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[X] Plan Solid Core
-[X] As Per Orders: Perform your current assignment. Choose ONE to have Van Hal's assistance with.
--[X] Examine and interrogate the imprisoned infiltrator.
---[X] Van Halp
--[X] Trace their actions inside the castle, investigate every facet of what they did and see if there's a way they somehow could have sabotaged something.
--[X] Walk back their movements, see whether they left the castle and if so, what they were doing.
--[X] Go out to the nearby villages and confirm the details of every single servant claiming to be from there.
---[X] Overwork

-[X] Influencing Van Hal: You're going to be spending time with him anyway, that's a lot of time to talk. Choose up to ONE. If 'Sucking Up To The Boss' is chosen, choose up to TWO.
--[X] He's seriously considering getting rid of Kasmir. Spend some time with him and suggest a specific approach, or try to talk him out of it. (write in approach and reasons)
---[X] Approach: You'd suggest to avoid doing anything as extreme as to the late Marshal, as that would ensure that the clergy of Stirland and the general Church of Sigmar would go from passive interference to active disruption. Which leaves two ways:
----[X] Rehabilitation: Approach it as a strategic exercise for Kasmir, that he cannot effectively convert the residents of Stirland back to Sigmar's will if he does not know the opposition. Challenge Kasmir to find out what needs are met by Morr, Ulric and Shallya which Sigmar's servants have not been meeting, then meet them. More importantly, find out how to tell apart those who are of different faiths, from those who are loyal to abominations unto Sigmar, of the vampires and necromancers that blight the world, take examples from Sigmar's own trials under each god to gain their blessing and how his own priests should emulate their god in uniting the gods of Man against the forces of Night. There's nothing to be lost but time and possibly patience from trying this approach first.
----[X] Provocation: Appoint influential local priests of Morr, Shallya, Rhya, Ulric, and maybe even Handrich, Myrmidia and whatever the halflings follow as Kasmir's advisory council, in addition to a local Sigmarite priest. Either he'd learn to work with the other faiths, achieving the objective without having to cross the Grand Theogonist, or Kasmir would be goaded into doing something unfortunate to his advisory council, in which case you'd be able to fire Kasmir for criminal action. Bonus if you can make sure that said priests come from noble backgrounds so as to make the resultant mess as hard to sweep away as possible.
----[] Sabotage: You're hesitant to suggest this, but it would be possible to plant evidence in Kasmir's rooms that he's been working with the contents of the East Wing in secret. Which would give Van Hal the justification to execute him if successful. The problem is that given the way such things work, its all too easy for a lie to become reality and you'd really rather not touch any of it yourself.
----[X] You'd recommend trying to rehabilitate him before going with the the provocation approach, since it SHOULD be useful even if it fails, and theres really nothing stopping the Grand Theogonist from sending endless and increasingly worse lines of zealots as he removes each one. The best course of action is one which makes Kasmir an asset, as the Grand Theogonist cannot replace him or censure us if we change Kasmir's mind on things.
--[] Use extra action if an action is needed.

-[X] Backtracking and Side Operations:
--[X] Okay. A report on the new Martial. Follow them around for a while, see what you can find out about them. (NEW)
---[X] Van Hal gets a copy as well.
--[X] Try to tail the messenger who you give the report to. (NEW)
---[X] Ranald's Blessing



-[X] Van Hal can get you veterans of the Army of Stirland - mostly uneducated and suspicious of magic, but unquestionably loyal to Stirland. (no action required, -10g discretionary/turn each) (NEW)
--[X] Get five.
---[X] Assign one to Bidenhof, Tarshof and Julbach each. Preferably someone who comes from those villages. Their job is to keep you up to date with the village rumors and point out what's just local custom, and whats unusual for those villages, as well as to acquire more gossips/informants from the village outlying farms in their own time.
---[X] Assign one to keep in touch with Swartzhafen, preferably someone who knows the Commander there.
---[X] Assign one to summing up the Wurtbad Watch's reports and to personally get to know the Watchmen.
--[X] Pay for them to be taught literacy, and basic sums if necessary. Check if they have any useful side skills. Assign to other tasks if they do.
--[X] You'll get someone more educated(and no doubt, more expensive) from Anton later to manage what these guys churn out, but for now their job is to expand the not-at-all subtle informants and save your ass from riding up and down the country all year.

