Puella Magi Adfligo Systema
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DB_Explorer
Purveyor of alternate realities.
- Location
- San Diego, California
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- He/Him
Immediate dewitch and she demands some cuddles : P
Script Mak3r
(Verified Sun God) (Verified Feathers)
- Location
- Hell of Blazing Fires
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Then again, it'd be a lie if we said we didn't love Homura.
0th Law
The Promethean Rose
- Location
- 5 Minutes into the Future
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- They/Them
Not just Homura-mama, there's also Madoka-mama, don't forget about her!Then again, it'd be a lie if we said we didn't love Homura.
On a completely unrelated note, do you think it would be cool to give ourselves heterochromia? One red, one green, perhaps?
Torgamous
Aspiring Gynoid
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- She/Her
At some point people will start to wonder if we're a time traveling Nagisa.
0th Law
The Promethean Rose
- Location
- 5 Minutes into the Future
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Well, we'd want Complete Heterochromia, not Central Heterochromia, ideally...
Wait, what if we gave ourselves Red & Green Central Heterochromia, adopted Nagisa as a sister, then Griefhacked up some tech to make Madoka, Homura, Mami, Nagisa, and us to be the proper ages for any of that to theoretically make any sense. It's worth a shot, at least.
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Appletank
Acquire Cheese
just make our eyes change colors constantly.
SaltyWaffles
I am dissapoint, son
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- He/Him
Guys...it might just be that we need to keep feeding Aurora Hope-flavored magic until we reach a critical threshold. Just like a Soul Gem needs enough Grief to reach a critical threshold to turn into a Witch. We should keep feeding it Hope-flavored magic all day, except when sleeping or fighting, until something happens.
DB_Explorer
Purveyor of alternate realities.
- Location
- San Diego, California
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- He/Him
We need more grief seeds to do proper controls >__<
Also add in grief seeds with DIFFERENT types of feelings feed to them.
Also add in grief seeds with DIFFERENT types of feelings feed to them.
The Phoenixian
The Glacier Witch
- Location
- My own little world
Yeah, my main concrete thoughts here are that the reassuring preamble strategy we've used before may be worth repeating and that it needs to be short and sweet to not grind against Kyouko. Possible points being that Kyouko has a right to know, that we don't want her to feel pressured into things, especially because of a debt she feels she owes, and maybe that our fear of this is why we've waited so long. (Because I do think that last bit is true. If we didn't fear the metabomb we wouldn't have named it as such or avoided it with such worry.)
In any case, just to have something out today:
[X] Firnvote
[X] Meet Kyouko & Yuma and Acquire Food
[X] Offer cleanses for soul gems and seeds
[X] Ask what Kyouko wanted to talk to us about.
Not metabomb plan so not putting it here.
You say that as though feeding Aurora magic is not already soul snuggling.
Maybe the Clear Seeds need the exact flavor of Hope Magic that resonates with them. A kind of therapy.
0th Law
The Promethean Rose
- Location
- 5 Minutes into the Future
- Pronouns
- They/Them
So then we just need a lot of caring about everything.
Alternatively, we could say stuff like "Statement: Apathy is Death"
Lord Chungus
God of Nutella
- Location
- The Hague (it’s where all the cool people are)
So I recall seeing some mention of not being able to Loopbomb Sayaka/Mami without first Witchbombing them, and I don't really get why? The only ways I could see the two being connected would be the Holy Quintet not believing Homura bout the Witchbomb, or Homura having to mercy-kill some of them. I just don't understand...
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Well, the only real problem with Loopbombing anyone is that Homura would murder us.
Well, not murder us, but she would feel betrayed and make us feel bad.
Funny enough, Oriko is aware of the loops. Homu knows about it, too.
But the Holy Quintet includes Kyouko and Homura.
- Location
- Illinois
You can absolutely loopbomb without witchbomb, it's just kind of silly and dumb because it doesn't accurately portray the horror involved. You get this situation where people think they truly understand what Homura has gone through and they just don't. I don't believe that to be healthy.
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You have to understand, Chungus, the character-defining moments of the loops all revolve around the witchbomb. Tetris. Mercy kill.
