[Jk]Extend the whiteboard to put even more unlikely theories.
[Jk]That right there is the theories. Now let's talk about the theories. Can we talk about the theories, please, Riona?
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[Jk]That right there is the theories. Now let's talk about the theories. Can we talk about the theories, please, Riona?
The truth would be that we're a hivemind quest protagonist. However, it's possible that not even Sabrina knows that truth.
I don't think that's the case. Try putting yourself in her shoes. We did the impossible. She wants to know all about it, who wouldn't? Just because she's being impolite doesn't mean she's barely tolerating our presence. I would assume it's more like the opposite, but she's not expressing it well.
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OTOH, we can go with her flow totally. It won't satisfy her, but it would unsettle her? She can see? We must have her tell us about our soul! Wow!
Nice, @Redshirt Army
In addition, get her food - fried fish or a burger. Get her out of the crowd. Tell her we have a lot to talk about, i.e. her anxiety can reduce, she has first stage mission success.
Things will get easier if we take away the negative stimulation?
[] Find Rionna a simple food item that is commonplace to her.
[] Move out of the crowd
[] Pass just a little Grief between your hands Give her a marble.
She came for the show, right?
Nice, @Redshirt Army
In addition, get her food - fried fish or a burger. Get her out of the crowd. Tell her we have a lot to talk about, i.e. her anxiety can reduce, she has first stage mission success.
Things will get easier if we take away the negative stimulation?
[] Find Rionna a simple food item that is commonplace to her.
[] Move out of the crowd
[] Pass just a little Grief between your hands Give her a marble.
She came for the show, right?
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[x] Redshirt Army
I doubt she's looking for a lecture, we can outline the hard data-points, and let her deduce things from there.
Was their a particular reason we didn't bring, or mention whats happening to Sayaka?
I doubt she's looking for a lecture, we can outline the hard data-points, and let her deduce things from there.
Was their a particular reason we didn't bring, or mention whats happening to Sayaka?
This doesn't contradict what I was saying. If we dissemble instead of answering her questions she will find us harder to tolerate then if we give direct straightforward answers. We would probably find her easier to tolerate if she was a bit less demanding. These sorts of things come before/underlie decisions on more substantial issues, because they determine what conditions make it feasible for us to work together.
[x] Redshirt Army
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Minimize contact with Riona, to maximize the chances Homura can call her in as an emergency dispenser.
TJSomething
That's... that's impossible!
[x] Redshirt Army
[Q] It's magic. I ain't gotta explain shit.
[Q] It's magic. I ain't gotta explain shit.
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[X] Redshirt Army
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
This sounds OK, though it's kind of short, actions wise? I expect Riona might insist on discussing our powers, so what do we do then?
Or what do we talk if we show her around, first?
I don't think we should decide on what information to give her beyond the bare minimum, but I would like to ask after her motives, opinion on KB, etc., so we can make a decision on what to tell her.
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I do generally want to keep the update short. I'd like to take the time to see what Rionna's response is, before committing to longer term actions.
The Phoenixian
The Glacier Witch
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Porting a salient observation from the discord:
GreatSageEqualToHeaven-Today at 2:05 PM
I do want to say something real fast before I do, though: I don't think being polite to Rionna will endear us to her. I suspect, based on the admittedly limited information we have on her, that she is going to view formality and politeness as either condescension or weakness.
Best Lynn-Today at 2:07 PM
true
Best Witch-Today at 2:07 PM
Yeah, she seems like someone who values being direct. Tailoring a form of politeness to her specifically should embrace that.
Spoder Onmar-Today at 2:07 PM
I figure she might just be annoyed at it
Best Lynn-Today at 2:07 PM
mention that in thread
GreatSageEqualToHeaven-Today at 2:05 PM
I do want to say something real fast before I do, though: I don't think being polite to Rionna will endear us to her. I suspect, based on the admittedly limited information we have on her, that she is going to view formality and politeness as either condescension or weakness.
Best Lynn-Today at 2:07 PM
true
Best Witch-Today at 2:07 PM
Yeah, she seems like someone who values being direct. Tailoring a form of politeness to her specifically should embrace that.