-[X] Home Comforts: Your Palace-Shrine is bursting with potential. And also mud.
--[X] Wardrobe Expansion: Start wearing a tunic and breeches under your wizard's robes. (no action required, -personal gold)
--[X] Diggy Diggy Hole, Outsourced: Pay someone to do the digging, then Mindhole them on their way out. (no action required, -personal gold)
--[X] Enchantment: So far you've failed to find suitable equipment (damn Wizard Chic) but you could always try again with local goods. (-personal gold, action required to set up and learn to use equipment, action expenditure can be postponed) (NEW)
---[X] Postpone action. Just buy the stuff first.

-[X] Research:
--[X] That damn Asp has still been quiet, but now you've got a lead. Peruse the book Light And It's Properties, by Leonardo da Miragliano. (NEW)


Personal business shelved while we deal with infiltrators. Van Hal is not good at investigating traces and the like, but he's an expert interrogator, so we should put him on the interrogation.
However, I'd note that close interrogation of every remaining servant is going to be fiddly, we don't HAVE a basis to catch them other than to stress them with terror until they leak(which leaves us shitty servants afterwards)
Basically EVERYTHING shelved in fact. Fortunately our base isn't in the castle(or even publicly known) or everything would be compromised, but like Van Hal said the previous turn, if your admin center is infiltrated, your operations are SHIT.

Assuming Influencing Van Hal doesn't take an action of its own, since its implied to be a freebie.

7/6-8 actions

Overall thrust is to get to the bottom of the infiltrators. We CAN'T have HQ be suspect!
There, cut the blasted thing since nobody actually wants it anyway. Please don't deliberately waste our superior's time to support an action he's stated to be bad at or ignore our shadowy puppetmasters and just hope it turns out good.

We've seen how well THAT worked for the Asp.
 
This is a tremendously cool quest (just finished a binge to get here) and I'm real excited to participate.

[X] Plan Turn This Castle Upside Down And Shake It
 
There, cut the blasted thing since nobody actually wants it anyway. Please don't deliberately waste our superior's time to support an action he's stated to be bad at or ignore our shadowy puppetmasters and just hope it turns out good.

We've seen how well THAT worked for the Asp.
I'm pretty sure you're shadowboxing against a line in my vote that hasn't existed for more than ten hours when talking about the superior's time bit, so you probably want to spend some time getting up to date on what the vote you're arguing against actually looks like.

Also, since it seems you haven't been reading the discussion, I should probably mention that some serious talk about what we know about Schultz and Talabecland was had and it was generally concluded that dropping that intel to Van Hal was a solid move. Unless you've some objection you probably want to add that to your vote lest it remain strictly inferior in that respect.
 
We haven't seen the Grand Theologist replace anything yet, no one has been fired, and Van Hal want's to not piss of the Theogenist too badly so he might be willing to grant him a second chance but I don't think anything's stopping him from approaching a Morrite if he desires to.
... None of the people who have put cats paws on this council have lost an iota of personal or political power. There is literally nothing stopping them from repeating whatever arcane political move put us in power again.
As to the martial advisor, well, yeah, Van Hal doesn't know people who can command armies. Witch Hutner's act on a much smaller scale than that. There isn't really another source of generals for him to tap.
You think Van Hal, veteran of 15 years of hard campaigning, doesn't know anybody who can command armies.

