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[x] Kaizuki
We are convinced.
We are convinced.
Vebyast
Nascent Transhuman
Thank you, that was what I needed.
I believe that Homura's story is functionally complete without the witchbomb. I think that Mami can give Homura her full support now. Even if a witchbombed Mami was more able to support Homura, I think it would take her days to reach that point. I do not think that the witchbomb is sufficiently important to this event for Mami to grit her teeth and push through for the sake of her friends.
One of Homura's core problems is that everyone always dies and she blames herself for their deaths. You can't engage with an overarching problem by going through every individual event and individually forgiving her for every single one of them. So the details don't really matter. Even if the details did matter, the witchbomb is almost never a necessary detail: "Sayaka's gem filled up with grief and she died. You took it badly enough that you went murder-suicide. Madoka killed you to save me and it broke her." That captures everything that's relevant. Mami can still understand that Homura thinks she's wronged her and Mami can still forgive Homura for it. The only scene that'd actually lose something would be the end of the loop where Madoka asks Homura to kill her. However, even if that scene was at all relevant to Mami, even though it serves to illustrate the problem in ten gut-wrenching seconds, it is sufficient, not necessary. Homura's entire problem is that that core idea, that Homura think she's killing everyone over and over, is nowhere near being unique to that single event.
Given that the witchbomb doesn't matter for the purposes of Mami forgiving Homura, I don't think that this situation puts Mami under enough pressure for her to use it to control herself for the sake of her friends. Rather, I think that witchbombing Mami will mess her up enough that it'll be days before she's able to keep herself together enough to help Homura. Edit: Additionally, even if Mami can keep it together long enough to forgive Homura, what's stopping her from collapsing afterward? She'll have discharged her purpose and given Homura forgiveness. I don't think that this is a persistent drive that would keep her going indefinitely.
Also, remember that Homura is driven by logic, not empathy. Homura wouldn't be able to use anything Mami managed to get out through being a sobbing wreck. Mami needs to explain, calmly and in fully control, exactly why she is forgiving Homura. Otherwise Homura won't get anything out of it at all.
edit: Finally, I think that you're not thinking about the trajectory of Mami's thoughts in real time and are missing some internal blockers. Let's assume that your claim is true and Mami needs to understand the witchbomb to forgive Homura properly. I don't think she'll be able to do that kind of thinking while she's just been witchbombed. There isn't enough purpose to keep her focused on moving forward. We could try to tell her what to think beforehand, or we could try to lead her through it, but because the witchbomb doesn't matter for Homura's real problems or Mami's involvement with her real problems I don't think that Mami will be able to figure it out while being witchbombed.
edit edit: I don't think that we gain anything by witchbombing Mami right here and right now. Say that we witchbomb Mami three days from now, help her get over it entirely, and then ask her if there's anything she needs to change about her response to Homura's story or what she thinks of Homura. I think the only change is related to the specific event of Madoka asking Homura to kill her, which is entirely unrelated to Mami. I think that Mami would not find anything different that she wanted to go back to tell to Homura.
The rest of your argument sounds like the usual "we should witchbomb her ASAP because kyubey could do it any time he wants." This has been the case since the start of the quest. It is the same scenario that we're in with the potentialbomb and Homura, and the same problem applies: I don't see why witchbombing Mami is any safer or better now than it was last week.
Finally, I just plain do not want to interrupt Homura's story with this. I do not think that we can eat our cake and have it too. I think that in order for us to gain any benefit from your proposal we'd have to witchbomb Mami before she reacts to Homura's story. I think that that would take far too much attention away from Homura. This is time for us to be helping Homura, not Mami.
Also, a clarification: I thought that I'd heard that the "Mami survives the witchbomb because she's under pressure and has to push through it to save her friends" narrative actually ended with Mami getting past the under-pressure situation and then going off and quietly committing suicide after things were over. I am certain that I am confused, but I would like to confirm that with some actual details.
Okay, fine, that was actually because I had so much trouble reading that post that I assumed that it was exactly like the last four walls that kaizuki posted.
Here are the parts the gave me trouble:
I couldn't make it past that; every time I tried my eyes just skipped over the rest of the post.
edit: I asked those questions because they needed answers. There are a lot of questions because this is a complex situation and our actions have many effects that need to be considered. I built my argument above off of those questions.