Spoder Onmar-Today at 2:07 PM
I figure she might just be annoyed at it
Best Lynn-Today at 2:07 PM
mention that in thread
In that case, our frustration bleeding into the update might be a positive.
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
So:
[x] "Does it occur to you that acting like a rude, arrogant asshole might be counterproductive towards getting your questions answered?"
Madou Sutegobana
Autocorrupt has been disabled.
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[X] I was hoping you could enlighten me about that, actually.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
I figure if we want to get along with Riona, we need to value efficiency.
Being polite is good, but 'wasting' time on politeness, when we could be doing something useful, would be not-good.
So I feel we could give Riona whatever information we can talk about in public, set down some ground rules (no talking about sensitive stuff without privacy measure, don't witchbomb Mami, etc.) and go about doing useful, necessary things while we talk, like taking care of Riona's accomodationss, asking about her powers...
We want to have that private conversation where Homu can see us, right? So we probably should do that before actually leaving the airport; better if we can confirm how far we're gonna trust Riona now, so we can let Homu do as she wishes, rather than forcing her to follow us.
Being polite is good, but 'wasting' time on politeness, when we could be doing something useful, would be not-good.
So I feel we could give Riona whatever information we can talk about in public, set down some ground rules (no talking about sensitive stuff without privacy measure, don't witchbomb Mami, etc.) and go about doing useful, necessary things while we talk, like taking care of Riona's accomodationss, asking about her powers...
We want to have that private conversation where Homu can see us, right? So we probably should do that before actually leaving the airport; better if we can confirm how far we're gonna trust Riona now, so we can let Homu do as she wishes, rather than forcing her to follow us.
why is making friends so hard
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Hmmm.
Let's start with the safety telepathy and answering the question we were asked. It seems like if she doesn't know our wish she can probably guess, and if she's anything like Bennouna then she's seen people make similar wishes and end up not having them work the way they wanted (which is additionally alluded to by her dialogue, imo).
There's a real question of how much we want to say. We could certainly tell her that we think we're the result of a wish made by a girl with infinite potential who is the result of a time loop gone ritual who isn't yet / won't be a magical girl, but I don't think we actually should until we know more about her, and likely not even then.
I'm confident in the first half of this, and I really like the "we were actually hoping she would know more than us" bit. The last line could probably stand to go... actually yeah let's cut that out.
[X] Telepathy Riona: Mami doesn't know about witches.
[X] You're aware that your soul is strange (the Incubator mentioned it), but aren't certain why. You don't have any personal memories prior to waking up half-dead in an alleyway a few weeks ago.
-[X] If she persists, bluntly imply that Kyubey is also perfectly aware we're not normal, and tell her that because of that there isn't a whole lot we can say out front of an airport.
[X] We were actually hoping she would know more than us.
-[] Our domain is grief, not the soul. In person, we can separate the two, but as of yet anything more is a work in progress.
Once again, I maintain that simply answering the questions we are asked to the full extent of our willingness and ability will yield better results than any set of platitudes, just as long as we don't drift off into rambling.
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We've spent a lot of effort to not admit to knowing where witches come from where Kyubey can hear us.
Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
I've got to second this, what the hell people.
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We have to hint it to Riona. Any hint we make to her is also available to QB. We could maintain a shred of deniability with a more oblique phrasing, but that's about the limit.
Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
If Riona is the sort of thoughtless bitch to drop the witchbomb at a whim, telepathically warning her not to won't do shit about that.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Just blanket 'no' on talking about sensitive topics in public. We can let Riona know Mami doesn't know the witchbomb once we're in private.
Plus, while we could be 99,99% sure Riona's witchbombed, we don't know and we should be more careful when prodding for that.
What will Riona think if we tell her 'Mami doesn't know about witches', without first confirming her Witchbomb status? I would think we're a dangerous idiot with way more power anybody should be comfortable with us having.
We always need to be careful with Witchbomb, not just to avoid witchbombing, but to avoid people thinking we're the sort to witchbomb others on accident. If we're really worried about the possibility Riona will witchbomb Mami? We make a privacy device right now and sort it out, after quickly explaining and asking Mami to wait.
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