OctarineShrike
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Now that Onmur has a vote, here's another tally.
Adhoc vote count started by Conjured Blade on Sep 2, 2018 at 3:35 PM, finished with 272 posts and 23 votes.
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[X] Brinapilot.
-[X] Regain patience.
--[X] If Riona's patience stretches thin, intersperse secondary topics.
-[X] Dig at Riona's reasons.*
[X] Offer and (ask Mami to) get refreshments. Don't leave the bubble nor stop talking.
[X] Answer:
-[X] It's not about taking away. Your goal is to give her, everyone, a chance to do better.
[X] (Brinapilot, don't just list terms.) Look for compromise.
-[X] No more killing.
-[X] You'll help fix her reason to 'need' an undead army. Then she'll release them.
--[X] Acknowledge exceptions:
---[X] Volunteers? Fine.
---[X] Anyone she wanted to revive? You'll help.
[X] If she won't share her goal, ask after her underlying reasons. *
-[X] What's her motivation? What can she share?
[X] Secondary topics:
-[X] De-Witching.
--[X] Let Riona examine Aurora.
--[X] Explain your experiments so far.
-[X] Ask after her powers.
--[X] What does your Soul look like?
-[X] Wish rejection: describe Oriko's symptoms.
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[x] Plan:
-[x] She'd be unwilling to give up her sister's shade and you think she might be equally unwilling to reveal that she has it.
-[x] You'll make a stab in the dark about her power's origin and use it as grounds for giving her a way out.
-[x] Make an offer that would let her keep her sister's shade without talking about it.
-[x] Note that, if she is holding her sister's shade, she's likely denying the ethical implications of her actions out of self-defense.
[x] She won't release her wraiths now, fine. And you won't deny her her home or safety. But would she really keep those souls trapped if it became unnecessary?
[x] You want Rionna to stop murdering people, and if any of her shades are suffering you want that stopped.
[x] But. But. You can't think of many ways a girl gets a power like Rionna's.
[x] If there are any shades that she needs to keep, and she doesn't want to explain who they are or why she needs them... you won't ask questions, and she'll have full access to your research network.
[x] Does that sound like what she needs?
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[X] Show her the Clear Seed. Explain what she's seeing: the sheer capacity, the quiescent nature of the witch, the way it absorbs hope magic.
-[x] And this is just a stopgap measure to keep everyone's gem clean while we create a real solution.
[x] If she wants cleansing and dewitching, then the only way that it's going to be possible is by working with us.
-[x] As she's said, everybody's tried but nobody's been able to... until now.
--[x] And if there's something else she wants, we can make that possible, too.
---[X]No guarantees, obviously, we're powerful not omnipotent, but we can't negotiate when any attempt at finding out what she actually wants is stonewalled with variations of "None of your business/not giving up my power/your soul", the latter of which she has to know isn't going to happen.
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[X] Sabrina-Pilot on key points
-[X] Acknowledge that asking her to reject the powers of her Wish is a huge thing, and she probably had good reasons for seeking such power. Mention that even if we're unable to deliver fully, we'll still understand if she has a special shade or two she /cant/ release because its too important. That's something we'd obviously be fine with until a better solution appears even if we reject the idea of holding other hostiles and innocents in stasis.
-[X] If she doesn't want our help, fine, put that aside a moment. Acknowledge lack of detail to our promises. Bring out special Clear Seeds (happy-grief and quiescent ones, at least) , mention tests and ask opinion on results thus far. Is this at least any better than other attempts she's aware of? Can she do that at least that much considering she isn't going to get anything productive out of this trip otherwise?
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[x] Okay. Then I guess thats it.
-[x]One thing, do you know anyone else I can contact with soul related abilities? Since you won't help me and I need input on it with my research team.
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[x] Show her the Clear Seed. Explain what she's seeing: the sheer capacity, the quiescent nature of the witch, the way it absorbs hope magic.
-[x] And this is just a stopgap measure to keep everyone's gem clean while we create a real solution.
[x] If she wants cleansing and dewitching, then the only way that it's going to be possible is by working with us.
-[x] As she's said, everybody's tried but nobody's been able to... until now.
--[x] And if there's something else she wants, we can probably make that possible, too.
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[X] gem her
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[X] Sabrina-Pilot on key points
-[X] Acknowledge that asking her to reject the powers of her Wish is a huge thing, and she probably had good reasons for it. Mention that even if our offered help witht he problem isn't enough, we still understand she might have a special shade or two she /cant/ release because its too important. Thats something we'd obviously be fine with until a better solution appears even if we reject the idea of holding other hostiles and innocents in stasis.
-[X] If she doesn't want our help, fine, put that aside a moment. Acknowledge lack of detail to our promises. Bring out special Clear Seeds (happy-grief and quiescent ones, at least) , mention tests and ask opinion on results thus far. Is this at least any better than other attempts she's aware of? Can she at least offer that much if she doesn't want anything from us after this long trip?
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[X]In that case there's only one way left for us to avoid a fight.
-[X]I need to see some of your shades so I know they aren't suffering for myself.
-[X]Once I've confirmed that they aren't suffering, you invite me to your future hunts for Magical Girls. All of them. You let me know their crimes beforehand and the basis for your knowledge. You cease hunting normal people. You let me grant your targets the opportunity to take a clear seed and should they wish it, a free flight to Mitakihara in exchange for sinning no more.
-[X]If they reject the offer, their souls are yours. If they sin again in my territory their gems get separated from their bodies and their bodies cryogenically frozen. Or they end up prisoners of an associate of mine who controls buildings. If they sin again outside my territory their souls are yours.
-[x]If Riona asks why: A majority of her targets sound like people you would want to talk to anyways and this enables you to save more of their victims, compared to if you need to track the people she'd target down from scratch after sealing her gem in an anti-magic box and freezing her body. The problem is that as that as this conversation indicates, you suck at negotiation. You're hoping having her waiting in the wings will make this process easier.
-[x]In addition to my combat skills(I've got a recording of a sparring match I had with that building controller if you need a demonstration) to compensate for the increased difficulty, I am prepared to offer hypersonic transportation and cleansing should you accept these terms, and a clear seed after the first hunt we make together.
-[x]Any questions or do we have a deal?
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[X] Null
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