- How would Mami react? Emotion.
- How would Homura react to Mami's reaction? She wouldn't be able to use anything Mami said because Mami will be too fucked up to present a rational argument.
- How long would it take Mami to recover? Too long for us to eat our cake and have it too.
- What would Mami do that we wouldn't have a way to deal with? This situation isn't important enough for her to grit her teeth.
- Why is doing it now better than doing it later? This is time for us to be focusing on Homura, not Mami.
- What would we do to help Mami? Telling her to push through won't work.
- What do we gain by doing it now? I don't see how Mami's response would change. Even if it did change, I don't see why it's so important to do it all at once instead of half now and half later.
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If you want to try to witchbomb Mami right after Homura finishes, vote to try to witchbomb Mami right after Homura finishes.
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i actually agree with veybast on this one
droping the witchbomb here will not help homura, it will cause massive stress to mami and will in all likelyhood derail this conversation away from helping homura working with her trauma from the loops
droping the witchbomb here will not help homura, it will cause massive stress to mami and will in all likelyhood derail this conversation away from helping homura working with her trauma from the loops
Vebyast
Nascent Transhuman
You know, if that's the Way To Help Mami Survive the Witchbomb - and it makes sense that it is, because what better way is there to dispel "I'm not helping anyone" than "I NEED YOU GO TO SAVE THOSE GIRLS' LIVES" - there's a thought.
The best possible moment for Mami to be witchbombed is right when we need her the most. That gives her the greatest motivation to push through it because innocent people need her RIGHT NOW.
The moment that Kyubey will choose to witchbomb Mami is right when we need her the most.
It's classic Kyubey: It'd work a ninety-nine times out of a hundred, but with us in play it's a grave miscalculation based on his fundamental lack of understanding of emotion and what people are capable of doing for their friends.
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"Why would Kyubey do that?"
-- Long ago, to Akemi Homura
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@AuraTwilight, could I invite you to speak on how forgiving and accepting someone are two very, very different things and how understanding someone (or not) impacts your ability to support them?
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No thanks. I'd much rather see what gets told and in what way before I decide to vote to pull the trigger on something as important as this. I think I'd have to be an idiot to not do that, because the absence of the witchbomb in Homura's story might very well leave behind a bunch of plotholes... or not, depending on how much gets glazed over where. What approach should be taken is going to vary greatly depending on that sort of thing. If Mami picks up on something like that immediately -- something like, oh, I dunno...
"Why would Kyubey do that?"
... then it would make a real lot of sense to offer the witchbomb off the bat. Otherwise, it might flow a lot better to finish telling whatever supporting bits we have to offer first, and offer the witchbomb second.
AuraTwilight
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I could speak on that, but I think that there's no way the Witchbomb proposal will be at all relevant to the CURRENT vote and am preferring to feel out how Mami and Homura are doing after the story is shared. I agree with Veb's sentiment that Mami's reaction to the witchbomb might undermine Mami's ability to give Homura what she needs in the moment and the next few days.
Vebyast
Nascent Transhuman
I don't think that the witchbomb is relevant to Homura's relationship with Madoka. Homura's beliefs about her relationship with Madoka are the product of one loop at the very beginning followed by hundred loops of failure. The event where Madoka asks Homura to help her commit suicide rather than witch out is illustrative, maybe even sufficient, but not necessary.
I have probably the worst memory of anyone in this conversation, the transcripts are apparently no longer available online, and I don't have time to rewatch the entire series. Can you pull out more context or give me an ep number and rough timestamp?
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[x]Kaizuki
Given that something similar was keyed to the idea that magical girls could use grief seeds in canon PMKM, I do think Niko's perception filter would like work for that purpose. If Mami chose to accept such a thing, it would at the very least give her reassurance that she would only learn at the time and place of her choosing as long as she wore it. Beyond that, it could give her time to center herself so she could process everything with a clear head.
The exact form is variable, and could be redone to include other options as well, but something like [] You talked about Anri having dangerous knowledge before and, as things progress, we may run into people who would deliberately use that kind of knowledge as a weapon. You've been thinking and one possible solution might be using Niko's perception filter as a way to either prevent that or give Mami a time and place to center herself in the aftermath if she needed it. Would she like something like that as insurance?
