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Thought on Sayaka situation.

So what are the pros and cons of asking if we could hold off telling her anything untill we are talking to her actual self rather then a clone? Though I'm all for telling her either way the stakes. (IE This will kill Mami)
 
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I think all the votes are saying that.
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are they? I got distracted with security procedures.

TALLY TIME
Adhoc vote count started by DB_Explorer on Jun 9, 2018 at 1:10 PM, finished with 139154 posts and 24 votes.
  • [X] There is something you should discuss, yes. Fair warning: It's gonna be heavy.
    -[X] Stop searching. Sit down. Use Grief Fog to make sure KB isn't around. Full serious mode.
    [X] There is a secret. It's an infohazard. It remains a secret to puella society, because almost every magical girl who learns it shortly thereafter dies from their soul filling with despair. It's that bad.
    -[x] If you share this with Sayaka, you're putting Mami's life in her hands. It would almost certainly kill her.
    [X] Learning this will affect Sayaka:
    -[X] It will change her outlook in life, like it changed Homura's and Niko's.
    -[X] She would need to keep it secret 24/7, never let it slip in anger, not talk about it with anyone, and generally do everything she can to not let it get out. Or else many people, including her friends, could die.
    [X] So it's not about whether she should know, but rather about whether she wants to risk knowing.
    -[X] You told Mami there was a secret, and Niko told Kazumi. They both decided to not know.
    -[X] Both Homura and you are scared of sharing even this much, but you are making her the same offer.
    -[X] Ask her to not decide just yet. Think about it.
    [X] Reassure Sayaka.
    -[X] If she decides to know, you'll trust her. You'll get her main body in a Privacy Sphere or timestop and tell her everything.
    -[X] She doesn't have to know. If she decides not to, you won't think any less of her.
    -[X] Witch Hunt? Cool down hugs?
    [X] Cut this vote at any time Author pleases.
    [X] Funny she should ask. We just asked Homura about sharing with her.
    [X] Stop searching. This is more important. Make sure KB isn't around.
    [X] Sayaka should make sure her other self doesn't telegraph anything. You're in no hurry, and you can pause at any time that's necessary.
    -[X] Nothing you're going to discuss here gets related to anyone, which also means no telepathy. You'll elaborate as you go.
    [X] Broadly explain the concept of an infohazard. It's a little bit like Heresy, except a lot worse.
    [X] Mami and, you're told, six of seven Pleiades have declined this information.
    -[X] This discussion is about whether Sayaka wants this information, not whether she should be told it. And you're going to make her take until at least tomorrow to think about it.
    [X] Hammer on these lines at length and in variation until Sayaka is appropriately cognizant:
    -[X] Infohazards are, obviously, a responsibility. You don't talk about them, slip up with them, confide in your best friend about them: that kills people. That is a permanent burden, and it's not a fun one: it's working a job 24/7. No alcohol.
    -[X] Infohazards hurt. She's low risk and in special circumstances: it'd probably only permanently change her outlook on life for the worse. Normal consequences of exposure include psychoses, insanity, horrible death, sudden homicidal actions: no matter what, it will make her world a darker place.
    [X] Stress that she doesn't need this information to be incredibly helpful: also stress that you're not just saying this to try to dissuade her. There are upsides and downsides to both options, but it's an infohazard: you can't truly discuss the upsides to knowing without exposing her. You will say that none of them are fun... But if there weren't significant benefits you'd just suppress this completely.
    [X] If she decides she wants to know, you'll explain everything and then you won't let her go anywhere alone for a short while -- probably buy her ice cream. Basic observation period that'll double as Q&A. Don't want her leaving and then going crazy.
    -[X] This will be a permanently standing offer. You should also note that there is some -- very small -- chance of exposure in the course of everyday life. If it happens, she'll know -- she should ask for help immediately.
    -[X] Hug the stuffing out of her. She's a good friend, has a great heart, and you're glad to have her on the team.
    [x] Funny you should ask. We were just discussing that.
    [x] Have Sayaka give us her full attention. This is Serious Business.
    [x] When we told Mami the truth about Soul Gems and how Kyubey was manipulating her, the emotional trauma almost killed her. And this secret is even worse.
    [x] We gave a Mami a choice whether or not to know this, and she chose not to. Which was a relief, because magical girls that learn this have been known to take their own life or go insane.
    [x] If we tell you this, you have to keep the secret. You can't tell your friends. You can't let it slip in a moment of anger. You can't even talk about it with other people in the know unless we take measures to ensure secrecy, like Homura's timestop or our privacy sphere.
    [x] With all that said, think about whether or not you really want to know this. We won't be able to tell you until after school when we can meet with your real body inside a privacy sphere. Use that time to think about whether or not this is a burden you want to put on yourself.
    [x] Funny, you and Homura were just talking about that.
    -[x] Homura thinks that telling Sayaka is too dangerous. She thinks it'll destroy Sayaka and that Sayaka will take everyone with her.
    -[x] You think that Sayaka's Wish to be Useful will give her the strength she needs.
    [x] Tell Sayaka to take a bathroom break or something.
    -[x] Bet her a bucket of ice cream that she has to claim food poisoning and take the rest of the day off.
    -[x] Implement privacy sphere if Sayaka thinks it'll work. If it'd cut her off, just take security measures - no coobs allowed.
    [x] Explain the stakes. Pull no punches.
    -[x] If Sayaka tells Mami, she'll probably try to commit suicide.
    -[x] If Sayaka tells Madoka, Makoda Wishes then commits suicide, Homura possibly kills Sayaka in grief-stricken revenge and then commits suicide, and then everyone probably dies.
    -[x] Sayaka will have to keep this from everyone, especially her friends. You, Homura, Oriko, Nadia, and Niko are it. She will have some of the same secrets that you've been laboring under so long. Can she handle that?
    -[x] Does Sayaka understand how serious this is?
    [x] Explain why you're taking this risk: It's worth it. Sayaka Wished to be useful. This is the best thing she could possibly do. The responsibility of holding this secret is what she wanted to bear.
    [x] Give Sayaka the last chance to back out, same offer you give everyone else.
    [x] Legion of the scarlet tabard
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:thonk:

