DkArthas
CAPITAL IS TO BLAME
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- Earth
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I think you meant Republicans there. Unless I am seriously derping.
Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
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- Original
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- Illinois
Not when your entire philosophy is based on contractual obligations and natural rights, and your own king has been meeting his own obligations it isn't.
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- Austria
His numbers are generally fucked up.
His numbers on USSR deathtoll, for example, are twice that of Black Book of Communism - and those in that book were, by accounts of many people including some of the coauthors (who made an effort to distance themselves from the book due to this), overinflated anyway.
And generally the same logic would mean that liberalism is the reason for genocide of natives and Irish Famine, so overall ascribing every single fuck-up within a movement to the ideology of movement is rarely warranted.
I don't really want to get into it, as it's not N&P, but this comes with the territory when quest enters the era of ideologies and revolutions, so....
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The army has been involved in various conflicts along border regions and in the east, and your mercenaries serve in numerous conflicts. By the estimate of your generals you are the equal of anyone in the world.
It's one or the other. Either we'll end up in a war with the Republicans or we'll miss out on war techs. Not both.
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- Austria
What about estimates of not our generals though?
Our generals thought this way (actually thought we were superior) in Khan era, and look what happened.
"Official Death Sentences"
Inofficially at least 40000 deaths were registered, some sources talk about around 100000 deaths.
At least 300000 were imprisoned.
A better source:
Executions, the Guillotine and the French Revolution
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It is a massive assertion to suppose that the Republicans are going to win at all, much less win and then be able to counterattack, much less win and then defeat all of its direct opponents and then defeat everyone who was neutral.
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- Asia
Yeah but we aren't talking about our philosophers; we are talking about dumbfuck peasants with pitchforks that think nobles = bad.
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- Usa, pittsburgh pennsylvania
Hey academia nut, would our people go and join the revolutionaries as a sort of foreign legion? Or is that not really a concept yet?
I, personally, want to keep the option of the future relationships with them open.
DocMatoi
Theoretical Lover of Girls
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- within 2 hours of the White House
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if we get involved, we can influence the new country some. But also, there are the benefits of neutrality.... OBVIOUSLY the revolutionary option isnt going to win, but neutrality does let us express approval of the concept of a republic.
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- Illinois
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On one hand, I'm happy to see that we've got pretty good military tech and that I might just be paranoid.
On the other, I notice that you didn't address the actual problem of new tactics and tech making our army obsolete.
Because I added the deaths which happened in the first world war and the civil war, which are not tracked by the Black Book of Communism.
Horologer
Incertae sedis
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- a risen sea
Because advancing the cause of republicanism and egalitarianism is worth the immediate political backlash, in my opinion.
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- Brazil
Not necessarily. Political history doesn't run on tracks.
Speaking as someone that has seen a Titan brought low by "democracy" and how politics can ruin a nation, I will say straight up that I'd take crowning a competent emperor today, as in right now, over the wonders of a republican government.
[X] [War] Joined in on the Alliance to Restore the Monarchy (major participants: Vortuga, Sketch, Tortun, Etal, Halvyni) (1x)
[X] [Rounds] Begin Industrial Age play
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- The Star Kingdom of Manticore
I really feel we should get participate in some way. We have ignored the world before and it didn't turn out well.
Let's get our troops out there so that they can start bringing back new ideas. Like that ship tech we are woefully behind in.
Let's get our troops out there so that they can start bringing back new ideas. Like that ship tech we are woefully behind in.
They lack an officer corp, and my impression that they did not have time to form an actual professional military.
We are a monarchy, not a republic, and our King so far fulfilled his contractual obligation.
[X] [War] Stayed neutral (2x)
I decided to revote for neutral. Even if our generals are wrong, odds are that that the west is going to pound itself flat. While the political goodwill would be nice, I think we are better served being opportunists and making a coalition of the neutral powers (including the not!Swedes and Stormyn) and expand the navy to assert control over the Monsoon Sea while their overlords are busy. Then we take them by the balls with rebuilding loans.
I decided to revote for neutral. Even if our generals are wrong, odds are that that the west is going to pound itself flat. While the political goodwill would be nice, I think we are better served being opportunists and making a coalition of the neutral powers (including the not!Swedes and Stormyn) and expand the navy to assert control over the Monsoon Sea while their overlords are busy. Then we take them by the balls with rebuilding loans.
Dutch
Bored Spearman of the Wind
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- CET
The Hespanxerites are in an interesting position. On one hand, there is no partition of not!poland to distract the eastern powers. On the other hand, recent events have pretty much wrecked their rivals. If they manage to pull off a Levée en Masse and hold out until they've rebuild their officer corps they're pretty much going to conquer not!europe (excluding not!britain).
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- Illinois
The republicans as an ideology, not the fighters themselves.
Who would be lead and organized by our lowest nobility, who were noted to think in it that way.
Peasants have to have someone to organize and arm them in order for them to be a threat, and in this case it would be the people like our lower nobility who think in that way.
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- Austria
Well, there is also a third option, that we miss out on techs, then Teutons, now united and with nationalism "invented", eat us.
Thing is, they are the only ones insane enough to fight to the death instead of some concession and shit.
It's basically "Rome vs Greeks" problem, where Pyrrhus won victories but Romans had manpower and will to use it until they won the war.
Others are not prepared for such mass warfare. So, well...
Mmm. This is...problematic too, as ascribing losses of war to the ideology of movement would mean that all the blood of 30 years war (aka "some regions of Germany lost 75% of population" just to have a taste of the horrors of World War 0) is on hands of Protestants.
I mean, "Martin Luther and Jan Hus are guilty of genocide of millions Europeans in decades of war" is an interesting hot take, but it has some problems.