Man, I literally cannot argue at this pace.
The trick is to write walls of text rather than trying to treat the thread as an IRC. The more thinking and writing you do in one go, and the fewer things you reply to at once, the better. It reduces clutter, makes everyone better able to understand what everyone else is saying, and frankly it tends to make the debate more meaningful because people have the time to recognize the holes in what they're typing -- I edited that post like three or four times
while writing it.
@Kaizuki Alright you covinced me. What would you suggest as a course of action?
Sit here. Talk to her, until everyone is totally convinced that I'm right, and that there isn't anything we'll be able to do for her that will get her to be a basically decent human being instead of routinely murdering people. Maybe there will be a miracle and she'll even honestly agree to take a clear seed in exchange for being a decent person to other gucas! We could save a lot of lives that way, potentially, and it would open the floor for meaningful debate about whether or not the shades thing is the end of the world or not, as opposed to currently where the morality discussion over it is basically a distraction from the part where she actively murders people.
Then when everyone is convinced of that, we'll need to debate whether we shoot her or threaten to shoot her.
If the former, timestop -- Rionna believes she is at an overwhelming advantage against us, but she's no legendary Walpurgisnacht-tier foe or Homura would have known her better. She thinks she's up against an idealistic new meguca with a nice support-focused powerset that takes a lot of time to do anything threatening. She doesn't know anything about either Mami
or Homura, and while she might be able to take Mami I find it hard to believe that she won't die if we queue up a bunch of attacks against her in timestop, then leave the building in timestop and go a few blocks over, unstop time, re-stop time, go back to the building, and
repeat if she isn't down. We have infinite magic and a timestop,
nobody in their right mind would be treating fighting us this trivially unless they were missing a lot of intel.
Afterwards, we freezer her, or we don't, and we set Sayaka up in wherever Rionna came from. She can teleport a clone out there every day, hunt witches, protect potentials, generally prevent things from imploding in the power vacuum of Rionna's absence.
If the latter -- making threats -- then that's going to be complicated and will require a whole bunch of fleshing out. We have no good information on what Rionna will do if confronted by a superior opponent trying to make her do something, which is why it's an idea
at all -- if she won't accept what we're saying when she doesn't think there are consequences to refusing and continuing to murder people on a regular basis, will that change when she understands that there
are consequences? Who knows?
Lastly, I suppose I should've said this sooner: the whole thing about most, or at least
some of the people she kills being murderers? That's... not an acceptable argument.
The system as it stands is that Meguca murder each other for grief seeds.
If nobody will stop murdering people for being murderers, then that system will change only in that the reason behind the murdering will cease to be grief seeds.
We're here to break the system: plenty of people have done horrible things because they didn't see any other choice under it.
It's the ones that won't
stop doing those horrible things (if offered freedom from the system in exchange) that we need to worry about.
