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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Rafin said:
Since his name just means something along the lines of "Sherwood Peterson" in Romanian, I am curious just how badly we failed that roll and/or what kind of weird legend the name is tied to in Sylvania. Though not really. That much linguistic nitpicking would be extreme even for me.
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I don't think you can fail a roll for something you just don't know.

That would be like asking a English person what póg mo thóin means.

They might know it, it's a pretty common insult for their neighbours and One of their fellow Union members.

But it's not shocking if they don't know, why would they?
 
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Jyn Ryvia said:
I don't think you can fail a roll for something you just don't know.

That would be like asking a English person what póg mo thóin means.

They might know it, it's a pretty common insult for their neighbours and One of their fellow Union members.

But it's not shocking if they don't know, why would they?
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I just reread the actual chapter where this comes up. Turns out I misremembered the details. So in Sylvanian "Petr" is a common nickname for one's penis I guess, similar to how "Johnson" is among anglophones. That makes sense to me.

Edit: The dude was calling himself Woody Dickson. :D
 
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DragonParadox said:
I mean think about Evil Dumbledore for a moment. Does he seem like the sort who would have much contact with peasants he was not trying to horrifically experiment on? The vampires most likely to want to speak Low Nehekaran are the least likely to chat up peasants



That I could kind of see yeah, Vlad was pretty social and he would have had an oversized impact on the whole province.
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Nehekhara colonised the lands that would become the southern Empire just before Nagash destroyed them. Those colonies may have left more influences in Sylvania than elsewhere.
 
BurnNote said:
Well, should be doable. Just build a huge tower. That's how languages work, right?
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"Sir John Mandeville recorded a curious heresy in the hinterlands of Dalmatia. Groups of armed monks roved the land, tossing any peasants they could capture into pits, ditches, or caves. They took care not to harm their captives, but once deposited, the monks abandoned them to their fate.

According to the famed traveler, the monks were working on a great project, the completion of which would restore universal peace and harmony to the world. The peasants, though greatly inconvenienced by the arbitrary abductions of the monks, seemed to agree that the project was praiseworthy. Yet they did not help the monks, for that would defeat their aims and spoil the scheme.

A later commentator names the monks as the Monks of Babel, and explains their strange behavior thusly:
  • The Tower of Babel was made of bricks joined by tar. Bricks are worked separately and drawn together; tar is manifest corruption. Its antithesis must be made of air, which requires no working and no mortar.
  • The Tower of Babel was created by people working together. Its antithesis must be made separately, or not made at all.
  • The Tower of Babel rose towards heaven. Its antithesis must descend into the earth.
  • The Tower of Babel was a vainglorious project. Its antithesis must carry no honour or prestige.
The Monks of Babel therefore kidnapped unwilling people and tossed them into pits. Once a sufficient number of people have been appropriated into the project, the Lord would see the ancient sin of Babel was cancelled by the perfect antithesis, and all people would speak the universal language once more. Since the root of all conflict is a lack of understanding, wars would instantly cease."
 
ScottishMongol said:
"Sir John Mandeville recorded a curious heresy in the hinterlands of Dalmatia. Groups of armed monks roved the land, tossing any peasants they could capture into pits, ditches, or caves. They took care not to harm their captives, but once deposited, the monks abandoned them to their fate.

According to the famed traveler, the monks were working on a great project, the completion of which would restore universal peace and harmony to the world. The peasants, though greatly inconvenienced by the arbitrary abductions of the monks, seemed to agree that the project was praiseworthy. Yet they did not help the monks, for that would defeat their aims and spoil the scheme.

