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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Guile said:
So hey, you know how if we fail to follow our mysterious spymaster's instructions, we will be 'declared rogue', which I assume means the Grey Order hunts us down and murders us?

What do you think they'll do if they think we're trying to ID them? I'm assuming the Grey Order has something worse than mere excommunication and death they can throw at us, in such case.
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Well, uh.

They can rip out the magical ability from our soul and leave us an ever-screaming husk of a woman.

So that's a thing.

Also:

[x] Plan Solid Core
 
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Guile said:
So hey, you know how if we fail to follow our mysterious spymaster, we will be 'declared rogue', which I assume means the Grey Order hunts us down and murders us?

What do you think they'll do if they think we're trying to ID them? I'm assuming the Grey Order has something worse than mere excommunication and death they can throw at us, in such case.
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And what will that matter if we are being played and our master is a vampire or chaos cultist? If we are working for them without our knowledge eventually the other shoe will drop and then we will get purged for being there tool. I don't want to betray Van Hal because we weren't willing to make sure we are reporting to the Emperor or some other legitimate source. If it does turn out that we are being used as a villains patsy and get declared rouge for trying to fight against them don't you think Van Hal will at least stick up for us? he is an elector count that is enough to at least get our case dragged before the eyes of someone at the top.

Basically what is the bigger risk dying because of not investigating and turning out to have been aiding the enemy in ignorance or looking to make sure we are not aiding a dark agenda but risk being declared rogue if we mess up if our master turns out to be willing to pull the trigger simply because we know who he is. It not as cut an dry a choice as it looks but I favor the latter. Also if we do turn out to be reporting to the emperor and he finds out, do you really think he will burn a loyal agent just for knowing who he is working for?
 
Heretek said:
Not necessarily. We'd just have to spend actions worming into everyone's good graces, but especially Van Hal's. Or corrupting them by placing warpstone in their bedroom walls or some such.
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I mostly think Van Hal is extremely paranoid. But the questers here are very astute (minus the Kasmir thing in turn 2) so it could've gone pretty well.

Maybe.
 
DarkLight140 said:
As a practical matter once he was installed as Elector Count no one is getting him out of that office short of an invasion (or assassination), so he doesn't need continued votes in his favor in order to retain the thing that they gave him originally.
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You know him well enough to have some insight into his psychology: Van Hal treads softly until he's absolutely sure of his position, then he acts, and when he acts he does so in a manner that will require no follow-up. Schultz and Kasmir haven't had to play their trump cards because Van Hal hasn't pushed them to the point that they feel the need to push back. The result is a stalemate until Van Hal has secured a position where he can act in such a way that any trump cards held by those he sees by his enemies are insufficient to save them.

In this way, he's still a Witch Hunter of his own mien. He comes into town, he investigates, he avoids muddying the waters, he treads softly. Then once he's gathered all the facts and got into position he acts in such a way that wherever he's visiting won't need another Witch Hunter for at least a generation, because they may not see one for another generation.

