NavySeel
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You don't reread the whole quest every couple of weeks?
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Omegahugger
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... Wait a second, we can't develop Tongs legally because it requires deliberately creating Dhar, right?
What if we instead bind an apparition and use that to do the technical Dhar creation? They're basically made of the winds, surely they cause some enviromental Dhar anyways when they stumble into various winds, right?
Think we might have a legal loophole here!
Tasoli
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Nope. Not according to Gehenna;
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That's absurd and insane! Who the hell does that!?You don't reread the whole quest every couple of weeks?
[checks own history]
Once every two to three months is, on the other hand entirely reasonable. Excuse me while I go again to check if any food has spontaneously appeared in the fridge.
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Edit: Um. Fellow SVers? So like... I'm getting hugs, and that is giving me the warm fuzzies*, but I assure you, my post was intended to be comedic.
*and yes, I will be taking you all to court to make you cover the medical fees. Private treatment for the warm fuzzies does not come cheap. I can't believe that you'd all do this to me. Like... wtf?
Edit Edit: The fridge thing was a joke about taking irrational actions, I do have food, in case that was why I'm getting all these hugs.
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Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
Of course, Gehenna also has a vested interest in Gehenna's Golden Hounds not even causing enviromental levels of Dhar.
Now, I am not saying that the Gold Aunt specifically lied about this point that it would be really convinient for me if she lied about, I'm just saying that maybe we should double check our facts.
You know, for altruistic and wholesome purposes.
NuclearConsensus
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I mean, apparitions not causing dhar makes sense. They're probably made of the same undifferentiated warp stuff that makes up AV which makes sense given where AV comes from.
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Ouch! How could you say that?
want are you even arguing for Hugger
I thought this was about the Abel for you?
when did you lose your way?
when did it become about the power?
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Huh. If we learn to bind more intelligent apparitions, could we get them to donate blood (=AV)?
We already have an endless supply of AV, so no need for further donors. Unless we make the snake into our first apparition.
NuclearConsensus
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Unlikely. The existence of our primary AV source is a miracle already. Any other sources existing would need something on at least a similar level as the Thorned One's current state to happen.
Mopman43
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Can't. It feeds on Ulgu (it was trying to feed on Mathilde's) so trying to keep it leashed with Ulgu is like trying to contain a dog with a leash made of sausages, to use Boney's turn of phrase.
Honestly if we are going to try to improve AV production the best thing we might be able to do is finish our research and actually publish a full book on it for the rest of the colleges. Like right now it is an incredible resource but it is also a 1 off irreproducible secret held in the vault of a Lord Magister who, like most of them, has way too many other project and time commitments. If we put it out a fully researched book all about our exciting new magic super material it then we will open the door for other people with the time to dedicate themselves to researching it.
I mean maybe we should just go with the preliminary paper?
I mean maybe we should just go with the preliminary paper?
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I mean, we are already Sauron's good counterpart in several ways.
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What the miracle is there is that an apparition got transformed into an unlimited and constant AV source. There's nothing that says that there can't possibly be easier ways to get finite sources of AV that need work put in for each harvest.
I would actually like too get the basic stuff all done before:
[ ] Investigate how the Vitae reacts with Divine Magic.
[ ] Investigate how the Vitae reacts to a power stone.
[ ] Using the secrets you already know of the Vitae, attempt to weaponize it.
so we can do the preliminary book, instead of the paper.
but I admit that I've given up herding those cats at this point, and will just jump on any AV action.
there is something poetic about the idea of the hellhounds hunting around the Bright college looking up one day to see all the wizards running at them with their Elmer Fudd hats on and a temporary blood drainer in hand, and realising that the roles have just turned.
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it was one of the very first things mathy could do with the stuff. (but with more safety checks now)
My defetinon of 'basic' is 'stuff you can do with AV basic'
'See how it can be used in enchantment' is absolutely 'advanced'. it's only a research option because we figured out runes can push the stuff into shapes without setting it off.
its the difference between an boiled egg and a custard.
both need eggs, but one needs a bit more skill and knowledge.
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I'd agree you, but. This is Warhammer. And AV is something both highly explosive/energetic and we have a constant supply of it. If we write a paper or book on AV without doing the weaponize research, the first thing everyone's going to ask us is how effective it is as a weapon. Even if it's far less useful as a weapon than for everything else it can do, people are still going to want to know if they can chuck it at an orc.
Though that said, we still don't have to do that research ourselves before we publish on it. Just that it'd be a high priority for people to figure out. (Especially if a way to produce more AV is found.)
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See, here's the thing: How we could have weaponized it was entirely dependent on what we knew about it from the rest of our research. It doesn't say "using the secrets you have gained" for nothing, when we first had the option we didn't even know about how much volume it expanded into after its phase change. It simply isn't fundamental research, that is strictly application.
Enchantment on the other hand would involve pursuing questions about whether or not this volatile substance can be consumed or bound into a permanent form - Magic doesn't like staying in one place, doing one thing, and neither does AV, so can the principles of Enchantment apply to it anyways? If it were just "can enchantments that require external fuel be set up to accept AV" that'd be different, but as-is the enchantment research has overlap with the same category as "see what happens when you apply powerstone creation techniques to it".
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"Weaponize it" was described as the skunkworks action when we first acquired it and presented as an alternative to actually figuring out how it works:
I agree with @Prime 2.0 that it is not part of the basic research, and in fact will advance the prediction that when we finish the rest of the AV tech tree, that option will disappear on its own because we have plumbed its secrets and "figure out how to weaponize it" is no longer a question we need to answer.
fair enough: but I still agree with Derpmind tho: Mathy is, in setting, A weirdo for not checking if she can chuck it at an orc as a priority question.
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I wouldn't go that far - application research and engineering work doesn't stop being required just because you've done a shitload of basic research. But the more basic research we do first, the better answers we can produce for "how can this be applied militarily".
On the bright side, the longer that he's been dead, the more potent as an undead he will be when Mathilde raises him.