[X] There is something you should discuss, yes. Fair warning: It's gonna be heavy.
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"I... really need to talk with you about something, yeah."

"Hit me."

"Warning though: It's gonna be heavy. By the way, take this:"

*Pushes a Grief cube onto Sayaka*

"OK-?"

*Takes-*

*Lets go*

*Plummets*

"Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa....!"

"I told you it'd be heavy!"

*Flees the conversation*
 
Thought: It is supposedly a rule that meguca can't really cleanse Grief; Grief controllers need other Soul (Gems or Seeds) to shift Grief into, so they don't really get rid of the Grief.

Further thought: Maybe Sabrina is the same, and the reason she seems to be able to actually cleanse Grief off Gems and Seeds is that the entire universe is Dedolere's (or UKG's) Barrier, thus when we cleanse a Gem or Seed, we're just transferring Grief into another Soul, just like every other Grief controller.

Not exactly a new idea, but if this were true, would it mean Dedolere is literally growing stronger every time we use our powers? :V
 
I personally think that Dedolere is a possibility of UKG made manifest.
Our Wish was to control "All Da Grief, Muthafucka", so I think Dedolere will start nomming other Witches and actively Witching out Megucas in order to nom them too and form the conglomerate of all the despairing souls, i.e., the Witch of Despair.
Yeesh.
 
Raiseth said:
I personally think that Dedolere is a possibility of UKG made manifest.
Our Wish was to control "All Da Grief, Muthafucka", so I think Dedolere will start nomming other Witches and actively Witching out Megucas in order to nom them too and form the conglomerate of all the despairing souls, i.e., the Witch of Despair.
Yeesh.
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I don't think so. Witches act like a twisted version of the people they once were, not just generic monsters. Just like how Madoka's witch still seeks to save everyone, Sabrina's would do the same. Dedolere means "end of despair", and there's always one way to make sure someone never falls to despair...
 
