- Location
- U.S.A.
Ah yes. I wondered when Homura would start feeling this.
Puella Magi Adfligo Systema
- Thread starter Firnagzen
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The Narrator
Disembodied Voice
- Location
- Somewhere Offscreen
Ninja'd. 
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
[x] It's because I came along with a change of authors. Since the universe doesn't feel the need to be all suffering all the time, things work out better now. It applies to you too.
-[x] Praise Firnagzen!
--[x] Hey, wanna go burn down Urobuchi's house?
-[x] Praise Firnagzen!
--[x] Hey, wanna go burn down Urobuchi's house?
- Location
- universe
Ouch, my gut.
Good update.
Good update.
TMTM™
Your New Waifu
- Location
- In Your Mind-Fuzz
Ouch. I feel with the pressure taken somewhat off homura we might see her unravel, concidering how integral the ability not to get too invested in a loop must have been. For there to suddenly be hope? All that fear and insecurity might slip out at some point.
[X] "Most people don't pop out of nowhere with a good idea as to how to fix the problems of a bunch of other people they never met but remember really well. I can't say for certain how I'm here, but we both probably have a good guess. If a wish is powerful... What about a wish that helps other wishes? "
- Location
- Not the asylum anymore
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Damn.
Homura...
What do we do?
Homura...
What do we do?
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Poor Homu wants to be Madoka's saviour.
Yet the best course of action is to follow the new girl.
So much for "won't rely on anyone anymore".
It would be nice if we could give Homu some perspective on how and why things are working better. Because right now, we are magic. Not magic in the 'mana/pew pew' way, but actualy magic.
We're like a black box. She can't understand us, but if problems are input into Sabrina, solutions come out and they work beyond any common sense. Homu common sense.
I think it would be nice if we could give Homu persepective.
Yet the best course of action is to follow the new girl.
So much for "won't rely on anyone anymore".
It would be nice if we could give Homu some perspective on how and why things are working better. Because right now, we are magic. Not magic in the 'mana/pew pew' way, but actualy magic.
We're like a black box. She can't understand us, but if problems are input into Sabrina, solutions come out and they work beyond any common sense. Homu common sense.
I think it would be nice if we could give Homu persepective.
mCooperative
meanderingCephalopod
- Location
- Back in Mitakihara after like 1000 years.
Oh sweetheart. Sweetie. That's not- you're- we're not-
... we need to hug the Homura more, I think. Lots of hugs. Maybe enlist a Madoka. Well, wait, then there will be crying. Is crying okay? Good crying?
But no, f'sooth, we're seeing, I think, for the first time in a long time, Homura allow someone else to see her feeling a lot of the same feelings as from the start of her first loop. The- you know, I didn't think it would be relevant quite this way, but what I said in my long post? It occurs to me, Homura's not exempt from that at all- that fearing, and feeling that all the mistakes are on her. Fearing and feeling the blame for each mistake more and more as the loops go on. Because we know everyone- but Homura knows the loops. More or less, all their moving parts. All those times she hasn't succeeded, because the world and Walpurgisnacht have been too big- she feels she should have known better, done better, even when she couldn't really have done, with what she's had.
... we need to hug the Homura more.
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Vebyast
Nascent Transhuman
- We've observed several changes that we believe to be the hand of Madoka.
- Grief cleansing resolves game theoretic obstacles to cooperation.
Madoka fixes everything, Homura makes sure she can? Bodyguard != politician?
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OctarineShrike
Avatar of Mandos
[]I'd put decent odds on fate meddling in my favor though. In such circumstances, even if this was a competition there would be no shame in loss.
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Madoka's wish, almost certainly.
We've already noticed a ton of places where the timelines have been shifted around enough to give us time to change things for the better (most notably with Nagisa), and @The Phoenixian has a whole list of places where Sayaka's apparently innocuous and unaware actions would have headed off trouble that occured in canon. Note also how Kirika made her contract while already aware of witches and already accepted by Oriko (so it's less mind screwy) and how the PMKM timeline got shuffled around. And how PMSM has't started yet, so we can save Tsubaki Mikoto.