(I'd considered doing it tonight, but if everything looks like that's a bad spot, then sometime during the next few days.)
I'll be honest, as far as subverting the deadline here goes, I'm more interested in raising the idea of getting Niko's perception filters than preempting the bomb by dropping it before Kyuubey can get to it.
Given that something similar was keyed to the idea that magical girls could use grief seeds in canon PMKM, I do think Niko's perception filter would like work for that purpose. If Mami chose to accept such a thing, it would at the very least give her reassurance that she would only learn at the time and place of her choosing as long as she wore it. Beyond that, it could give her time to center herself so she could process everything with a clear head.
The exact form is variable, and could be redone to include other options as well, but something like [] You talked about Anri having dangerous knowledge before and, as things progress, we may run into people who would deliberately use that kind of knowledge as a weapon. You've been thinking and one possible solution might be using Niko's perception filter as a way to either prevent that or give Mami a time and place to center herself in the aftermath if she needed it. Would she like something like that as insurance?
(I'd considered doing it tonight, but if everything looks like that's a bad spot, then sometime during the next few days.)
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Dude. That's the scene where she tells everyone everything, Sayaka sides with QB against her, and Mami doesn't buy it. It's the same loop as tetris, the gem shooting, and everything else that went on to define Homura's personal hell.
The entire "Kyubey is out to destroy everything we know and love so you wouldn't believe me when I tried to convince all of you about this, and I gave up on working with you because you couldn't handle it and you all hated me and etcetera" is literally the witchbomb. None of it is remotely extant without it. I'm deeply interested in what all Homura is going to tell and what all she's going to omit, because, uh, literally all of the major trauma is bundled up with the witchbomb. Lichbomb alone wasn't going to alienate Mami/Homu, and while Homura could try to sell that things went as "WPN wins every time so I don't want Madoka to fight it" or somesuch... It's completely absent, again, 90% of the suffering.
I'm behind you on this for the most part. There are some scenarios where I might want to do it immediately, but they're pretty remote (Homura would have to bungle something and leave behind a pretty obvious plothole that causes Mami to go "wait what", which I won't rule out but think is probably not going to happen). It's almost certainly better to make the offer after Mami reacts to what's on the table at the current time, which, uh...
Lemme edit in a "comment" and a "react".
[x] Let Homura tell it her way
-[X] Give her whatever support she needs to be able to tell it HER way. Support her unreservedly, help her get through the rough bits, deploy whatever hugs are necessary. Being able to share this should help her a lot.
-[X] If Homura chooses to make herself out to be worse than you know she is at points, use subtlety to communicate to Mami that you don't agree with it while not interrupting the story.
[X] When Homura is done: pause slightly to let Mami ask questions / think / comment / react before it's your turn to relate things, then break.
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I mean... We have word of Firn that this won't be our last opportunity and that Homu can explain things without needing to drop that bomb...
Just saying...
Just saying...
AuraTwilight
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The timestamp is right after the second timeline where Homura blurts that Kyubey is tricking all of them, and Sayaka immediately accuses Homura of working with Kyouko.
As for the first part... well. I'd argue it's sort of necessary to REALLY understand Homura, because the moment Homura was asked to kill MAdoka was the moment Madoka became Princess Purlipat in Homura's Nutcracker allegoryscape.
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Right, I'm sorry, I should have recognized that I needed to write this a lot sooner, because I've been arguing pretty much everything except why the current vote should be what I'm voting.
So, the thing is, the witchbomb is inextricably tied into Homura's story. At the end of the day it's the chief reason that Homura fails to work with Mami or Sayaka, it's the entire reason that Kyubey does what he does, it's the entire reason behind Homura's compulsive need to not let Madoka contract (which is in turn the entire reason behind like 80% of what she does), it's the entire reason behind almost everything.
You cannot, that is, can. Not. "just omit it" from the story. To make up for its absence, you are absolutely, one hundred percent forced to either inject some sort + quantity of lies, rely on your listener just not questioning why some things simply don't make sense, or drastically whitewash huge parts of the story.