That is not what happened. The Emperor's spymaster put Verozzio on the council, and then when he died he sent three more. There was no talk of Van Hal looking for anybody. He doesn't have the power; when the Emperor's spymaster sends you a candidate, it is understood that one of those candidates are going to win.
Because replacing the spymaster of a province is not something they can force on Van Hal. This is one avenue he COULD simply replace by picking one of his old Witch Hunter buddies. If they burn us they lose the spot entirely.
Veekie, please explain why you think this.

They already forced a candidate on Van Hal; it's how we got the job. Everybody forced a candidate on Van Hal. He didn't want any of us except Wilhelmina. Why do you think anything has changed from 3 years ago?
Ergo, not going to happen unless we actually start acting AGAINST them. Sniffing up the line is not acting against them. It'd be stranger NOT to have it
Yes, those shadowy spymaster types are definitely not bothered by someone trying to shine the cold light of day on their operations.

Discovering who he is, where he is, haha, what would be dangerous about that? We're just a Grey Wizard with a disturbing penchant for strolling into townhouses and leaving with important people in sacks and no one the wiser.

We're just Derpwizard, haha! ... You know who isn't laughing? Van Stolpe. I mean the old Van Stoipe, the one we tortured and killed, not the new Van Stolpe who is very happy with his Elector Count and his spymistress!
 
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They already forced a candidate on Van Hal; it's how we got the job. Everybody forced a candidate on Van Hal. He didn't want any of us except Wilhelmina. Why do you think anything has changed from 3 years ago?
Well, for starters, he's the Elector Count now. No more vote-politicking concessions. That's, uh... that's a pretty big bit of leverage missing. Not saying that that's every bit of leverage gone, obviously there are other things that could influence him, but there very much has been a change.
 
I'm pretty sure you're shadowboxing against a line in my vote that hasn't existed for more than ten hours when talking about the superior's time bit, so you probably want to spend some time getting up to date on what the vote you're arguing against actually looks like.

Also, since it seems you haven't been reading the discussion, I should probably mention that some serious talk about what we know about Schultz and Talabecland was had and it was generally concluded that dropping that intel to Van Hal was a solid move. Unless you've some objection you probably want to add that to your vote lest it remain strictly inferior in that respect.
That deals with the biggest problem.

Second biggest problem is now just pretty much widening the rift for Van Hal and the Sigmarite church by suggesting alternate chaplains, but that's not really so bad for us so I'll go rest off this cold instead.

bleh.

Yeah, it's worked perfectly. 100% success. Literally no problems at all so far.

Remind me how that argument was supposed to work?
Word of GM. The thing IS actually deadly, we've just gotten ridiculously lucky about it and didn't even know.
Well, for starters, he's the Elector Count now. No more vote-politicking concessions. That's, uh... that's a pretty big bit of leverage missing. Not saying that that's every bit of leverage gone, obviously there are other things that could influence him, but there very much has been a change.
Also you know, for spymaster? It's a position he could appoint completely in secret. Have the politicals appoint him someone, then give that guy no funds and occupied with busywork.

Then get a secret spymaster from his Witch Hunter days, living in say...some sewer palace with their own private budget
 
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Second biggest problem is now just pretty much widening the rift for Van Hal and the Sigmarite church by suggesting alternate chaplains,.
But... you voted for that. Right, the advisory council made up of different faiths, doing an end run around Kasmir? That's widening the rift for Van Hal and the Sigmarites.
Word of GM. The thing IS actually deadly, we've just gotten ridiculously lucky about it and didn't even know.
We haven't looked in a mirror for 6 years. That's not luck. That's smarts (and a little filth).
 
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But... you voted for that. Right, the advisory council made up of different faiths, doing an end run around Kasmir? That's widening the rift for Van Hal and the Sigmarites.
That's a clash with Kasmir. Which opens with attempting to reconcile with Kasmir's desired end goal(everyone in the province following Sigmar, which isn't a bad thing in Stirland) and Kasmir's methods(which is likely to see further slide towards chaos and vampires). It's a "you can get things done, or if you don't I'll get things done without you, do you want a say in this or not?"