Whether that translates well to his current job is debatable.
Adhoc vote count started by BoneyM on Feb 2, 2018 at 6:51 PM, finished with 282 posts and 36 votes.
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    -[X] As Per Orders: Perform your current assignment. Choose ONE to have Van Hal's assistance with.
    --[X] Examine and interrogate the imprisoned infiltrator.
    ---[X] Van Halp
    --[X] Trace their actions inside the castle, investigate every facet of what they did and see if there's a way they somehow could have sabotaged something.
    --[X] Walk back their movements, see whether they left the castle and if so, what they were doing.
    --[X] Go out to the nearby villages and confirm the details of every single servant claiming to be from there.
    ---[X] Overwork
    -[X] Influencing Van Hal: You're going to be spending time with him anyway, that's a lot of time to talk. Choose up to ONE. If 'Sucking Up To The Boss' is chosen, choose up to TWO.
    --[X] He's seriously considering getting rid of Kasmir. Spend some time with him and suggest a specific approach, or try to talk him out of it. (write in approach and reasons)
    ---[X] Approach: You'd suggest to avoid doing anything as extreme as to the late Marshal, as that would ensure that the clergy of Stirland and the general Church of Sigmar would go from passive interference to active disruption. Which leaves three ways:
    ----[X] Rehabilitation: Approach it as a strategic exercise for Kasmir, that he cannot effectively convert the residents of Stirland back to Sigmar's will if he does not know the opposition. Challenge Kasmir to find out what needs are met by Morr, Ulric and Shallya which Sigmar's servants have not been meeting, then meet them. More importantly, find out how to tell apart those who are of different faiths, from those who are loyal to abominations unto Sigmar, of the vampires and necromancers that blight the world, take examples from Sigmar's own trials under each god to gain their blessing and how his own priests should emulate their god in uniting the gods of Man against the forces of Night. There's nothing to be lost but time and possibly patience from trying this approach first.
    ----[X] Provocation: Appoint influential local priests of Morr, Shallya, Rhya, Ulric, and maybe even Handrich, Myrmidia and whatever the halflings follow as Kasmir's advisory council, in addition to a local Sigmarite priest. Either he'd learn to work with the other faiths, achieving the objective without having to cross the Grand Theogonist, or Kasmir would be goaded into doing something unfortunate to his advisory council, in which case you'd be able to fire Kasmir for criminal action. Bonus if you can make sure that said priests come from noble backgrounds so as to make the resultant mess as hard to sweep away as possible.
    ----[X] Sabotage: You're hesitant to suggest this, but it would be possible to plant evidence in Kasmir's rooms that he's been working with the contents of the East Wing in secret. Which would give Van Hal the justification to execute him if successful. The problem is that given the way such things work, its all too easy for a lie to become reality and you'd really rather not touch any of it yourself.
    ----[X] You'd recommend trying to rehabilitate him before going with the the provocation approach, since it SHOULD be useful even if it fails, and theres really nothing stopping the Grand Theogonist from sending endless and increasingly worse lines of zealots as he removes each one. The best course of action is one which makes Kasmir an asset, as the Grand Theogonist cannot replace him or censure us if we change Kasmir's mind on things.
    -[X] Backtracking and Side Operations:
    --[X] Okay. A report on the new Martial. Follow them around for a while, see what you can find out about them. (NEW)
    ---[X] Van Hal gets a copy as well.
    --[X] Try to tail the messenger who you give the report to. (NEW)
    ---[X] Ranald's Blessing
    -[X] Van Hal can get you veterans of the Army of Stirland - mostly uneducated and suspicious of magic, but unquestionably loyal to Stirland. (no action required, -10g discretionary/turn each) (NEW)
    --[X] Get five.
    ---[X] Assign one to Bidenhof, Tarshof and Julbach each. Preferably someone who comes from those villages. Their job is to keep you up to date with the village rumors and point out what's just local custom, and whats unusual for those villages, as well as to acquire more gossips/informants from the village outlying farms in their own time.
    ---[X] Assign one to keep in touch with Swartzhafen, preferably someone who knows the Commander there.
    ---[X] Assign one to summing up the Wurtbad Watch's reports and to personally get to know the Watchmen.
    --[X] Pay for them to be taught literacy, and basic sums if necessary. Check if they have any useful side skills. Assign to other tasks if they do.
    --[X] You'll get someone more educated(and no doubt, more expensive) from Anton later to manage what these guys churn out, but for now their job is to expand the not-at-all subtle informants and save your ass from riding up and down the country all year.