Sayaka and Kyouko are the people you can convey a reasonable understanding of the reasons behind Homura's attitudes towards without the witchbomb. Sayaka, you just go "oh she's always a bitch to Homura and just gets herself killed 24/7." Kyouko is Kyouko.
But Mami and Madoka...
Without Tetris, it can't be explained why Homura pushes away Mami so hard. It would be very much "well why don't you do what Sabrina did?" But that doesn't work for her because of the witchbomb.
Without mercy kill, Homura's attitude on Madoka is incomprehensible.
The essay I'm working on explains the other major angles to this, but, well, WIP.
Lord Chungus
God of Nutella
- Location
- The Hague (it’s where all the cool people are)
Yeah, that makes some sense. There are some parts I disagree with, but that can wait until your essay is ready and posted. I don't really want to debate this when there's still a big thing you're working on, after all. Until then, this gives me a pretty good idea of the reasoning behind the loop+witchbombing thing.
The Phoenixian
The Glacier Witch
- Location
- My own little world
I still this this list is a bit too wide. Our knowledge of hope vs normal magic points to these things either not being appreciably different or one just doing nothing, depending on what you mean here.
Likewise, the grief shell is simply too short lived an object to be useful for any long term test.
I think you do have points regarding:
1 Clear seed to feed magic and nothing else (Long term test, Aurora)
1 Normal seed to feed hope magic (Short term test, shows how a seed might react to magic, have Homura nearby to disconnect us in case of backlash)
1 Normal Seed to be given a grief shell (Short term test, can be the same seed as before. We do have Elsa Maria on hand)
1 Clear seed to cleaned and then be LEFT ALONE (Long term test, Hildegard)
1 Normal speed to be 'emptied' but NOT cleared and then LEFT ALONE (Should be copious examples out in the world, esp in Sendai)
1 Clear seed to feed grief to as per SOP (Most clear seeds)
(Edited versions in italics and specific spots marked with bolding where possible)
And possible addenda here:
1 Grief seed to be fed magic while it's cleared (Likely by partially clearing it and feeding it magic in stages, likely only to be of use if a grief seed's reaction to being fed magic is significantly different than a clear seed's reaction.)
1 Clear seed to be fed both grief and magic (Long term test)
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In other news, a thought formed:
Rionna's attempt at mind control magic just slid off us without effect. This isn't the first time soul magic has had a lack of effect on us: Sayaka could not copy our powers. She got what was described as an N/A result, or after the update as a "404 error."
We've already speculated that our odd potential is a contributing to Sayaka's failure to copy us and Kyubey noted in update 0 that our potential was strange because our soul is strange.
What hasn't been connected here yet is the note that antimagic has an odd effect on us, above and beyond what it does to normal magical girls. We find it significantly more debilitating than most. Originally I'd thought it might be because of our grief control repairing our own organs, but you'd think we'd notice something like that.
What if all these details share a common source? Our potential is strange, our souls is protected, and we're weak to antimagic, because of an active magical effect integral to our soul. This would likely be responsible for our metaknowledge too.
If Sabrina does indeed reflect the structure of how we work as a quest, if not the exact details, it makes me wonder if our soul is actually connected outside ourself. be it as the terminal, or something completely different.
Between Sabrina as WPN and Sabrina as UKG we've had theories about us being conglomerate a witch for a while. What if we're not the entire conglomerate, but just one part, still connected to the rest? I think it would fit with us being so innately comfortable on IRCs.
The real question is whether this means we're part of Walpurgis with the rest of the witch floating out there somewhere, still half-connected to us, responsible for our sense of theatricality and drawing our metaknowledge from it's history and plots for how Mitakihara went and could go...
...Or if parallels can be drawn here to Sayaka and Nagisa in Rebellion: Part of a higher existence, connected to something beyond ourselves or the world, with a directly line to Madokami buried in our subconscious.
DB_Explorer
Purveyor of alternate realities.
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- San Diego, California
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- He/Him
I was trying to make a set of experiments with one variable each. So for any given seed your experimenting on you have a control where everything is the same expect for the ONE thing the experiment is checking.