Actually replacing him and making your chief religious advisor a non-Sigmarite, in a majority Sigmarite province, when the Grand Theogonist specifically put a Sigmarite in?
Thats a clash with the church
 
That deals with the biggest problem.

Second biggest problem is now just pretty much widening the rift for Van Hal and the Sigmarite church by suggesting alternate chaplains, but that's not really so bad for us so I'll go rest off this cold instead.

bleh
Best of luck recovering from your illness.

That said, if you think my vote of "consult the Morrites for an acceptable chaplain; if not one of them they can at least recommend an acceptable Sigmarite to replace the current one" (and the latter is what's going to happen if Van Hal does that, in all likelihood) is going to piss off the Sigmarites more than your vote of "leave the current unacceptable Sigmarite in place but first order him to do stuff he doesn't like for a few months, then when he doesn't listen constantly frustrate him by forcing him to accept a bunch of sub-chaplains and giving them all the power" then we have a serious disagreement on the likely reactions to our plans.

Kasmir is going to go ballistic if Van Hal puts a council of other religions into place, forces him to work with them, and hamstrings him so that he must (and if he's not hamstrung so that he must he'll simply ignore them). He will be fighting Van Hal with his actions and calling on the Grand Theogonist for support in doing so every single turn. Replacing him with someone who can work with the Morrites is a clean cut and leaves a Sigmarite actually in charge, which is going to be way more acceptable to Sigmarites at large if not necessarily to the Grand Theogonist.
 
We haven't looked in a mirror for 6 years. That's not luck. That's smarts (and a little filth).
It is luck, we go to a ton of places where we can't control everything, and it doesn't have to be a mirror. We are a spy, we sneak about places and are inevitably going to sneak into a room with a mirror at some point, or a noble we spy on will have the help really go all out in cleaning the ornamental armour to the point that you can see yourself in it, or something along those lines.
 
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But... you voted for that. Right, the advisory council made up of different faiths, doing an end run around Kasmir? That's widening the rift for Van Hal and the Sigmarites.

We haven't looked in a mirror for 6 years. That's not luck. That's smarts (and a little filth).
No Asp explicitly is luck... the QM rolls every turn, it's just not triggered yet. Reflective surfaces are everywhere.
 
Best of luck recovering from your illness.

That said, if you think my vote of "consult the Morrites for an acceptable chaplain; if not one of them they can at least recommend an acceptable Sigmarite to replace the current one" (and the latter is what's going to happen if Van Hal does that, in all likelihood) is going to piss off the Sigmarites more than your vote of "leave the current unacceptable Sigmarite in place but first order him to do stuff he doesn't like for a few months, then when he doesn't listen constantly frustrate him by forcing him to accept a bunch of sub-chaplains and giving them all the power" then we have a serious disagreement on the likely reactions to our plans.

Kasmir is going to go ballistic if Van Hal puts a council of other religions into place, forces him to work with them, and hamstrings him so that he must (and if he's not hamstrung so that he must he'll simply ignore them). He will be fighting Van Hal with his actions and calling on the Grand Theogonist for support in doing so every single turn. Replacing him with someone who can work with the Morrites is a clean cut and leaves a Sigmarite actually in charge, which is going to be way more acceptable to Sigmarites at large if not necessarily to the Grand Theogonist.
The council includes a local sigmarite. And the point is that Kasmir personally going ballistic is...not hugely important compared to replacing him and the Zealot In Chief going ballistic.

It is luck, we go to a ton of places where we can't control, and it doesn't have to be a mirror. We are a spy, we sneak about places and are inevitably going to sneak into a room with a mirror at some point, or a noble we spy on will have the help really go all out in cleaning the ornamental armour to the point that you can see yourself in it, or something along those lines.
You know...anyone knows how WHF vampires react to mirrors? Because I think I just figured out why we hadn't been hit by Asp yet...
 