    -[X] Home Comforts: Your Palace-Shrine is bursting with potential. And also mud.
    --[X] Wardrobe Expansion: Start wearing a tunic and breeches under your wizard's robes. (no action required, -personal gold)
    --[X] Diggy Diggy Hole, Outsourced: Pay someone to do the digging, then Mindhole them on their way out. (no action required, -personal gold)
    --[X] Enchantment: So far you've failed to find suitable equipment (damn Wizard Chic) but you could always try again with local goods. (-personal gold, action required to set up and learn to use equipment, action expenditure can be postponed) (NEW)
    ---[X] Postpone action. Just buy the stuff first.
    -[X] Research:
    --[X] That damn Asp has still been quiet, but now you've got a lead. Peruse the book Light And It's Properties, by Leonardo da Miragliano. (NEW)
    [x] Plan Turn This Castle Upside Down And Shake It
    -[x] Examine closely the corpse of the slain infiltrator, trying to determine the cause of their abilities.
    --[x] Van Hal assists
    --[x] Overwork
    -[x] Examine and interrogate the imprisoned infiltrator.
    -[x] Walk back their movements, see whether they left the castle and if so, what they were doing.
    -[x] Closely interrogate every remaining servant.
    -[x] Go out to the nearby villages and confirm the details of every single servant claiming to be from there.
    -[x] If Kasmir is to be removed, he'll need replacing. Suggest somewhere that Van Hal could look to find someone.
    --[x] The Morrites are a key part of the defense against Sylvania and care for Stirland. They can likely suggest one of their own, or if that's not politically feasible, they could at least provide a recommendation as to a Sigmarite who they know that they and Stirland's other cults can work with well.
    -[x] Van Hal is having a crisis of faith, but as someone whose religion demands that she not talk about her religion, you don't think you can help. See if you can convince Wilhelmina to talk him through this. (no action)
    -[x] Mention to Van Hal that you heard from your master in Altdorf that Schultz was the concession that brought Talabecland's vote. You have no reason to suspect his commitment to his role in Stirland, but it appears that Talabecland interests wanted him here. (no action)
    -[x] Van Hal can get you veterans of the Army of Stirland - mostly uneducated and suspicious of magic, but unquestionably loyal to Stirland. (no action required, -10g discretionary/turn each)
    --[x] Assign one to each of Drebkau and Langwald with orders to move in, build contacts, and send us reports regularly on recent events with an emphasis on anything unusual or suspicious. Veterans who have already retired into those locations or intend to do so anyway would be ideal.
    --[x] Assign one to keep an eye on opinions in the military. Put an emphasis on the new Marshal for now, from his staff if they can manage it.
    --[x] Assign one to keep in close contact with the Wurtbad Watch and personally get to know the Watchmen.
    --[x] Hire a scribe to ensure that they are literate and numerate enough to send regular legible reports. (-15g discretionary)
    -[x] Van Hal recommended asking Anton about sons and daughters of nobles to use as assistants. They're likely to be well-educated and politically savvy, but their loyalties would be to their family and they may be undisciplined. Line up some interviews and see how it goes.
    --[x] Ranald's Blessing
    -[x] Report on Gustav based upon the previous investigation, anything learned from initially meeting him and asking some general questions about his background and plans, and whatever the new hires turn up before the deadline. (no action)
    --[x] Pass anything new to Van Hal, as well. (no action)
    -[X] Home Comforts: Your Palace-Shrine is bursting with potential. And also mud.
    --[X] Diggy Diggy Hole, Outsourced: Pay someone to do the digging, then Mindhole them on their way out. (no action required, -personal gold)
    -[x] Wardrobe Expansion: Start wearing a tunic and breeches under your wizard's robes. (no action required, -personal gold)
    --[x] Enchantment: So far you've failed to find suitable equipment (damn Wizard Chic) but you could always try again with local goods. (-personal gold, action required to set up and learn to use equipment, action expenditure can be postponed)
    ---[X] Postpone action. Just buy the stuff first.
    -[x] That damn Asp has still been quiet, but now you've got a lead. Peruse the book Light And It's Properties, by Leonardo da Miragliano.
    -[x] Mention to van Hal that you heard from your master in Altdorf that Schultz was the concession that brought Talabeclands vote. You have no reason to suspect Schultzs' commitment to his role in Stirland, but it appears that Talabecland interests wanted him here.
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Wild idea, maybe our backer was the current emperor (whoever he is), and derp was an extra pair of eye that gauges the stability of Stirland. Because witch hunters can't hunt effectively without usable underlings that are the advisors.
 