You can get really, really creative trying to circumvent this, but inevitably end up running into one of those things that it's the chief driver for. Why didn't Homura work with Mami? Well, you can black out the part about Kyubey's motives being the witchbomb if you kind of let people think it's just after contracts or something. So maybe it was just because Homura desperately wanted Madoka to contract, because, let's say that it's just that every time she contracts she dies -- wait, shit, now we're telling outright lies of commission. So maybe we can just kind of... not explain why Homura is obsessed with not having Madoka contract? Erm, well, now we're relying on our listener just not asking questions. Shit.
This is stuff I don't really think about when I'm posting here most of the time, because it's the kind of stuff I idly consider when I'm bored. It's hit the normalcy threshold for me.
But the thing is, when I first read the previous post, I actually immediately assumed the witchbomb was getting dropped -- because I've spent so long thinking about how to tell Homura's story without it and every time I run into one or more of those issues: lies, giving your listener questions you really don't want asked, or massive whitewashing.
But it's not getting dropped -- that's WoG. I've had to realize that Homura doesn't exactly have my perspective on this, and that means... something.
This is the chief reason why I'm specifically pushing the vote -- not the ideas, the vote -- that I am pushing. Because I dunno what kind of story you guys are expecting to be told here, but if the witchbomb isn't in it, it's going to be one or more of (massively whitewashed, gives listener a lot of questions you were hoping to avoid, contains outright lies). And where we go after that isn't going to be so clear as it would be if this were a hypothetical version of the story where the witchbomb gets "perfectly omitted", because whatever is told is going to have issues.
What do we do if it contains lies? Do we disclaim that it's not the full version, and note that [secrets] are a preq for that? Something else? Just kind of play along?
What do we do if it's massively whitewashed? How can we vote on things to follow it if we don't even know what parts will be in and what parts won't?
What do we do if it gives Mami capital-Q Questions about, say, why exactly Homura is so obsessed with not having Madoka contract? She won't air them without a go-ahead, but what do we do with it? Do we just tell her not to ask? Do we tell her that it's not the full version and that [secrets] are a preq for that? Do we just say nothing?
I've basically been laying out the points of an argument that in a number of those situations, we should in fact tell Mami that there is a "full version" and that there's a big harmful secret she'd need to know in order to hear it, and that A) it would hurt her tons and that B) it would help Homura tons.
But that's not exactly pertinent to what we're voting on right now. And this -- this is. This is why I want to break after Homura is done. Cuz I dunno about you guys but I've tried to tell this story without any of those three things, and it don't work. Not with anything resembling what we think of as the whole story.
I'm not keen on voting past Homura's telling for that reason.
If Homura somehow pulls this off perfectly and actually includes everything you're all hoping to see without referencing the witchbomb, I will actually go outside without a coat and let myself get rained on for like half an hour.
So, the thing is, the witchbomb is inextricably tied into Homura's story. At the end of the day it's the chief reason that Homura fails to work with Mami or Sayaka, it's the entire reason that Kyubey does what he does, it's the entire reason behind Homura's compulsive need to not let Madoka contract (which is in turn the entire reason behind like 80% of what she does), it's the entire reason behind almost everything.
You cannot, that is, can. Not. "just omit it" from the story. To make up for its absence, you are absolutely, one hundred percent forced to either inject some sort + quantity of lies, rely on your listener just not questioning why some things simply don't make sense, or drastically whitewash huge parts of the story.
You can get really, really creative trying to circumvent this, but inevitably end up running into one of those things that it's the chief driver for. Why didn't Homura work with Mami? Well, you can black out the part about Kyubey's motives being the witchbomb if you kind of let people think it's just after contracts or something. So maybe it was just because Homura desperately wanted Madoka to contract, because, let's say that it's just that every time she contracts she dies -- wait, shit, now we're telling outright lies of commission. So maybe we can just kind of... not explain why Homura is obsessed with not having Madoka contract? Erm, well, now we're relying on our listener just not asking questions. Shit.
This is stuff I don't really think about when I'm posting here most of the time, because it's the kind of stuff I idly consider when I'm bored. It's hit the normalcy threshold for me.
But the thing is, when I first read the previous post, I actually immediately assumed the witchbomb was getting dropped -- because I've spent so long thinking about how to tell Homura's story without it and every time I run into one or more of those issues: lies, giving your listener questions you really don't want asked, or massive whitewashing.