A later commentator names the monks as the Monks of Babel, and explains their strange behavior thusly:
  • The Tower of Babel was made of bricks joined by tar. Bricks are worked separately and drawn together; tar is manifest corruption. Its antithesis must be made of air, which requires no working and no mortar.
  • The Tower of Babel was created by people working together. Its antithesis must be made separately, or not made at all.
  • The Tower of Babel rose towards heaven. Its antithesis must descend into the earth.
  • The Tower of Babel was a vainglorious project. Its antithesis must carry no honour or prestige.
The Monks of Babel therefore kidnapped unwilling people and tossed them into pits. Once a sufficient number of people have been appropriated into the project, the Lord would see the ancient sin of Babel was cancelled by the perfect antithesis, and all people would speak the universal language once more. Since the root of all conflict is a lack of understanding, wars would instantly cease."
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Well, reduce the global population enough and the remaining will have to band together into a coherent group and likely learn a shared language to survive.
So yeah, the problem of universal language can be solved by tossing sufficient enough quantity of people into pits.

...Then again, there are few societal problems that can not be solved in such way, for a sufficiently loose definition of solved.
 
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ScottishMongol said:
"Sir John Mandeville recorded a curious heresy in the hinterlands of Dalmatia. Groups of armed monks roved the land, tossing any peasants they could capture into pits, ditches, or caves. They took care not to harm their captives, but once deposited, the monks abandoned them to their fate.

According to the famed traveler, the monks were working on a great project, the completion of which would restore universal peace and harmony to the world. The peasants, though greatly inconvenienced by the arbitrary abductions of the monks, seemed to agree that the project was praiseworthy. Yet they did not help the monks, for that would defeat their aims and spoil the scheme.

A later commentator names the monks as the Monks of Babel, and explains their strange behavior thusly:
  • The Tower of Babel was made of bricks joined by tar. Bricks are worked separately and drawn together; tar is manifest corruption. Its antithesis must be made of air, which requires no working and no mortar.
  • The Tower of Babel was created by people working together. Its antithesis must be made separately, or not made at all.
  • The Tower of Babel rose towards heaven. Its antithesis must descend into the earth.
  • The Tower of Babel was a vainglorious project. Its antithesis must carry no honour or prestige.
The Monks of Babel therefore kidnapped unwilling people and tossed them into pits. Once a sufficient number of people have been appropriated into the project, the Lord would see the ancient sin of Babel was cancelled by the perfect antithesis, and all people would speak the universal language once more. Since the root of all conflict is a lack of understanding, wars would instantly cease."
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Do you have a source? The stuff in you post seems copied from here. But that post doesn't listen any primary sources for their claims (like where Mandeville makes that claim, or who the later commentators are). It's not too wacky for that someone couldn't get up to it. But it's also the exact kind of "wacky foreigners" stuff that gets made up wholesale for medieval travel books.
 
BurnNote said:
Do you have a source? The stuff in you post seems copied from here. But that post doesn't listen any primary sources for their claims (like where Mandeville makes that claim, or who the later commentators are). It's not too wacky for that someone couldn't get up to it. But it's also the exact kind of "wacky foreigners" stuff that gets made up wholesale for medieval travel books.
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Yeah I don't have a source, just that blog post that I've never verified. I'd point out that John Mandeville specifically was a grade-A bullshit artist who wrote about his travels to mythical places like the Kingdom of Prester John in India and his encounters with various legendary creatures or magical places.

Some commentators think he was writing a satirical take on medieval European society so that would explain the analysis of the Monks of Babel.
 
BurnNote said:
Do you have a source? The stuff in you post seems copied from here. But that post doesn't listen any primary sources for their claims (like where Mandeville makes that claim, or who the later commentators are). It's not too wacky for that someone couldn't get up to it. But it's also the exact kind of "wacky foreigners" stuff that gets made up wholesale for medieval travel books.
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the author of the blog literally posted this in the comments

'The great thing is that nobody's read the complete version, only extracts and quotes, so you can just make stuff up and it sounds plausible.

<_<

>_>'

The source is sus.
 
Mopman43 said:
I know that the 8th edition TK book says Settra got up to the Black Mountains at least, but what book says that?
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As an example Page 4 of the 2002 Tomb Kings Army books says that Nehekhara ruled lands in the current Empire. I'm pretty sure that there are other references to the presence of Nehekharan sites in the Empire.
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
the author of the blog literally posted this in the comments

'The great thing is that nobody's read the complete version, only extracts and quotes, so you can just make stuff up and it sounds plausible.