masterofmadness said:
And what will that matter if we are being played and our master is a vampire or chaos cultist? If we are working for them without our knowledge eventually the other shoe will drop and then we will get purged for being there tool. I don't want to betray Van Hal because we weren't willing to make sure we are reporting to the Emperor or some other legitimate source. If it does turn out that we are being used as a villains patsy and get declared rouge for trying to fight against them don't you think Van Hal will at least stick up for us? he is an elector count that is enough to at least get our case dragged before the eyes of someone at the top.

Basically what is the bigger risk dying because of not investigating and turning out to have been aiding the enemy in ignorance or looking to make sure we are not aiding a dark agenda but risk being declared rogue if we mess up if our master turns out to be willing to pull the trigger simply because we know who he is. It not as cut an dry a choice as it looks but I favor the latter. Also if we do turn out to be reporting to the emperor and he finds out, do you really think he will burn a loyal agent just for knowing who he is working for?
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You think our master, and by extension the Grey Order, is being played by a vampire or Chaos cultist?

It was pretty clear our shadowy master is someone in the Grey Order. We got that note from our Magister. The threat if we don't give information is being hunted by the Grey Order. The mage order whose entire creed is 'do whatever it takes for the good of the Empire, on pain of execution', they wouldn't be in bed with a vampire.
 
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@BoneyM, that's interesting, but... why the heck would the Elector Count of Talabecland not tell Van Hal "hey, now that you've gotten elected with my backing, let's be friends! Schultz is a reliable guy who I've placed on your council, please keep him informed and in place and we can both benefit, with of course me benefiting slightly more but them's the breaks"? Van Hal doesn't have enough political allies that it would be wise for him to say no, and it's to Talabecland's benefit for Van Hal to be aware that they're his backer in becoming Elector Count and controlling part of his council (as opposed to having him searching for nebulous controller-threats and allowing any faction in existence to claim to be in charge of Schultz). Just like it's to the Grand Theogonist's benefit for him to be aware that they're backing Kasmir, and the Imperial Spymaster's benefit for him to know that they've got their puppets. Where is any of this ambiguity or uncertainty coming from? It seems to require that people act against their own interests.

If it's taken as given that Van Hal doesn't know any of them, given his personality his actions make sense. But "Schultz hasn't played his trump card" seems silly when the guy who put him in place can benefit more from an open hand than a sleeved ace.
 
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That'd be the approach if Talabecland saw Van Hal as an ally to prop up, instead of a compromise candidate to keep a careful eye on.

Can someone think of a reason why Talabecland, the trading crossroads of the Empire, might be cautious and suspicious about Stirland?
 
Great Quest so far BoneyM, I like both of the plans some although I have to question the wisdom of suggesting the framing of a warrior priest of Sigmar to a member of the order of the Silver Hammer crisis of faith or not. I think that the reason they are at logger heads has really to do with the fact that Van Hal is trying to juggle a job he was not trained for and against the fact that the Grand Theoganist has sent a priest who is lacking not in faith but in knowledge of the other major cults in Stirland. Why Kasmir is spending all his time trying to strengthening the cult in the province to the degree that it is causing a former witch hunter to get upset with him tells me that the Grand Theoganist is worried about the piety of the province to the exclusion of all else which considering where we are is understandable to a degree yet why he would not have made that clear to Van Hal when he put him forward for the position tell me something is off. I also find it amazing that the boss managed to survive 20 years as a Witch Hunter with such low piety, he must have been so good at killing things that his bosses decide to ignore the areas he is weak in.
BoneyM could you tell us anything about the current Grand Theoganist which could tell us why he sent a priest of Sigmar who for some reason does not know enough about the cults of Morr and Shalya to see if some one is lying about their faith. I know the witch hunters are the ones trained to find enemies of the empire that hide in plain site and those that do not but Kasmir not knowing the basics cults of Morr and Shalya is weird. Because Morr is one one of the cults of the empire that the cult of Sigmar works well with especially when it come to the undead and I would think that would be seen the most in Stirland. Why he would not send us a priest who could both strengthen peoples faith in Sigmar across Stirland and work with the representatives of Morr and Shalya is something we need to find out because it could help us prevent thing from getting worse between the two of them.
 