Voters, take note:

Following this discussion with @veekie I have modified my Kasmir action in order to make clearer its purpose of recommending to Van Hal that he talk to the other cults and take their advice on finding a Sigmarite they can work with. If you thought the original was fine, you should find this version fine as well but I wanted to eliminate ambiguity- I never wrote the vote thinking that Van Hal would want to put a Morrite in charge or really do so, but rather that he should turn to them as a powerful and well-organized religious order in Stirland for a solid recommendation to find a Piety advisor who is better able to act out his will and Stirland's needs than Kasmir is.

Presumably we are all aware after these discussions that the Grand Theogonist won't like this, but he won't like anything other than rolling over and letting Kasmir's rampant zealotry cripple Stirland's religious infrastructure for however long it takes to turn the place fully to Sigmar and away from anyone else. Personally, I maintain that a clean break from Kasmir and getting an immediate competent Sigmarite replacement is more likely to produce positive results overall than leaving Kasmir in place for years while aggravating him and fighting against his will, soaking up tons of personal actions riding herd on him and accepting sub-par results for however long it takes to force him into line- or, as the other vote leaves open, ultimately firing him anyway after many future turns of effort fighting a failing political battle against him.
 
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That helps clarify a lot.

The vampires have probably been making it customary not to have mirrors in some of the villages and such, since if they DO notice a vampire that way, why they can't do shit about it and the vampire would probably kill them all next...

...and then the Kasmir negaverse questors wonder why Mathilde is never around mirrors and comes to the conclusion she's a daywalker Lahmian.
 
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Well, for starters, he's the Elector Count now. No more vote-politicking concessions. That's, uh... that's a pretty big bit of leverage missing. Not saying that that's every bit of leverage gone, obviously there are other things that could influence him, but there very much has been a change.
Plus one of they people they forced on him kept embezzling, which got him a bullet to the head. They can pressure him, but if he finds evidence or "evidence", they gone.
 
As far as I can tell from tracing new votes (as opposed to edits of old votes), apart from brief periods of ties, [*] Plan Turn This Castle Upside Down And Shake It has been in the lead for quite a while, though it's been damn close. It's gratifying to see that my such passion for the quest. Thank you all for participating.

Voting closed. Beginning writing now.
 
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...and then the Kasmir negaverse questors wonder why Mathilde is never around mirrors and comes to the conclusion she's a daywalker Lahmian.
Heh. We'd need to be MUCH hotter if that were the case. And noble. Laminans basically only turn "enchantingly beautiful maidens ... from amongst the most noble families of the Old World"
 
Heh. We'd need to be MUCH hotter if that were the case. And noble. Laminans basically only turn "enchantingly beautiful maidens ... from amongst the most noble families of the Old World"
We're a wizard. Nobody knows our background aside from the Colleges and maybe Van Hal.
The Kasmir Negaverse don't know shit since as far as they know we're a scrawny wizard thing who decides that swording undead in a tomb with a sword larger than herself is a good idea, and that where we sleep, where we eat are all a mystery.
 
Word of GM. The thing IS actually deadly, we've just gotten ridiculously lucky about it and didn't even know.

I'm sure all of us know it, its just fun trying to justify narrative reasons for good luck rolls, especially when one type of action in particular got very consistent rolls in either direction.

Sometimes the GM would even roll with it and start adding modifiers to insinuate a natural penchant for it. :V
 
@BoneyM and anyone who knows how WHF political system works.

What's stopping Van from setting up new advisory position in his council apart from budget? Like he could get a second stewardship position that splits tax collection from budget disbursement, this ought to reduce load on Wilhelmina and increases accountability of budget. Or split up Architect into defense Architect for anything wall, and civilian Architect for anything road/sanitation.
 
The impression I got was that there's nothing actually STOPPING him, but it costs him actions to manage subordinates, so if he splits a department into two he doubles the expenses and his personal action commitment to do the same things via micromanagement
 
Splitting a position into two makes it half as desirable and twice as difficult for each position, and likely to result in work grinding to a halt as the two squabble over who gets to be in charge of what.
 
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