Skelm said:
I don't think so. Witches act like a twisted version of the people they once were, not just generic monsters. Just like how Madoka's witch still seeks to save everyone, Sabrina's would do the same. Dedolere means "end of despair", and there's always one way to make sure someone never falls to despair...
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Weeeell, it's just my interpretation of what Dedolere means.
It's also my take on the symbolism of relationship between Madoka and Sabrina.
Just as Sabrina is ( a daughter ) an agent of Madokami, so is Dedolere the herald of that giant face thingy.
And since Witching out is our Bad End, that means Madokami's Wish failed utterly, so it might be the time for her to despair...
Or so my reasoning goes. I certainly don't ask anyone to subscribe to my theory, or, Homudammit, check it out. :V
 
I still believe Dedolere will go Lotus Eater on the universe. As I recall, we have cage imagery confirmed from that time we almost Witched Out.

I'd need to look it up, though, to be sure.
 
Higure said:
I still believe Dedolere will go Lotus Eater on the universe. As I recall, we have cage imagery confirmed from that time we almost Witched Out.

I'd need to look it up, though, to be sure.
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"Yeah, one last thing!" you say. You take a deep breath and reach out with metaphorical fingers, steeling yourself to try and grab that core. You pause for a moment- and slam your will down. Mine.

Pain.

Pain, raw and jagged, rips into your mind in a flood of white-hot agony, pounding upon you in a tremendous, sledgehammer blow. Your back arches, your breath driven from your lungs in a single, harsh scream. The searing attention of something vast upon you.

Distant screams.

You're on your knees.

You utter failure.

Did you really think so highly of yourself?

Do you hear that?

That's Mami, screaming your name. Shaking you.

You reduced her to this.

She would have been better dead than stuck to your side.

You break everything you touch. Everyone you touch.

You bend them to your will because you know better.

Put her in a gilded cage, where she'll be safe.

Because you want to protect her.

These are not your thoughts.

You snarl, calling your powers to yourself.

And you scream with what little breath is in your lungs, a thin, thready sound.

Grief from your Gem.

It pours out, a syrupy, rippling torrent that floods into the air and instantly crystallizes into razor shards you spin around you and the two human forms near you in a tight, protective barrier.

Your breath, coming in harsh gasps loud in the echoing, dead silence.
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Mmm.
Have we ever actually asked Homura about the differences between this loop before we arrived and the last one?
I mean, it's not really important, but it seems to me there aren't any.

What, does Homumom consider the first two episodes a good save state?
Sayaka throwing a fire extinguisher at her?
Mami misunderstanding Homura's attitude and creating grounds for not believing her and getting her head bitten off as a result?
Hitomi making her hilariously awful ( or awfully hilarious, the jury's out on that one ) quip about girls not being able to love girls?

Homumom. Do you even Social?o_O
 
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We've asked her about the previous loop a couple times, but discussing it is upsetting for her.
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Sorry, I'll edit my previous post. Not exactly what I meant.
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On closer expection, yeah, your reasoning is still valid, it's just...
Homura...
Git gud, scrublord.
 
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    • "It's funny you should say that," you say, tilting your head to glance at her. "Because I was thinking about that exact subject. You sure you don't have any mind reading powers?"

    "Hah!" Sayaka barks out a quiet laugh. "Not yet. But, like, I've got eyes, you know? I keep seeing you pull Homura aside to talk about something secretly or something, and I know you two are always on the same page about some stuff. Mami too, but you're always on Mami's side. Er, one moment."

    You watch as a bird -a crow- riding a thermal draws a parallel course to Sayaka and chirrups at her. Sayaka makes an odd noise back, and the crow drifts lazily away.

    "So Oriko and Kirika are still at their house," Sayaka says.

    "Honestly, they've been good, I think," you say. "Let's land over there."

    There is the top of an office building, bare but for a layer of flagstones with air-conditioning compressors protruding, and an access hatch. You coast to an easy landing, Sayaka right behind you. Her wings tuck themselves away under her cloak, dissolving into shimmering dust.

    A touch of will folds Grief into two benches facing each other, one for you, and one for Sayaka. You wave her to one, and plunk yourself down.

    "That serious, huh," Sayaka comments, raising her eyebrows at you.