BoneyM said:
Can someone think of a reason why Talabecland, the trading crossroads of the Empire, might be cautious and suspicious about Stirland?
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Something something gibbly eating caravans bad for business? :V

Or something something Moot is good business if Stirland can keep the damn border secure and roads safe?
 
BoneyM said:
That'd be the approach if Talabecland saw Van Hal as an ally to prop up, instead of a compromise candidate to keep a careful eye on.

Can someone think of a reason why Talabecland, the trading crossroads of the Empire, might be cautious and suspicious about Stirland?
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I assume the answer is somehow 'vampires'? It's usually vampires.
 
BoneyM said:
That'd be the approach if Talabecland saw Van Hal as an ally to prop up, instead of a compromise candidate to keep a careful eye on.

Can someone think of a reason why Talabecland, the trading crossroads of the Empire, might be cautious and suspicious about Stirland?
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Because the Stirland League is fucking with the trade routes.

EDIT: A well-placed trade route could undercut Talabecland and create a new route between the Southern Provinces and the Northeast. Ostermark and Kislev might not be the biggest trade partners but that's still a sizeable toll revenue.
 
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Stewart9 said:
BoneyM could you tell us anything about the current Grand Theoganist which could tell us why he sent a priest of Sigmar who for some reason does not know enough about the cults of Morr and Shalya to see if some one is lying about their faith. I know the witch hunters are the ones trained to find enemies of the empire that hide in plain site and those that do not but Kasmir not knowing the basics cults of Morr and Shalya is weird. Because Morr is one one of the cults of the empire that the cult of Sigmar works well with especially when it come to the undead and I would think that would be seen the most in Stirland. Why he would not send us a priest who could both strengthen peoples faith in Sigmar across Stirland and work with the representatives of Morr and Shalya is something we need to find out because it could help us prevent thing from getting worse between the two of them.
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There's a troublesome line of thought within the Sigmarite faith that if Sigmar was a) the Emperor and b) a God, then he's the Emperor of the Gods, and therefore all other gods should be secondary and subservient to him. You don't know the current Grand Theogonist well enough to say if he leans that way, but the fact that his candidate to Stirland was so uncompromising can be seen as telling.

(there's another line of thought that all the other gods are dead and Sigmar's the only true god left and all followers of other gods are secretly chaos worshippers, but that's less common)


General note to the thread: be careful of assuming that everyone else knows Van Hal as well as you do, and would agree with you about what acting in the greater interests of the Empire means.
 
HanEmpire said:
Because the Stirland League is fucking with the trade routes.
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Doesn't really work. If Talabecland doesn't like the Stirlandian League then an open approach is still better because they can openly tell Van Hal that they find that shit unacceptable and now that he's installed they want it dismantled, or he'll lose one of the few friends he has. He knew basically nil about the trade situation in Stirland before taking the job, after all.
 
BoneyM said:
General note to the thread: be careful of assuming that everyone else knows Van Hal as well as you do, and would agree with you about what acting in the greater interests of the Empire means.
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^^^ The kind of thing above derp's pay grade and a complete Hornet's nest. Maybe we will ask if Van want a sounding board for his Elector Count political game at most.
 
DarkLight140 said:
Doesn't really work. If Talabecland doesn't like the Stirlandian League then an open approach is still better because they can openly tell Van Hal that they find that shit unacceptable and now that he's installed they want it dismantled, or he'll lose one of the few friends he has. He knew basically nil about the trade situation in Stirland before taking the job, after all.
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That's an empty threat because they've been a non-entity for Van Hal so far. All that'll accomplish is poison relations and lose whatever influence Talabecland had with Stirland.

