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[X] [Focus] East, with the mountain pastoralists (1x)
[X] [Allies] People from the Spice Lands and Tea Lands (0.8x)
 
[X] [Focus] South, into the lowlands and the Highlanders (2x)
[X] [Focus] East, with the mountain pastoralists (1x)

[X] [Allies] People from the Spice Lands and Tea Lands (0.8x)
 
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[X] [Focus] South, into the lowlands and the Highlanders (2x)
[X] [Allies] Khemetri, trade rivals but not the Vortuga (1x)
 
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[X] [Focus] South, into the lowlands and the Highlanders (2x)
[X] [Allies] Khemetri, trade rivals but not the Vortuga (1x)
 
[X] [Focus] South, into the lowlands and the Highlanders (2x)
[X] [Focus] East, with the mountain pastoralists (1x)
[X] [Allies] Khemetri, trade rivals but not the Vortuga (1x)

I'm leery of losing the sea lanes even more though...
 
[X] [Focus] East, with the mountain pastoralists (1x)
[X] [Allies] People from the Spice Lands and Tea Lands (0.8x)
[X] [Allies] Khemetri, trade rivals but not the Vortuga (1x)
 
Idle thought, if we recapture the breadbasket lowland then our population will boom again. But the update had the plague depopulated Nations up their manufacturing tech to compensate fewer warm bodies. So having larger population might not be good for development of new labour saving devices in fear of unemployment and lack of incentive as labour is cheap.
 
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Sivantic said:
Why the sudden uptick for Khemetri? We are going to the Monsoon Sea, the spice traders would be more helpful there
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I'm assuming people want Khemetri help against the Highlanders. Which is questionable since the Khemetri don't have any problem with the Highlanders.

Saffron Sea + Khemetri is the synergy.
South/East + Spice Traders might be another.
 
@Academia Nut

I am curious, how are the Ymaryn seen nowadays? And how was the War between not!Gengis Khan and The Ymaryn remembered by everyone involved/ the neighboring Kingdom.
 
Sivantic said:
But we never had the sea lanes? We started on our inland sea and never bothered going outward into the MedittereneanSaffron Sea.

*checks tally*
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Why the sudden uptick for Khemetri? We are going to the Monsoon Sea, the spice traders would be more helpful there
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Because, we also aim to conquer the HK. Destroying the HK will be much harder, if we don't have an ally to encircle them on both land and sea (assuming the HK still border the Not!Mediterranean).
 
HanEmpire said:
I'm assuming people want Khemetri help against the Highlanders. Which is questionable since the Khemetri don't have any problem with the Highlanders.
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1) AFAIK We didn't get any info on the nature of HK - Khemetri relation
2) If we aren't allied to the Khementri, then there is a chance that they will see us annexing their neighbor (the HK) as an aggressive move towards them.

TBH I would be happy to have our [Allies] actions be spilt between Tea&Spice and the Khemetri.
 
[X][Allies] Khemetri, trade rivals but not the Vortuga (1x)

They are our natural allies from antiquity. They also are nearby enough on the Saffron Sea that they can help us secure the east end of the Saffron from piracy and ensure long term stability.

[X] [Focus] North west, with the Syffryn religious troubles (1.5x)
 
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[X] [Focus] South, into the lowlands and the Highlanders (2x)
[X] [Allies] Kielmyr Triple Crown, distant but in more direct contact with other rivals (2x)
[X] [Allies] People from the Spice Lands and Tea Lands (0.8x)
 
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pbluekan said:
[X][Allies] Khemetri, trade rivals but not the Vortuga

They are our natural allies from antiquity. They also are nearby enough on the Saffron Sea that they can help us secure the east end of the Saffron from piracy and ensure long term stability.
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On the other hand, how often are we going to get the chance to involve ourselves in Not!China or Not!India before Not!Europe starts screwing around with them? Not!India doesn't have long before Britain starts noming it, as per the OTL, iirc...
 
Sivantic said:
As mentioned, grabbing the lowlands is our ticket into the Monsoon sea. That would straight up undercut our European rivals.
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Will you now?

