Puella Magi Adfligo Systema

So... Votes? I guess I should revisit mine.

Edit: THIS CAT SPEAKS THE WORD OF GOD!

Yes, votes indeed would be nice!

I'm no good at politics, and I suspect that the rest of the thread is similarly out of its depth, but we know for sure that some of our friends can handle this - In particular, Madoka, Sayaka, and Hitomi are apparently vicious. You know how we depend on our friends in fights and when we're trying to make people feel better? Well, we can depend on our friends here.

[x] Talk to Sayaka on the way back...
-[x] Try to come up with a good way to include Madoka and Hitomi in the political analysis. Audio recordings, a phone running in a pocket, verbal debriefings, something else? You don't want to bother them at class or put too much stress on them or Homura, and there isn't a chance in heck that you can take either of them to Tokyo in person.

As for the memory magic: Call Mami, call our friends in Asunaro, call Kirika, get everyone working on defenses. Again, we have friends who are better at this than we are.

[x] When you get back:
-[x] Brainmail Umika, Kirika, and Mami. Tokyo is apparently run by a mindfuckguca and you would appreciate defenses. Any tips or ideas for equipment?

Vebyast said:

I'm no good at politics, and I suspect that the rest of the thread is similarly out of its depth, but we know for sure that some of our friends can handle this - In particular, Madoka, Sayaka, and Hitomi are apparently vicious. You know how we depend on our friends in fights and when we're trying to make people feel better? Well, we can depend on our friends here.

[x] Talk to Sayaka on the way back...
-[x] Try to come up with a good way to include Madoka and Hitomi in the political analysis. Audio recordings, a phone running in a pocket, verbal debriefings, something else? You don't want to bother them at class or put too much stress on them or Homura, and there isn't a chance in heck that you can take either of them to Tokyo in person.

As for the memory magic: Call Mami, call our friends in Asunaro, call Kirika, get everyone working on defenses. Again, we have friends who are better at this than we are.

[x] When you get back:
-[x] Brainmail Umika, Kirika, and Mami. Tokyo is apparently run by a mindfuckguca and you would appreciate defenses. Any tips or ideas for equipment?

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*Points at earlier post by self*

[X] Enchant Grief multitask
[X] Sayaka criticizes involving Madoka and Hitomi in Tokyo negotiations - by email? Her other ideas?
[X] Telepathy
-[X] Mami - Check in, and express desire to learn her mental defense skill.

Thank you, @Kaizuki

-[X] Umika - explain risk profile, Tokyo, etc. Ask for help in defense, training Sayaka.
-[X] Niko - relate Oaski visit, inquire if she can help with defense or communication. Mention there are other things to talk about.
-[X] Kirika - ask her to consider cognitive anti-magic, explain setting.

(Tower of Iron Will intensifies...)

-[X] Homura - explain Osaki, Toshimichi, set next talk for details.
[X] IRC
-[X] Find new Chinese server
-[X] Try #milesgloriousus, vette new server reputation. Ask for their experience with mind magic groups.

Work the laziness out of this vote! Plenty of room left, not sure what I'm not focused on... something else needs doing.

Discuss how Madoka and Hitomi can be part of the diplomatic team with Sayaka. Can we do most of our conversation by email, allowing both Chiyoda and ourselves to think carefully as a team? The memory powers probably don't work like an urban myth horror story such as The Ring. Abstraction should mean safety. Now if only we could fictionalize the circumstance and obtain a few insights from Madoka's mother... or Shin for that matter.

This afternoon, we can IRC with a new group. After that, also see if #milesgloriousus girls are available. Ask if they have any past experience when we prompt them about needing to negotiate with a team using memory powers.

Set up a dialog with Chiyoda tonight over SMS. By then, the news of our visit will have been processed. We don't really want to drag it out any more than that. If they need to be first, get on with it. A lot of our choices depend upon the thoughts these girls have.

We need to research mind protection, and an alternative to open channel telepathy.