Plus the League is operating separate from the Elector Count so pushing Van Hal does nothing. All Talabecland seems to be doing is keeping tabs on Van Hal to see how he handles the situation. If he starts using it against Talabecland's interests then they'd have an agent there to pass information and act from the inside.
 
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HanEmpire said:
That's an empty threat because they've been a non-entity for Van Hal so far. All that'll accomplish is poison relations and lose whatever influence Talabecland had with Stirland.

Plus the League is operating separate from the Elector Count so pushing Van Hal does nothing. All they seem to be doing is keeping tabs on Van Hal to see how he handles the situation, and if he starts using it against Talabecland's interests then they'd have an agent there to pass information and act from the inside.
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... Poison relations? But Van Hal doesn't like the Stirland League either. It's a monopoly grinding down on his people, probably still answering to Weber's predecessor, who was negligently greedy at best and a vampire spy at worst.
 
Guile said:
... Poison relations? But Van Hal doesn't like the Stirland League either. It's a monopoly grinding down on his people, probably still answering to Weber's predecessor, who was negligently greedy at best and a vampire spy at worst.
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Van Hal won't like another Elector Count trying to pressure him with marching orders, no matter how sensible they are.
 
Guile said:
But Van Hal doesn't like the Stirland League either.
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You know that. Does Talabecland know that? Does Schultz?

As important, sometimes more important, than a piece of information itself, is who knows it. Nobody acts with perfect information. They draw conclusions based on their biases and preconceptions and the limited and unreliable information available to them. I don't want to spoonfeed the thread here, but this is an important teachable moment, so: turn on reader mode and ctrl-F 'Stirlandian League'. See how much Schultz has heard of it. Imagine you're the Elector Count of Talabecland and have little more than Schultz's reports and the ongoing effects on trade to draw conclusions from. Then picture what the people playing Talabecland Quest would conclude about the Elector Count of Stirland.
 
masterofmadness said:
Basically what is the bigger risk dying because of not investigating and turning out to have been aiding the enemy in ignorance or looking to make sure we are not aiding a dark agenda but risk being declared rogue if we mess up if our master turns out to be willing to pull the trigger simply because we know who he is. It not as cut an dry a choice as it looks but I favor the latter. Also if we do turn out to be reporting to the emperor and he finds out, do you really think he will burn a loyal agent just for knowing who he is working for?
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I agree that investigating our puppetmaster is important, but have you seen the list of spells Grey Wizards get? There are some ridiculously good spells on there for infiltration and shadowing people, and note that we don't know them. Our intrigue skills are still mediocre, too. A course of action which prioritizes looking into who is puppeting us should start by building up the appropriate skillset to have a ghost of a chance at following up on this line of questioning successfully instead of being caught and having our master decide that we need reminding who our true boss is. And we will be caught; the Grey Order handed us that letter and our marching orders and they're the best at subterfuge in the Empire. The first investigation when no one knows that we're going to act is very likely to be the easiest investigation, so we should be working to set ourselves up to ace it.

It's telling that the vote where we selected puppetmastery was the one to choose our driving motivation. That sets the scale of what's happening here; it's basically the main plotline for the quest that is not going away without something on the scale of the plotline involved in a zealot losing their religion or a family-driven nepotist giving up on their blood ties entirely. We're not going to be getting to the bottom of it quickly or easily and should not be rushing to do so when we're largely unprepared.

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That's an empty threat because they've been a non-entity for Van Hal so far. All that'll accomplish is poison relations and lose whatever influence Talabecland had with Stirland.

Plus the League is operating separate from the Elector Count so pushing Van Hal does nothing. All they seem to be doing is keeping tabs on Van Hal to see how he handles the situation. If he starts using it against Talabecland's interests then they'd have an agent there to pass information and act from the inside.
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They've been a non-entity for Van Hal because they chose to be a non-entity. Van Hal could have had his diplomatic advisor doing inter-Elector Count relations from day 1 and as far as we can tell no one ever bothered to send him a note.