    "It is," you say, extending your Grief fog. You spread it a bit thin, but you can do enough to refract the light and fuzz out sound and check for pesky little aliens that might be lurking nearby.

    Sayaka snorts, looking thoughtfully at the way the sun fractures, lensed through your Grief. "You're not even smiling."

    "Yeah, well... I'd pull you into a privacy sphere for this talk, but I'm pretty sure that this you would just drop if I did that," you say, shrugging. "Clone and all, right?"

    "So you're not telling me now?" Sayaka asks, making a face.

    "Not now," you say. "But right now... look. You're right. There is a big secret, and it's a secret. Most puella magi don't know it, and it's an infohazard. Almost every magical girl who learns it dies shortly after. I'm willing to tell you, and you deserve to know. But it's a big secret, and... You don't need to know it to be an amazing magical girl. It's not a nice secret, it's not useful in and of itself, it's just... there."

    You hold up your hands, watching as the good-natured humour drains from Sayaka's face.

    "I'm not telling you this to scare you off or anything, or to try and persuade you otherwise," you say. "I'm willing to tell you. But I'm also warning you that I am putting the power of life and death in your hands with this. I'm putting Mami's life in your hands, and I want you to make an informed decision about it."

    "So she doesn't know," Sayaka says, expression grave and just as serious as you imagine yours is.

    "No," you say, shaking your head. "I told her... something similar to what I'm telling you now. I told her I was still keeping a secret, and it's a nasty, dangerous secret. And I asked her if she wanted to know, because I don't like lying to my friends, and... she said no." You grimace. "I honestly don't know what I'd have done if she'd said yes, but here we are."

    "Who else knows?" Sayaka asks.

    "Homura, Niko, Nadia... a couple others," you say, deciding not to mention Oriko. "Niko gave Kazumi the same choice I gave Mami, that I'm giving you now. She chose not to know, too. We all reacted differently to it, but I'm not exaggerating when I say that knowing this has changed us. Will change you, how you see things."

    "Jeeze," Sayaka says, puffing out her cheeks. "I... I can't talk about this, either. I'd have to keep it a secret from Madoka, from Mami, from Hitomi..."

    "From most magical girls," you say, shaking your head. "It's a dangerous, dangerous secret, Sayaka. You can't just... use it, even in anger, or anything. I... You'll have Homura and me, but yeah. You can't talk about this."

    "Jeeze," Sayaka says, scowling. "How am I supposed to decide?"

    "You don't have to decide now," you say, shaking your head. "Take your time, Sayaka. It really kind of is a life-altering decision. I... confession time? Homura and I are both scared of telling you this much. Or telling anyone this much, but I talked it over with her, and I'm making you the offer."

    "Agh," Sayaka complains, actually pulling on her hair. "Argh! How am I supposed to figure this out without knowing!"

    "Urashimako," you agree. "Uh... am I remembering that one right? The fisherman spirited away by Otohime and him being curious and opening the box that contains his life?"

    "Just say Pandora's Box," Sayaka says, rolling her eyes. "I know the phrase. No, wait, it was a jar, wasn't it? Or... I dunno, Eve and the forbidden fruit? Of course, that means you're the serpent." She sticks her tongue out at you.

    You grin at her. "Yeah, well... just think about it, alright?"

    "I will," Sayaka agrees, and makes a face. "This has done the opposite to setting my mind at ease."

    "I'm sorry?" you say.

    "Not your fault," Sayaka says. "Well it sorta is. Why couldn't you have kept the secret better?"

    "Well, I'm sorry for being comfortable enough to be somewhat free and open and honest with my friends," you say, sticking your tongue out at her.

    "Damn right you should be!" Sayaka says, shaking her fist at you. She hops to her feet, expression turning serious. "I'll think about it."

    "But in the meantime, we have a job to do?" you say.

    "Mmmhm!" Sayaka says, grinning. "Something to take my mind off it."

    "Alrighty," you say, standing. The benches dissolve, Grief flaking into nothingness. "Let's go find us a Witch!"

    Sayaka bounces on the balls of her feet, wings already shimmering into existence from beneath her cloak. She hops, the motion flowing oddly as her wings flutter. "C'mon, old lady!"