But it's not getting dropped -- that's WoG. I've had to realize that Homura doesn't exactly have my perspective on this, and that means... something.
This is the chief reason why I'm specifically pushing the vote -- not the ideas, the vote -- that I am pushing. Because I dunno what kind of story you guys are expecting to be told here, but if the witchbomb isn't in it, it's going to be one or more of (massively whitewashed, gives listener a lot of questions you were hoping to avoid, contains outright lies). And where we go after that isn't going to be so clear as it would be if this were a hypothetical version of the story where the witchbomb gets "perfectly omitted", because whatever is told is going to have issues.
What do we do if it contains lies? Do we disclaim that it's not the full version, and note that [secrets] are a preq for that? Something else? Just kind of play along?
What do we do if it's massively whitewashed? How can we vote on things to follow it if we don't even know what parts will be in and what parts won't?
What do we do if it gives Mami capital-Q Questions about, say, why exactly Homura is so obsessed with not having Madoka contract? She won't air them without a go-ahead, but what do we do with it? Do we just tell her not to ask? Do we tell her that it's not the full version and that [secrets] are a preq for that? Do we just say nothing?
I've basically been laying out the points of an argument that in a number of those situations, we should in fact tell Mami that there is a "full version" and that there's a big harmful secret she'd need to know in order to hear it, and that A) it would hurt her tons and that B) it would help Homura tons.
But that's not exactly pertinent to what we're voting on right now. And this -- this is. This is why I want to break after Homura is done. Cuz I dunno about you guys but I've tried to tell this story without any of those three things, and it don't work. Not with anything resembling what we think of as the whole story.
I'm not keen on voting past Homura's telling for that reason.
If Homura somehow pulls this off perfectly and actually includes everything you're all hoping to see without referencing the witchbomb, I will actually go outside without a coat and let myself get rained on for like half an hour.
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Raiseth
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@Kaizuki. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't your vote make more sense then if you choose to discuss things with Homura beforehand?
Why are you voting to let Homura tell it as she wants to if you have absolutely no intention to actually let her tell it how she wants to?
And no, I don't think that running extensive commentary after her story about everything she said and didn't say is "letting her to tell her story in her own way".
I kinda thought that the whole letting her do it herself business is about a giant leap of faith for everyone involved, not a premise to expand on by spinning our version.
Maybe I'm naive or conceited, I dunno?
I mean, I don't say your concerns are invalidated, but your presentation doesn't make sense. To me, at least. Please explain.
Why are you voting to let Homura tell it as she wants to if you have absolutely no intention to actually let her tell it how she wants to?
And no, I don't think that running extensive commentary after her story about everything she said and didn't say is "letting her to tell her story in her own way".
I kinda thought that the whole letting her do it herself business is about a giant leap of faith for everyone involved, not a premise to expand on by spinning our version.
Maybe I'm naive or conceited, I dunno?
I mean, I don't say your concerns are invalidated, but your presentation doesn't make sense. To me, at least. Please explain.
Vebyast
Nascent Transhuman
False.
It is stronger with the next sentence:
But that next sentence isn't actually necessary. The truth of witches only changes the constant on the front of each girl's value to kyubey and how horribly they die. Kyubey still has to ensure they die. That is what Homura couldn't explain. Like, we just had this conversation: Homura couldn't convince them because she didn't have a motivation for kyubey.
A lot of Madokas die without witching out. Homura still feels guilty about them.
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AuraTwilight
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We could simply have Sabrina say, "That's not a question Homura can answer right now, this is a lot of progress for her as is, it's related to the thing I can't tell you, so let's hold off right now"?
Raiseth
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Like, there are three possible situations in this scenario
1) Homura witchbombs Mami without any warning or provocation after firsthand witnessing the Tetris debacle.
2) Homura doesn't Witchbomb Mami and manages to tell a consistent story even while omitting certain details.
3) Homura doesn't Witchbomb Mami and doesn't manage to tell a fully consistent story.
I would bet on 2 myself, you know. I am betting on 2 by having voted as I did.
1 isn't realistic in any way, shape or form that I can imagine.
That leaves us three.