Likewise, Talabecland has no influence with Stirland to lose, because they have not chosen to exert/reveal their hand and thus it might as well not exist for purposes of Van Hal's decision-making process, since he doesn't know about them except as nebulous puppetmasters that could be anyone from Kislev to the dark elves. If their trade with Stirland is shit and it's Stirland's fault, then telling the new Count "now that you're in charge, take your County in hand so that they stop assassinating our merchants or we'll hate you for making us keep losing tons of money" doesn't disadvantage them in any significant way because they're already in a position so bad that they have no meaningful relations with Stirland to poison.
 
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Guile said:
You think our master, and by extension the Grey Order, is being played by a vampire or Chaos cultist?

It was pretty clear our shadowy master is someone in the Grey Order. We got that note from our Magister. The threat if we don't give information is being hunted by the Grey Order. The mage order whose entire creed is 'do whatever it takes for the good of the Empire, on pain of execution', they wouldn't be in bed with a vampire.
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First off I never said I thought our master was a vampire or chaos infiltrator I said it was a possibility and worth investigating.

Second we have no confirmation our master is in the grey order we are assuming that because the only legit authorities who could do that are the emperor or a higher placed member of the grey order than our teacher.

Third, note I said legit authorities because their are factions who could pull off infiltrating at that high a level of imperial authority, most notably the Lahmian vampire network or a high placed chaos double agent. And before anyone says anything about someone infiltrating the imperial government that highly as an agent of chaos I will point out Egrimm van Horstmann who was the patriarch of the white order and a servant of chaos. Who might actually still be around and corrupting apprentices at this point in the timeline by the way.

So yes it is possible for us to be serving an unknown evil party, and that is also assuming the threat about declaring us rouge is real and not a bluff to get us to comply.
 
DarkLight140 said:
They've been a non-entity for Van Hal because they chose to be a non-entity. Van Hal could have had his diplomatic advisor doing inter-Elector Count relations from day 1 and as far as we can tell no one ever bothered to send him a note.
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Then they're not friends with him are they?

It makes no sense to insult the new Elector Count by making demands of him when there's no proof that he's done anything wrong. Talabecland must've inserted Schultz as an informant to see how Van Hal views the Stirland League and plans to deal with it. They'll act once they have a clear picture or feel the need to accelerate, not before.
 
Yeah, we should really tell Van Hel about the Talabecland infiltrator and get him to feed him some information about how much he hates the Stirland League, which is totally the reason for the trade issues.
 
masterofmadness said:
First off I never said I thought our master was a vampire or chaos infiltrator I said it was a possibility and worth investigating.
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If you bring up the idea that our secret master is a vampire or Chaos cultist, then I'm going to assume that you believe he's a vampire or Chaos cultist.
Second we have no confirmation our master is in the grey order we are assuming that because the only legit authorities who could do that are the emperor or a higher placed member of the grey order than our teacher.
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We have no confirmation our master is in the Grey Order, except for the fact that only the Patriarch of the Grey Order or the Emperor could give our magister this order to give to us.
Third, note I said legit authorities because their are factions who could pull off infiltrating at that high a level of imperial authority, most notably the Lahmian vampire network or a high placed chaos double agent. And before anyone says anything about someone infiltrating the imperial government that highly as an agent of chaos I will point out Egrimm van Horstmann who was the patriarch of the white order and a servant of chaos. Who might actually still be around and corrupting apprentices at this point in the timeline by the way.

So yes it is possible for us to be serving an unknown evil party, and that is also assuming the threat about declaring us rouge is real and not a bluff to get us to comply.
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If the Patriarch of the Grey Order turns out to be a fucking Chaos cultist, then the Grey Order has more problems than coming after us for serving a Chaos cultist.

They would all be serving the same Chaos cultist.
 
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