    "Excuse you," you say, sniffing as you form your wings. "I'm... a year older than you. Maybe two, at most. Or maybe I'm fourteen years younger than you."

    Sayaka wrinkles her nose. "What, the day we found you in the alleyway?" she shrugs.

    You take to the skies, the wingbeats booming. "Yeah, well, I have no idea, honestly," you say. "Also, I'm curious - does this clone-you's Soul Gem actually reflect your main one?"

    "Yeah, actually," Sayaka says, settling into a flight path just behind and to your side. "The Grief is mirrored and everything."

    "Huh," you say. "Remind me to find out later - can I cleanse your clone to cleanse your real self?"

    "Ooh, good idea," Sayaka agrees.

    After that, you settle into a companionable silence. Sayaka ranges further afield from you, the both of you looping a lazy spiral radiating out from Mitakihara Middle School. You start contemplating codeword classification for all your secrets as you search. Colour codes and all, starting from ultraviolet all the way through the spectrum to red. And appropriate modifiers, of course - if green is the level of the secrecy of magic, then you'd use perhaps Case DELTA GREEN for the ongoing preservation of the secrecy of magic. By Kyuubey, of course. Or maybe even something like Case LIME SLICE.

    Mental tangent aside, it doesn't take you long to find a Witch.

    "There!" Sayaka calls.

    Sayaka's the first to spot it, wings tucking behind her as she dives. An apartment building, clean white and fairly modern-looking. You dart over to her, wings swept back as you follow her down into the little garden at the back.

    "Remember to check for civilians!" you call. You've been a bit remiss in that yourself, but hey, a good sempai would remind her.

    "We're clear!" Sayaka says, already coasting to a gentle landing. You let your wings melt away into Grief and drop right behind her, landing in an easy crouch and straightening on the soft grass. You eye the Witch Barrier, glowing in the space between the hedges.

    "Alright," you say. "Make your clo-"

    You cut yourself off as Sayaka steps aside, leaving another grinning Sayaka.

    "Excellent," you say, smiling.

    "Hey, I've got a memory too you know," the first Sayaka clone says, thumbing through her keychain of powers and tossing one at her clone. "Eyesight, to keep watch, right?"

    "Yep," you say. "I'll protect this clone, so you can focus on observing?"

    "Ah, yeah, that's a good idea," Sayaka -the first one- agrees. "Right, right."

    "Means I get to take it easy!" Sayaka-two says, beaming. Sayaka-one smacks her upside the head.

    "... how much individuality is there between you?" you say, raising an eyebrow.

    Sayaka-one and -two shrug in unison. "We're all Sayaka."

    "... OK, now make twenty clones and say that again when we meet new magical girls," you say. "Or maybe when we drop you off for training with Kyouko later."

    "Yes, sempai," Sayaka says, rolling her eyes. All four of them.

    "Right. Shall we get started?" you say, waving at the Barrier.

    "Yeah," Sayaka says. She makes no move towards the entrance, suddenly hesitant.

    "Hmm?" you ask. "Something on your mind?"

    "Besides the obvious?" Sayaka-one snorts, and rolls her eyes. "Yeah, actually... look, you know me, I guess. Do you think I can handle it? Not, like, the Witch hunt. I'm sure I can do that, and I've got you here and I'm a clone anyway, but... you know. The big secrets and all."

    [] How do you answer?
    [] During the fight...
    - [] Hang back, let Sayaka strut her stuff
    - [] Fight equally with her
    -[X] Ask her to use one Sayaka solely to watch (with sight powers?). Help point out dangers and mistakes.
    -[X] Keep an eye on how your control range in the real world changes as you move into and through the barrier.
    [] Afterwards...
    - [X] Nadia.
    -- [X] Ask about Riona, and her not informing you all of her arrival.
    - [] Sayaka
    -- [] Go over the fight with her
    -- [] Something else?
    - [] Someone else?
    [] Write-in (word count limit: 150 words)

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    Sorry this update comes kind of late, but here we are, finally.
     