Firstly, I would have said that it doesn't make sense to plan for it, since if it happens, we can discuss it then instead of doing it now, but whatever are we gonna instead while waiting for the update, right?
Secondly, if Mami asks questions, Homura will be the first one to field them. If she passes the ball to us, then it's our turn, not before.
Thirdly, any question that contains sensitive information can be answered by "sorry, still secrets". I mean, we can Witchbomb Mami, sure, but we also can not-Witchbomb Mami. There are more options than just "mangle the conversation horribly unless we tell Mami she's gonna be a teenage Witch", I believe.
1) Homura witchbombs Mami without any warning or provocation after firsthand witnessing the Tetris debacle.
2) Homura doesn't Witchbomb Mami and manages to tell a consistent story even while omitting certain details.
3) Homura doesn't Witchbomb Mami and doesn't manage to tell a fully consistent story.
I would bet on 2 myself, you know. I am betting on 2 by having voted as I did.
1 isn't realistic in any way, shape or form that I can imagine.
That leaves us three.
Firstly, I would have said that it doesn't make sense to plan for it, since if it happens, we can discuss it then instead of doing it now, but whatever are we gonna instead while waiting for the update, right?
Secondly, if Mami asks questions, Homura will be the first one to field them. If she passes the ball to us, then it's our turn, not before.
Thirdly, any question that contains sensitive information can be answered by "sorry, still secrets". I mean, we can Witchbomb Mami, sure, but we also can not-Witchbomb Mami. There are more options than just "mangle the conversation horribly unless we tell Mami she's gonna be a teenage Witch", I believe.
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Raiseth
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Probably? I'm wary of being sure about anything as my life creed.
If even Firn isn't ( according to him ) fully in control of what his characters say and do, how can we be sure of anything happening exactly how we think it would? Control is an illusion.
Like cakes or absolute justice or Jupiter. ( I'm just saying I haven't met anyone who has been to it, so who's to say Jupiter isn't a global conspiracy set to cover up the costs of giant laser murder telescopes, huh?
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remember
we are to help homura, we are to follow her lead, not take over or control this conversation
this isnt our story to tell, it was hers for years before we were ever born,
we are to help homura, we are to follow her lead, not take over or control this conversation
this isnt our story to tell, it was hers for years before we were ever born,
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[JK] OMGOMGOMGOMGOMG
-[JK] Hug Homura, give her lots of hugs
-[JK] Also prepare soup and fluffy blankets!
-[JK] Hug Homura, give her lots of hugs
-[JK] Also prepare soup and fluffy blankets!
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you know, we really shouldnt bomb mami yet, especialy during this conversation when homura needs support and not a mami freaking out from an earth shattering revelation of cosmic horror porportions
but we know she has had a lot of students and friends that left her for some reason or another, its likely a big part of her breakdowns around it that she likely has unknowingly turned her students and friends into witches. and has likely taken them down not knowing the truth behind their suffering
we should try to figure out how to create a reverse version of our ability to determine the name of a magical girls witch, so we can figure out who a witch really is, it will be able to help locate the girls friends and such, and at least inform them that their friend is'nt dead.
there has to be a ton of people who honestly have no idea their friend or teammate went witch. they probably just know that they disapeared one day after they had been down for a while.
when a witch hatches they drag their own body into their labyrinth, which means a lot of missing persons cases.
god
have we looked up missing persons cases of preteen and teenage girls? its morbid but there is likely a ton of them in this universe, and we could use them to try to track down or figure out magical girl population distribution
but we know she has had a lot of students and friends that left her for some reason or another, its likely a big part of her breakdowns around it that she likely has unknowingly turned her students and friends into witches. and has likely taken them down not knowing the truth behind their suffering
we should try to figure out how to create a reverse version of our ability to determine the name of a magical girls witch, so we can figure out who a witch really is, it will be able to help locate the girls friends and such, and at least inform them that their friend is'nt dead.
there has to be a ton of people who honestly have no idea their friend or teammate went witch. they probably just know that they disapeared one day after they had been down for a while.
when a witch hatches they drag their own body into their labyrinth, which means a lot of missing persons cases.
god
have we looked up missing persons cases of preteen and teenage girls? its morbid but there is likely a ton of them in this universe, and we could use them to try to track down or figure out magical girl population distribution