Why secure comms now? If we will need to conduct extended diplomacy, a better way to move information that doesn't burn up, what was the number of hours in transit? is absolutely required. Our time is valuable, people need us to reach them sooner rather than later.

Vebyast said:

I'm no good at politics, and I suspect that the rest of the thread is similarly out of its depth, but we know for sure that some of our friends can handle this -

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All politics is local, they say. Let me assert that the problem is solvable with some substitutions. I would not quickly dismiss your political ability, let's do what is possible.
We don't need to join Tokyo politics, and in fact we better not. We just need to make the one change on our agenda. As long as the individuals involved can live well, they can freely waste that life on pointless debate. I expect not everyone will do that. We have a city too, and they have feet if they feel like using them.

Of all the times for me to be sick and largely unable to think heavily.

I'mma frankenvote Kaizuki and Vebyast, cause I like elements of both.

[X] Sayaka
-[X] You're fairly sure you understand at least some of what happened with the Meiji group, but the details are up in the air, and everything to do with it is, well, cloak-and-dagger. As for why they're opposing engaging you, though...
-[X] Try to come up with a good way to include Madoka and Hitomi in the political analysis. Audio recordings, a phone running in a pocket, verbal debriefings, something else? You don't want to bother them at class or put too much stress on them or Homura, and there isn't a chance in heck that you can take either of them to Tokyo in person.

[X] Mami, by telepathy
-[X] Say hi, make sure she's not too busy
--[X] Ask about defending/defeating mental magics in general. Between Rionna and now Tokyo, you'd been thinking about some kind of defense for that sort of thing, and if it were possible through enchantment...

[x] Shadowhisker

Looks very similar to what I was planning.

Shadowhisker said:

-[X] Try to come up with a good way to include Madoka and Hitomi in the political analysis. Audio recordings, a phone running in a pocket, verbal debriefings, something else? You don't want to bother them at class or put too much stress on them or Homura, and there isn't a chance in heck that you can take either of them to Tokyo in person.

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I'll tell you now, exposing Madoka's existence to a questionably trustworthy (in the sense that we aren't already/instantly friends with them) of foreign meguca is going to generate pushback. Homura doesn't want her involved, period, much less with this. The measures proposed to restrict her visibility are good but won't make Homura not push back against it.

*Sighs*

That's not really a problem with this plan as much as it is a symptom of our failure to meaningfully address the Homura-Madoka dynamic. Which...

Which is something I'm mulling over in addition to a bunch of other stuff to do with Homura. We haven't... There's a lot of things we haven't.

*Shakes head*

At any rate... I didn't include that section for a reason. If we want to go that way I'd like to speak with Homura first... Though, god, there's so much to talk with her about... Ay yi yi yi yi...

[x] Kaizuki

driveby voting! And away......

[X] Kaizuki

So it's probable somebody has already made this observation before, but it suddenly hit me, and it needs to be said.

If Sabrina is representative of Sufficient Velocity, does that make Homura SB?

• She received magical girl powers, and logically decided to fight her enemies instead with her stolen supply of illegal but otherwise completely mundane military ordinance. Because guns.
• Hyper-competent in a few skillsets
• She latched onto and became obsessed with one girl in particular, and would go to any lengths to protect her.
• She has good intentions, but also has a history of going way too far in pursuit of her goals because "restraint" isn't in her vocabulary.
• She absolutely cannot into social.
• She struggles to resist the sunk cost fallacy.
• Again, not a bad person, but she's probably going to break the planet at some point.

Rem said:

So it's probable somebody has already made this observation before, but it suddenly hit me, and it needs to be said.

If Sabrina is representative of Sufficient Velocity, does that make Homura SB?

• She received magical girl powers, and logically decided to fight her enemies instead with her stolen supply of illegal but otherwise completely mundane military ordinance. Because guns.
• Hyper-competent in a few skillsets
• She latched onto and became obsessed with one girl in particular, and would go to any lengths to protect her.
• She has good intentions, but also has a history of going way too far in pursuit of her goals because "restraint" isn't in her vocabulary.
• She's absolutely cannot into social.
• She struggles to resist the sunk cost fallacy.
• Again, not a bad person, but she's probably going to break the planet at some point.

