its reconquest, as a Spymaster focused on threats within the Karak.
[X] Write a series of papers on the magical phenomena you witnessed. Or better yet, get your Journeymanlings to do the actual writing.
This suggests a future of investigation and study at Karak Eight Peaks, and perhaps helping Johann poke at Skaven technology.
[X] Convince Esbern and Seija to stay long enough to hatch the supposedly Lustrian eggs and study and possibly train whatever hatches.
This suggests a future catching up on your pre-existing study topics.
[X] All this time away has made you miss your friends. Visit Anton and Wilhelmina.
This suggests a future in Stirland, whether Roswita likes it or not.
I did. Words are hard.
- Location
- Boston, MA
Clearly if we spend all our favors to commission a magic item and 10 is the conventional limit we should get "The Best Box"....
"Are you Solid Snake?" "Some call me that."
"Are you Solid Snake?" "Some call me that."
- Location
- Outside the Box
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Was just making a joke, sorry.
Anyways, when we do get our sword, I'm going to advocate asking for an "assasin's greatsword" rather than a just a greatsword. Cuz that's what we're good at and what we'll want to use it for, especially against enemy Orcs and Skaven. We still don't want to specify specific runes, but I think giving a general theme of what we intend to use our sword for will give better results than just specifying a point value by itself.