All this, plus the more general shift from a author who revels in suffering (Urobuchi) to one that presumably wants us to succeed and likes fluff (Firn) is probably occuring in-universe because of Madoka's wish. Everything can be fixed.
- Location
- ⇙
[] It works for me because I work with you and you did all groundwork necessary to get to me. Without you I wouldn't be here.
Or somethnig like that. I'm bad at this.
Or somethnig like that. I'm bad at this.
mCooperative
meanderingCephalopod
- Location
- Back in Mitakihara after like 1000 years.
Best intentions notwithstanding, can confirm, this only really emphasizes the "loss" part of the sentence, and then boosts the "shame" anyway along with the "but it's stupid that I feel like this because there shouldn't be shame in it, so clearly I'm just defective", at least when you already have a tendency toward self-blaming spirals and shit. At least, it can, and I wouldn't want to bet against it in this conversation, given Homura.
... hug the Homu.
blast flame
How far will we go if it means lighting the way?
- Location
- Perth, Australia
- Pronouns
- They/Them
We should say that we'd never have been able to put up the shear determination to go through all those loops like she did. We'd have despaired and turned into a witch 90 loops ago, we can barely handle any setback. But she could. And only through her unwillingness to bend or break we got we eventually came into existence. That all of our successes are inherently hers as well.
[] Because we're a wish-person created with from the most important life-events of seven magical girls, and a god's desire to fix everything.
A wish cake, if you will.
A wish cake, if you will.
The Phoenixian
The Glacier Witch
- Location
- My own little world
I am now very seriously considering the merits of telling Homura about stuff like the PSP golden timeline. Because we don't just do this well out of sheer competence, we also have a map for things that do work and the moments that shape the people we face.
Beyond that, there's also the giant mess Kirika should have kicked off at Shirome: there's a magical girl there, Asako Komaki, who Kirika could have ended up killing had she contracted differently, who by all appearances isn't contracted there but shouldn't have died with the way things have gone.
Folks aren't just doing differing things, they're specifically acting out in ways that echo other timelines... whether that's due to having some memory of the past... or some lesser incarnation effect of our metaknowledge. (And, yeah, it's very easy to pin this on Madoka's last wish.)
Yeah, we specifically have Kazumi being a bit erratic like her berserker clones and Niko is doing research without the full impetus we knew spawned it.
Beyond that, there's also the giant mess Kirika should have kicked off at Shirome: there's a magical girl there, Asako Komaki, who Kirika could have ended up killing had she contracted differently, who by all appearances isn't contracted there but shouldn't have died with the way things have gone.
Folks aren't just doing differing things, they're specifically acting out in ways that echo other timelines... whether that's due to having some memory of the past... or some lesser incarnation effect of our metaknowledge. (And, yeah, it's very easy to pin this on Madoka's last wish.)
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
'How the fuck did you get me to agree with mermaid-chan that doesn't make any fucking sense-'
'-STILL ALIVE. HOW?'
'Shit.'
'FUCK!'
'WHY THE FUCK DIDN'T I KILL HER FIRST THING?'
'Like, I knew she was trouble. Sabrina told us about Oriko yet I sat around and waited, what the fuck, why didn't I timestop and combed the city until I found her and shot her Soul Gem and what were we talking about?'
'Oh right guilt.'
'aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...'
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blast flame
How far will we go if it means lighting the way?
- Location
- Perth, Australia
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Telling Homura she could have won but failed doesn't sound much better than telling her that she was incapable of winning. It hits different psychological buttons to be sure but just as many of them.
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
The real issue is that Homura just wasn't brain damaged enough to match us. Just look at Rebellion - when she gives herself brain damage with an impromptu bullet lobotomy, shortly afterwards she wins everything forever and becomes God of the New World.
OctarineShrike
Avatar of Mandos
[]You were unfortunate enough to be the stick in the metaphorical carrot/stick pairimg. Time Stop is a powerful and terrifying power even by my standards but it can't free people of perverse incentives that get in the way of long term cooperation. If somehow you had my powers, you could have done something similar.