<_<

>_>'

The source is sus.
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That's absolutly fair. But I already did a google search, clicked on a link, followed that link to another site, read a bit, and the scrolled to the end of a post. I'm honestly surpised I had as much dilligance as I had. But there's limits. I ain't searching a comment section as well. I'm not picklepikkl, or some strange person who does carefull research. That stuff gives you wrinkles, y'know.
 
BurnNote said:
That's absolutly fair. But I already did a google search, clicked on a link, followed that link to another site, read a bit, and the scrolled to the end of a post. I'm honestly surpised I had as much dilligance as I had. But there's limits. I ain't searching a comment section as well. I'm not picklepikkl, or some strange person who does carefull research. That stuff gives you wrinkles, y'know.
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.... I'm going to assuming you didn't know that source and documentation research/citeion is basically 75% of my job, and so that oh so deep stab to the soul was not intentional.

now if you will excuse me, I'm going to go cry in the corner for a minute.
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
.... I'm going to assuming you didn't know that source and documentation research/citeion is basically 75% of my job, and so that oh so deep stab to the soul was not intentional.

now if you will excuse me, I'm going to go cry in the corner for a minute.
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OOC: I do research for a living. It's not centered around sources to such a degree, but it is still important. And careful research always is. So that was mostly meant self-deprecating. While also riding the line where it's actually not insulting pickle. Even if I was/am pretty he'd be fine with it, making a joke about someone must be done carefully. So in case I did actually hurt your feelings (even a little) and it's not an extension of the joke (it's pretty hard to tell over text and without knowing people closely), I'm sorry.

For what it's worth, I was actually pretty impressed you found that quote from the author of the blog post. It's not super huge (3 and the authors, I think), but I didn't even consider going there.
 
BurnNote said:
OOC: I do research for a living. It's not centered around sources to such a degree, but it is still important. And careful research always is. So that was mostly meant self-deprecating. While also riding the line where it's actually not insulting pickle. Even if I was/am pretty he'd be fine with it, making a joke about someone must be done carefully. So in case I did actually hurt your feelings (even a little) and it's not an extension of the joke (it's pretty hard to tell over text and without knowing people closely), I'm sorry.

For what it's worth, I was actually pretty impressed you found that quote from the author of the blog post. It's not super huge (3 and the authors, I think), but I didn't even consider going there.
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I was joking around
 
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    I had the idea for this a while ago, but never got around to writing it up until now. Hopefully people enjoy it still, despite it being a good while since the original joke.
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    NegaFayhem said:
    - I don't know what to tell you, guys. The background rolls got real weird for a minute.
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    Okay, now that THAT battle is over at least, I truly have to ask. What kind of "real weird" rolls does it take to produce a hecking Evermammoth??
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    SoSayWeAll said:
    Yes, I'd also really like it if you could explain that. Don't try to make me beg. Because I will absolutely do it, and it will be awkward and weird for everybody.
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    NegaFayhem said:
    Hmm, I suppose with the way the battle turned out there's not much harm in talking background to an extent.

    And I really do want to share this story, because in all honesty this was basically a religious experience for me. Because I now know that Ranald is real IRL, since I can see no other reason why my own god damn dice would be trolling me.

    It all started out so innocently. Archaon was on his way to get his four-fold Mark of Chaos like in canon, and I decided I'd roll to see if it went like in canon or if we'd get some divergence already. The relevant part is that his noble steed bought it (like in canon), and I decided I'd roll to see if he got a replacement afterwards. That played out kind of like this:

    Dice: Yep, he gets a new mount.
    Me: Okay, the original was an appreciable part of his combat stats, so let's see how strong the replacement is. Low roll means a basic bitch Chaos Steed.
    Dice: He gets a 94 there.
    Me: Okay, wow, good for him. REALLY good for him. Uh, the other salient fact about his original mount was that it was fanatically loyal, so let's roll for loyalty here too.
    Dice: Yeah, that one's gonna be a 3 though.
    Me: ...Alright, well, maybe not so good for him then. Guess I better stat this thing up - whatever it is at a 94 strength - before it inevitably fails its loyalty check.