Because the determinant here is naval power. The Ymaryn have always sailed the sheltered waters of the Yllthon and Saffron Seas with galleys and catamarans. The Vortuga on the other hand are on the stormy and vast Not-Atlantic, and have ships designed to sail thousands of miles all around not-Africa to not-India and beyond. And they already have fortress-bases established on the Monsoon Sea to support those large seagoing ships.

So perhaps with your strategic choices you all should put more consideration into whether or not the Ymaryn can achieve the objective, not which objective it would be most desirable to win.
 
[X] [Focus] South, into the lowlands andthe Highlanders (2x)
[X] [Focus] East, with the mountainpastoralists (1x)

[X] [Allies] People from the Spice Landsand Tea Lands (0.8x)
[X] [Allies] Khemetri, trade rivals but not the Vortuga (1x)
 
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The massive first time skip was because you had basically won the classical era already, and the inward focus meant that it would be a long time before something would be able to threaten you. Your only major concerns were environmental and disease causing internal stability issues, and the internal threat focus with infrastructure and culture meant that you were super secure against those issues, especially with all the environmental disruption absorbing work you had already put in

The lowlands are fascinated by your culture, but they are fiercely independent now

Your current system was born out of an increasingly close confederation of city states that unified for mutual protection. While outwardly unified, their internal law code would make lawyers scream waterfalls of blood

Lowlands are the least fans of the Mountain Horse pastoralists

They trade most with you, the HK, the pastoralists, and the Monsoon Sea trade routes

Given that you don't have any contact, you will have to wait for news on the Americas to filter back to you from those going out there

Lowland focus will be a combination of methods, and if very successful you may gain a full path to the Monsoon Sea, allowing you to logistically support efforts there directly

Khem has some interest in the HK in general, as well as securing their own trade in the Monsoon Sea. They are rivals to you in a lot of trade places, but you are civilized folk about it in comparison to the Vortuga, who are really starting to piss them off with their antics

>Do the games still exist?

Sadly, no

Yeah. Basically, you and the Khem might go to war over trade, but at least you're not coming into peaceful third parties you both rely on and bombarding them into submission
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Cavalier said:
Will you now?

Because the determinant here is naval power. The Ymaryn have always sailed the sheltered waters of the Yllthon and Saffron Seas with galleys and catamarans. The Vortuga on the other hand are on the stormy and vast Not-Atlantic, and have ships designed to sail thousands of miles all around not-Africa to not-India and beyond. And they already have fortress-bases established on the Monsoon Sea to support those large seagoing ships.

So perhaps with your strategic choices you all should put more consideration into whether or not the Ymaryn can achieve the objective, not which objective it would be most desirable to win.
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Granted removing a few middle men and revamping infrastructure will make the Ymaryn trade route more viable, but as you said without sailing ships of our own we won't be able to compete against the Vortuguese on the Monsoon Sea. That option wasn't voted for.

That's why I'm voting for East + Not!Chinese contacts. If we play that card right we will be able to create a stronger Silk Road and get the Not!Chinese to close their southern ports, thus giving the Ymaryn monopoly on Eastern Goods.
 
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Land walk and build local shipyards, should be sufficient to contest with numbers. Probably need to channel across lowland to increase profits.
 
It's a shame the terraforming never really took off. But Black Soil kept going downstream, so maybe it crept along nonetheless?

Behold! Synergy!

[X] [Focus] South, into the lowlands and the Highlanders (2x)

[X] [Allies] People from the Spice Lands and Tea Lands (0.8x)

This is why the Godsdamned Dam was built!

TO THE EAST AND GENERAL, EVENTUALLY UNIVERSAL PROSPERITY!
 
[X] [Focus] South, into the lowlands and the Highlanders (2x)
[X] [Focus] East, with the mountain pastoralists (1x)
[X] [Allies] Khemetri, trade rivals but not the Vortuga (1x)
[X] [Allies] People from the Spice Landsand Tea Lands (0.8x)
 
[X] [Focus] South, into the lowlands and the Highlanders (2x)

For the breadbasket.

[X] [Allies] Khemetri, trade rivals but not the Vortuga (1x)

To reopen ancient ties.
 
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