It ensuring proper experimental controls.
if we're going to science we need to do it PROPERLY
Edit: shit we have ONE vote
guys ... guuuuuys WHAT DO WE WANT TO DO
AT THIS RATE SABRINA WILL DEFAULT TO MICROWAVING TEA OR SOMETHING
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0th Law
The Promethean Rose
- Location
- 5 Minutes into the Future
- Pronouns
- They/Them
So... in other words, Firn is Madokami?
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Wait, nobody actually voted? Geeze you guys, do I have to do everything around here?
[x] Meet with Kyouko and Yuma.
-[x] Aquire food, cleanse, be friendly.
-[x] Ask Yuma if she'd want to meet Nagisa at some point.
-[x] Find an excuse to have a private conversation with Kyouko to discuss some heavy stuff away from Yuma.
[x] Privately with Kyouko:
-[x] Discuss the situation with the Nakano Corporation.
-[x] Make it clear that we don't expect her to "owe" us for our help.
--[x] If she insists, ask if she'd be willing to meet with Mami at some point as her favor to us.
[x] Meet with Kyouko and Yuma.
-[x] Aquire food, cleanse, be friendly.
-[x] Ask Yuma if she'd want to meet Nagisa at some point.
-[x] Find an excuse to have a private conversation with Kyouko to discuss some heavy stuff away from Yuma.
[x] Privately with Kyouko:
-[x] Discuss the situation with the Nakano Corporation.
-[x] Make it clear that we don't expect her to "owe" us for our help.
--[x] If she insists, ask if she'd be willing to meet with Mami at some point as her favor to us.
- Location
- California,U.S.
I don't know if this has come up before, but can can we store an infinite amount of stuff in the fourth dimension, because all the stuff we have only has volume and not 4-d equivalent of volume? Like how you could put an infinite number of planes next to eachother in 3-d. Or is everything secretly a little bit 4-d thick? or is the fourth dimension discrete?
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
If 3D matter has no 4D depth, we still would have some limits on what we can store. By analogy, you can store an infinite number of 2D slices inside a 3D volume, but the maximum dimensions of each of those slices are still bounded by the enclosing volume.
So we'd be able to store an unlimited number of 100m radius spheres of matter, basically, but anything bigger than 200m across would need to be stored in multiple "chunks".
- Location
- Illinois
... maybe I know exactly how were going to handle this. Maybe, maybe the big, central issue is that unlike Mami or Sayaka or Homura, we dont know what Kyouko wants (because she doesn't either).
...
Ay yi yi.
[X] Meet Kyouko & Yuma and Acquire Food
[X] Offer cleanses for soul gems and seeds
[X] Talk through any conversation she starts
[X] Ask if she's ever thought about the future.
-[X] If Kyouko does a Kyouko: tell her you aren't here to reform her. You're going to meet people who just want to do nothing all day and you're not going to make them do things either.
-[X] Work in casually dropping the fact that magical girls are technically immortal as long as they aren't killed and actually think to cancel their ageing.
[X] Cut if this goes somewhere
[x] Privately with Kyouko:
-[x] Discuss the situation with the Nakano Corporation.
-[x] Make it clear that we don't expect her to "owe" us for our help.
--[X] If she's going to insist, you'll have to ask to bank that favor for now.
...
This is not good! "Oh, she did it cuz she wants me to make up with Mami! I *TOLD* her she *incoherent kyouko rage*"
Ay yi yi.
[X] Meet Kyouko & Yuma and Acquire Food
[X] Offer cleanses for soul gems and seeds
[X] Talk through any conversation she starts
[X] Ask if she's ever thought about the future.
-[X] If Kyouko does a Kyouko: tell her you aren't here to reform her. You're going to meet people who just want to do nothing all day and you're not going to make them do things either.
-[X] Work in casually dropping the fact that magical girls are technically immortal as long as they aren't killed and actually think to cancel their ageing.
[X] Cut if this goes somewhere
[x] Privately with Kyouko:
-[x] Discuss the situation with the Nakano Corporation.
-[x] Make it clear that we don't expect her to "owe" us for our help.
--[X] If she's going to insist, you'll have to ask to bank that favor for now.
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