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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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picklepikkl said:
I mean, a quarter the height of a mountain is enormous, but one of the other options is "the lower sixty percent of a mountain" and still a third is "an entire mountain."

Being a dwarfmade structure rather than a natural formation does enhance impressiveness beyond mere height, though, I'll agree.
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The most important question, which option are we more likely to A: Succeed, and B: Get Away With going Full Fozzrick on?
 
There stood a tower of marvelous shape. It was fashioned by the builders of old, who smoothed the Peaks of the Silver queen , and yet it seemed a thing not made by the craft of Dwarfs, but riven from the bones of the earth in the ancient torment of the mountains. A peak and isle of rock it was, Silver and gleaming hard: four mighty piers of many-sided stone were welded into one, but near the summit they opened into gaping horns, their pinnacles sharp as the points of spears, keen-edged as knives. Between them was a narrow space, and thereupon a floor of polished stone, written with strange Runes, a mortal might stand five hundred feet above the Karagril."
 
[to Maximilian the Gold] What do you want Maximilian de Gaynesford? The key of The Silver Tower? or perhaps the key of The Eye of Gazul itself, along with the crown of the Eight Peaks, and the Staff of Mistery!

(I'm having way too much fun with this.)
 
its outward face was like to the Citadel, hard and dark and smooth, unconquerable by steel or fire, unbreakable except by some convulsion that would rend the very earth on which it stood.

I will continue to steal tolkien lines until you see the dark light @picklepikkl!
 
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The Phoenixian said:
I feel like this is the sort of thing that, were it to exist in universe, would get Wizards, Dwarves, Dragons, and Chaos to declare a collective Grudge against you for creating it.

Yes, despite most of them not even using the legal concept. EDIT: Despite, even, most of them being mortal enemies.

Well done.
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Don't kid yourself, Chaos made it, in an attempt to make memetic hazards uploadable.
 
The many Runes of the stone had sharp edges as though they had been newly chiselled. A few scorings. and small flake-like splinters near the base, were all the marks that it bore of the fury of the Orc's.
 
Redshirt Army said:
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I am reminded of the Battle of the High Pass, where just looking at Slaneeshi forces assaulted her sesnses with, among other things, B O O K.
BoneyM said:
With some reluctance you focus on your Magesight to observe the oncomers; reluctant not because what you'll see would be terrible, but because it won't be. Sure enough the beings under your Magesight are transformed into a shifting tapestry of impressions as they somehow communicate with sight that everything you could wish is as close as acquiescence. Without changing from their physical appearance the beings manage to give impressions of everything that might be found alluring, from certain individuals to giant grimoires overflowing with lost knowledge to pleasures as simple as a warm bath and a hot fire, and as soon as your attention lingers on one for more than a moment it balloons into an all-consuming obsession; the grimoires stack to the ceiling and resist any attempts at ever categorizing the knowledge they might offer,
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And a part of me thinks- if Mathilde ever fell to the book sort of temptation during the expedition, she would find herself in that very video.
And she'd be there, moving to this feverish nightmare for all eternity, never reading a book, as she's too overtaken with joy and victory dancing to sit down and contemplate.
 
I'm voting for anything that gets us Horstmann. We have our chance, might as well take it.
 
BoneyM said:
Very big. Like, one quarter the height of Karagril big. Burj Khalifa big. It'll need some work to be liveable and pretty again, but it's not in any danger of structural collapse, because Dwarves.
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Yeah, I'm sold even harder on Silver Tower as the site of our library now. Burj Khalifa big, holy shit. It's the ultimate "yo dawg, I heard you like towers" location, and thus the true culmination of Mathilde's architectural engagement with K8P.
 
Fayhem said:
Yeah, I'm sold even harder on Silver Tower as the site of our library now. Burj Khalifa big, holy shit. It's the ultimate "yo dawg, I heard you like towers" location, and thus the true culmination of Mathilde's architectural engagement with K8P.
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The logistics of the Silver Tower just seem like a killer for me. It's so inconvenient to the rest of the Karak, with routes being down-through-the-Citadel-and across-the-Caldera(-pastureland), or 'pass by active military redoubts along the Underway link to Drahz'.
 
Glau said:
Ok- I think there is a common element to all the plans thus far that is suboptimal, so I'd like to bring it up before plan finalization.

Johann. He should be in the library, not the research branch. It's a waste of his skills.

Point the first: he is the *most* dwarfy wizard besides us here. Putting him in an organization that is wizard (and elf) focused isn't using that. Putting him into building the library, where 90% of the work in the first bits is going to be dwarves with picks is going to smooth things for us a lot.

Point the second- he's not all that good at research. He banged his head against the rattling gun for ages without results, got the we wrong, and he is focused on the aspects of chamon least useful to us with waystones.

So I think we put him in the library. He's got good Diplo- he was the handler for the ducklings until we're had time for them, and he can serve as on-site security against any heavy hitters that randomly show up. And as a disciple of the pick, he's pretty neutral with the book priests.