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    "Besides the obvious?" Sayaka-one snorts, and rolls her eyes. "Yeah, actually... look, you know me, I guess. Do you think I can handle it? Not, like, the Witch hunt. I'm sure I can do that, and I've got you here and I'm a clone anyway, but... you know. The big secrets and all."
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    "I think you probably could handle it, but it wouldn't be pleasant and really wouldn't give you any benefit at all. The only use I can think of for it is to go around ruining magical girl's lives, and why would you want to do that?"
     
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    "Yeah, actually... look, you know me, I guess. Do you think I can handle it? Not, like, the Witch hunt. I'm sure I can do that, and I've got you here and I'm a clone anyway, but... you know. The big secrets and all."
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    first thought - Alone? It would kill you inside the day, with how it is? You survive it, internlize it and have it chew at you as your forced to keep it secert from all but a select few. Someone like you would be driven to fix this, perhaps too driven - reckless. In turn though if you come to the conclusion you can't fix it -it might be your doom.

    edit: basically my thoughts are Sayaka is driven alot by right and wrong, and fixing what she views as wrong. Learning the witchbomb would DEFIENTLY make her want to help us ALOT in dewitching research. But she tends to lose alot of hope if she comes to view or conclude that right and wrong don't matter or she can't fix the preceived wrong. Combine that with the knowledge that she will become a witch if she dies and yeah.... its her possible doom, a doom of Damcoles
     
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    first thought - Alone? It would kill you inside the day, with how it is? You survive it, internlize it and have it chew at you as your forced to keep it secert from all but a select few. Someone like you would be driven to fix this, perhaps too driven - reckless. In turn though if you come to the conclusion you can't fix it -it might be your doom.
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    Good thing she has a team then.
     