    I couldn't decide what the best mount to give him for that roll was, so I put together a table of hella stronk Chaos gribblies and rolled for it. As should be clear, "giant fuckoff Chaos Mammoth" was the winner. Incidentally? Not the worst possible result for you guys on that table, at all. So be grateful for small favors.

    Anyway, sure enough, the very next quest Archie goes off on, WHAM, sudden but inevitable betrayal. Now, I'd like to be clear here, giant fuckoff Chaos Mammoth or not Archaon still had the edge here stats-wise. I'd call the odds like 60/40 in Archaon's favor for this fight.

    This does him absolutely NO good. His rolls were more rotten than Nurgle's Garden, and the mammoth that was very briefly his steed absolutely curbstomps him. The goddamn thing barely even takes a scratch. By the end of the fight facepalming was basically my new default posture. In light of the crushingly one-sided results I decide that the finish of the fight is the mammoth literally just picking Archaon up and eating him as the final indignity.

    Now, since Archaon was supposedly destined to bring about the end and already had the Four-Fold Mark I figured I'd roll to see how the Four took this turn of events. High rolls being good for the mammoth, and low rolls meaning they're pissed their latest toy got broken already right after they gave him their Mark.

    Dice: Would you believe, the LOWEST roll is above 80? And the highest is nearly 100?
    Me: FOR FUCKSAKE
    Me: ...Alright, I guess I need to roll for blessings now.
    Dice: :V
    Me: are you actually fucking kidding me
    Me: what am I supposed to do with this

    Seriously, this is how I imagine it looked in the Realm of Chaos. You've already seen all these benefits in action, so no spoilers there.

    Tzeentch: ...Yes. Just as planned. I planned this, and totally saw it coming. Have my blessing, mammoth, since I definitely planned for this and wanted it to happen.
    MAMMOTH GAINS: TUMOR OF SORCERY, LORE OF CHAOS, LORE OF TZEENTCH, MARK OF TZEENTCH
    Slaanesh: Sure, buddy. Of course you did. Anyway, that was definitely more interesting than how it looked like this was gonna go, so why don't you take something shiny and see if you can make something else novel happen for me. Don't disappoint me or I'll turn you inside out like a sock puppet and make you LIKE it, kidding not kidding.
    MAMMOTH GAINS: UNNATURAL CHARISMA, MARK OF SLAANESH
    TUMOR SYNERGY UNLOCKS: LORE OF SLAANESH
    Nurgle: Ho ho ho! Be jolly! Grandfather Nurgle's love is yours to spread! [QM note: Nurgle is basically Disease Santa, CMV.]
    MAMMOTH GAINS: OBSCENE RESILIENCE, AURA OF CORRUPTION, MARK OF NURGLE
    TUMOR SYNERGY UNLOCKS: LORE OF NURGLE
    Khorne: AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HE GOT KILLED
    AND EATEN
    BY HIS OWN FUCKING MOUNT
    LIKE A LITTLE FUCKING BITCH
    THAT'S THE FUNNIEST FUCKING THING I'VE SEEN IN THREE MILLENNIA
    HERE HAVE ALL THE SHIT KID
    MAMMOTH GAINS: ENDLESS RAGE, MUSK OF HATE, COLLAR OF KHORNE, BLOOD DRINKER, REGENERATION, MARK OF KHORNE
    TUMOR OVERRIDE: MAGIC CHARACTERISTIC NOT AFFECTED BY MARK OF KHORNE

    Me: Welp.
    Me: I guess I don't need to roll to see if a new Everchosen arises to take Archaon's place.
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    NotADoctor said:
    ...Cool, cool, cool, very cool. Maybe we already saw all those blessings, but seeing them laid out like this, well.
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