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Less hilarious, but consider also: She's also Sabrina's mother, and Sabrina was born from her failure.

We're totally hosed if we try to handle this ourselves; politics would already be painful, and throwing in mind magic puts the situation well past us. Sabrina's weapon is a hammer for a reason. We need to get our friends involved, and Sayaka telling us that Hitomi and Madoka are terrifying politicians is exactly the kind of stroke of luck that Madokami would hand us for this kind of thing.

Vebyast said:

We're totally hosed if we try to handle this ourselves; politics would already be painful, and throwing in mind magic puts the situation well past us. Sabrina's weapon is a hammer for a reason. We need to get our friends involved, and Sayaka telling us that Hitomi and Madoka are terrifying politicians is exactly the kind of stroke of luck that Madokami would hand us for this kind of thing.

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We'll need to convince Homura that involving Madoka in this wouldn't be irresponsible of us considering her safety.

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We'll need to convince Homura that involving Madoka in this wouldn't be irresponsible of us considering her safety.

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Didn't we have a talk earlier about giving Madoka a means to help without contracting?

Godwinson said:

We'll need to convince Homura that involving Madoka in this wouldn't be irresponsible of us considering her safety.

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Yep. I think that we reuse the arguments we had about helping Madoka feel like she's doing something. Additionally, I think that it might be enough to get Madoka and Hitomi good recordings and let them pore over them to produce analyses, and getting recordings is already something we need to do if there are mindfuckgucas in play.

Muramasa said:

Didn't we have a talk earlier about giving Madoka a means to help without contracting?

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Yes, we did, but the reasoning we gave was something that shielded her from interacting with outside magical girls. Introducing Madoka to unknown magical girls is going to cause Homura problems.

Vebyast said:

Yep. I think that we reuse the arguments we had about helping Madoka feel like she's doing something. Additionally, I think that it might be enough to get Madoka and Hitomi good recordings and let them pore over them to produce analyses, and getting recordings is already something we need to do if there are mindfuckgucas in play.

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Yeah, we don't want to bring Madoka of all people into an improperly analyzed environment, and not just because Homura might kneecap us for suggesting it.

Godwinson said:

Yeah, we don't want to bring Madoka of all people into an improperly analyzed environment, and not just because Homura might kneecap us for suggesting it.

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Yeah. The closest Madoka gets to this situation is sixty miles away, listening through a phone in our pocket and feeding us inferences by telepathy. And we might not even need that.

Vebyast said:

Yeah. The closest Madoka gets to this situation is sixty miles away, listening through a phone in our pocket and feeding us inferences by telepathy. And we might not even need that.

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I think we're going to get a lot of unwanted questions from our friends not in the know if we tried to set it up that way.

Muramasa said:

I think we're going to get a lot of unwanted questions from our friends not in the know if we tried to set it up that way.

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I'm not sure what you mean by that. Might just be because I haven't been paying attention for a while and have forgotten something, but which friends are those?

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I'm not sure what you mean by that. Might just be because I haven't been paying attention for a while and have forgotten something, but which friends are those?

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Ah. Was thinking it would be weird to say Madoka has to stay home but Hitomi can come? And me thinking something like that comes off strange. Granted I'm kinda half asleep right now.

Muramasa said:

Ah. Was thinking it would be weird to say Madoka has to stay home but Hitomi can come? And me thinking something like that come off strange. Granted I'm kinda half asleep right now.

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Oh. Yeah, I was thinking that Hitomi has no more business being "on the ground" than Madoka does and they'd both be better placed on the other end of a phone line doing analysis. If for no other reason than it'd give us two people spotting for memory stuff and able to go back and forth about their analysis in a lower-stress environment where they're able to talk freely and think out loud, which is good for that kind of thing.

Re: that one Sabrina outfit that Sabrina would actually never wear.


I've had this design in my head for far too long. It's actually based off of one of the outfits mentioned ic, can't find it though.

I prefer Sabrina in the clubbing outfit.