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    first thought - Alone? It would kill you inside the day, with how it is? You survive it, internlize it and have it chew at you as your forced to keep it secert from all but a select few. Someone like you would be driven to fix this, perhaps too driven - reckless. In turn though if you come to the conclusion you can't fix it -it might be your doom.
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    Maybe we could say... we can imagine circumstances in which the knowledge would kill her... but current circumstances (friends, Grief cleansing, maybe even de-Witching in the future) makes us think she could handle it?
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    • [X] I know you can handle it, and that some things will make a lot more sense for you. But I also think that it'll make the world feel much darker.
      [X] "Honestly Sayaka, I don't know how you react to this, and that's scary for me. On your own, knowing this would weigh you down, and I'm not sure if you could hold on.
      [X] "I believe that you can survive this, especially if you promise to talk with Homura and myself about how you are doing. I just need you to understand that you would not be the only one hurt if this doesn't stay a secret."
      [X] During the Fight
      - [X] See how much Sayaka has improved against familiars.
      - [X] Provide some assistance against the witch, but don't leave Sayaks feeling useless with nothing to do
      - [X] Keep enough active grief on hand to prevent traumatic witch injury AND Sayaka going berserk against what she might learn is a fallen meguca
      [X] It's not going to kill her or drive her insane. She's arguably a near-optimal case for learning about it under the circumstances.
      -[X] Full disclosure, though, to our knowledge 90% of whatever benefits are available from knowing it are also available from knowing that it exists but not actually knowing it -- if she's willing to put that level of trust in us, anyway.
      --[X] And in truth, our overriding concern is Mitakihara Group's cohesion. As long as this group is intact and well our chances of fixing literally everything are extant. We're already the most powerful concentration of force on the planet, and two of us have been meguca for less than a month. Where will we be if we're all still alive in a few years? A decade? Mami has only been a meguca for two years. You strongly prefer to act altruistically as much as possible, but the absolute fact of the matter is that as long as Mitakihara Group is alive and trusts each other, you expect that in the long term there is very little else that will matter.
      ---[X] Ignoring the fact that you genuinely care about all of them, protecting that has to be your first priority as a matter of morality, whatever it takes, even when you're not sure of the best way to do it. Homura is concerned that telling Sayaka about "it" will wind up dragging Madoka into this, which would be bad on a number of levels. You're concerned that not making the offer would be not only wrong but a violation of trust that could be used as a lever.
      ----[X] At the end of the day, though, if she's willing to trust you as much as she has simply by letting you unload on her like this... There's only one thing worth remembering, in the end: Kyubey is humanity's enemy, full-stop. He -- it -- is more intelligent than any of us, and would emotionlessly preside over our total destruction for its benefit.
      [X] I think probably could handle it. Or at least you could with some help. With me around the grief spiral isn't as much of an issue as it would be for others. Even still, this is the kind of secret that can completely change your worldview, the kind that can make you a different person. If it turns out that you can't handle it, well... With me around you probably won't outright die, but you may very well live long enough to go crazy.
      -[X] But that's only half of the issue. The other part of it is whether or not you can handle the burden of secrecy that will be on your shoulders. I don't mean any offense, but you are a little impulsive, and most others definitely won't be able to handle it.
      --[X] Anyway, food for thought.
      [x] You know she'll survive it, because you know her and you'll be there to support her.
      [x] But survival isn't what she's asking about, is it?
      [x] You... think she'd be better off. In the end, when everything is said and done.
      -[x] You don't want to bias her, but there's a thing to be fixed here.
      [X] If I didn't think you could handle it, I would never have given you the choice in the first place.
      [x] You honestly aren't sure. You didn't expect her to handle the lichbomb as well as she did.
      -[x] There are some girls that you know don't take it well, and have even taken their own life.
      [X] You believe she can handle it, as long as she let us help her into coming to terms with it.
      [X] Answer Sayaka:
      -[X] You believe she can handle it. Not alone. But her current circumstances? Just damn about optimal.
      -[X] If she can trust you, you'll do your best to help her come to terms with it.
      [X] Vote in abeyance.
      -[X] Hang back, let Sayaka strut her stuff
      -[X] Comment she should copy your Chibies some time, so she could compare them to her own clones.
      -[X] Afterwards, give Sayaka Kyouko's payment for today.
      [X] I know you can handle it, and that some things will make a lot more sense for you. But I also think that it'll make the world feel much darker.
      -[X] Sayaka touched on it earlier with not being able to talk to her friends: Needing to keep it secret is how you think it could hurt her in particular. That's what she should be weighing.
      [X] During the Fight
      - [X] Fight equally with her
      [X] Answer Sayaka:
      -[x] It's not going to kill her or drive her insane. She's arguably a near-optimal case for learning about it under the circumstances; with us to support her, we believe she would survive it.
      --[x] But survival isn't what she's asking about, is it?
      --[x] We... think she'd be better off. In the end, when everything is said and done. But we also think that it'll make the world feel much darker. We don't know exactly how she would react. That scares us.
      --[x] We would do our level best to help her come to terms with it.
      --[x] We just need her to understand that she would not be the only one hurt if this doesn't stay a secret.
      ---[X] She touched on it earlier with not being able to talk to her friends: Needing to keep it secret is how we think it could hurt her in particular. That's what she should be weighing.
      [x] Vote in abeyance. Add:
      -[X] During the Fight:
      - [X] See how much Sayaka has improved against familiars.
      --[X] Provide some assistance against the witch, but don't leave Sayaka feeling useless with nothing to do
      [x] This will change how she sees her own existence, and that of magical girls, for the worst; but yes, you think she can handle knowing the truth, whether she thinks she'll be able to keep the secret without letting it take control of her life and interfere with her, Madoka and Hitomi's friendship is up to her to decide; but she must know, you're working in fixing the issue, and while she could also help, and it would be appreciated, you're pretty sure you can do it on your own, so she must not worry about it if she decides not knowing.
      -[X] The reason you wanted to tell her is because you don't want her to learn it throught Kyubey or other magical girls without you there to alleviate the blow; she could also help you prevent this ever happening to Mami, and you want to trust her not to be te one that does something that'll hurt her that much.
      --[X] But you also fear her obssesing over it and allienating Madoka, Hitomi, Kyosuke and her parents without realizing it; no matter what, your first priority will be that your friends are happy and you don't want to throw a wrench at their friendship.
      -[X] Homura also fears that she may do something that makes Madoka want to become a magical girl, she cares about her, and about all of you even if she doesn't know how to show it, for reasons you can't tell her.
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