Plus, offering him implicitly the promotion to head Librarian in the future gives him a clear, prestigious career path. It's a a way of showing him that his loyalty to us is being rewarded.

If we need him for a spell or as a party member, he's easy enough to bring in as a contractor.

As far as the EIC goes, I like Eike, but that can wait a turn without much issue while giving agents stone time to work in before we use them is good.
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Your argument and a lot of the points you use as support don't make a lot of sense to me.

We don't need a dwarfy wizard to liaise with our construction workers, any more than we needed a dwarfy wizard to build our towers or the rooms of calamity.

His good diplo would be useful for the library and building up relations, but it can be put to just as good a use in WEB-MAT collaborating with wizards and experts of other disciplines (like runesmiths, who are explicitly mentioned in the charter) and building ties there.

Saying Johann is bad at research is a big stretch. He's comparatively bad at book learning, yes, being the punch-wizard-you-speak-elf?-reikspiel-and-bad-reikspiel fellow that he is. And sure, sometimes that's resulted in some struggles. But that's even more of a reason not to join a library, which would be more about books and less about practical research.

And his skillset lends itself very well to practical reserach. Tale of Metal alone would justify onboarding him, so if anything's a waste of his skills, it would be not using him as a researcher.


As an aside, I don't think any of the plans with Eike included use the EIC half-action, they use a full action. The two picks are not mutually exclusive. If your intent to delay is about swapping that Eike action for a half-action to save in action economy, remember that inserting agents likely will lead to follow-up actions, and also competes with other projects like gunpowder or espionage. There's always something that'll seem urgent, so delaying is not a good strategy if we want it to actually happen.
 
Johann should be at the library, not the research institute.

Aside from my other points, putting all our trusted people into the research institute, when WEBMAT, in Karag Nar, IS NOT the waystone project, which is with the elves.

We need people in the library too. Johann is the best choice for that.
 
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Glau said:
Ok, repeating so it isn't in a text block.

Johann should be at the library, not the research institute.
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Why? Johann's main advantage is being able and willing to use his glorious cyber-magical augmentations to go and beat things until they give him answers. That's a great fit for a research institute that can send him on field expeditions, less so for a library.
 
Alliterate said:
The logistics of the Silver Tower just seem like a killer for me. It's so inconvenient to the rest of the Karak, with routes being down-through-the-Citadel-and across-the-Caldera(-pastureland), or 'pass by active military redoubts along the Underway link to Drahz'.
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But two-tower references!

there are other reasons, but I would be lying if I said that the LOTR's memes didn't sell it to me.
 
Redshirt Army said:
Why? Johann's main advantage is being able and willing to use his glorious cyber-magical augmentations to go and beat things until they give him answers. That's a great fit for a research institute that can send him on field expeditions, less so for a library.
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... ahhh, not pro Johann library, but The library option very much has a lot of Duganon diving as a possible AP choice. something he is very good at and enjoys.

lets not pretend that he would not make a good Indiana Jones impression.
 
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Redshirt Army said:
Why? Johann's main advantage is being able and willing to use his glorious cyber-magical augmentations to go and beat things until they give him answers. That's a great fit for a research institute that can send him on field expeditions, less so for a library.
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It seems like you are reducing Johann to how he is useful to us. I feel like that is doing him a major disservice.

I'm unhappy keeping him in a limited role given his skillset. If we need a contractor for an adventure, we can still pull him in.
 
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Glau said:
You are reducing Johann to how he is useful to us. I feel like that is doing him a major disservice.
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Okay. What makes you think Johann would prefer a library posting to a WEBMAT posting? As I see it, WEBMAT will be the institute that does a bunch of waystone work with Mathilde, so Johann can come with us to Laurelorn and still be an "on-site" member. The library will be K8P based, and won't be directly involved in Mathilde's next big project (though obviously we'll lean on it to aid in providing relevant documents whenever feasible). As such, surely if anyone should be the library member it's Max - he's staying in K8P to continue his crafting education, which is an obstacle to spending significant time in Laurelorn.
 
Glau said:
You are reducing Johann to how he is useful to us. I feel like that is doing him a major disservice.
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I think that is the best argument about not asking him to join WEB-MAT, in that he really is not that much of an scholar compared to a field nerd. but I think it could also apply to Libaray as well.

in that argument, being part of the EIC Spy network might overall be more his thing.
 
Can some kind soul remind me why we care about the Talabecland Cult of Kurnous?

Also, @BoneyM, if we went with the Silver Tower, could the dwarves do anything to make it more accessible? Maybe a new tunnel off the underway to bypass the close-to-a-war-zone part? That seems to be the main objection.
 
BelligerentGnu said:
Can some kind soul remind me why we care about the Talabecland Cult of Kurnous?

Also, @BoneyM, if we went with the Silver Tower, could the dwarves do anything to make it more accessible? Maybe a new tunnel off the underway to bypass the close-to-a-war-zone part? That seems to be the main objection.
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I assured that would be an AP option when we are setting it up. that we will chose how much we spend to solve it.

same with all the other options and their little or big problems.
 
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