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You know, IIRC Heide was a bit worried Mandred might end up magical. Maybe there's more to the "tutor" part of the offer than it seems.
If you're talking about the neighing-horse toy gift, I don't think that was it at all. My read was Heidi foresaw someone would think Mandred was magical and had spontaneously enchanted it himself, while the Rune of Ulgu would be enough to show it was actually crafted by her favourite Shadowmancer coconspirator.
 
Honestly the one thats most interesting to me is the Border Princess since its between K8P and our earlier kinda home. By cleaning it up we 1 bring order to an entire province and help protect Empire from Ork and other badie attacks. 2 we make the trip from K8P and other Dwarven Holds to the Empire more easily traversed and safer on the whole, upping trade, Dwarven Human relations and just increasing the safety of most all involved and most importantly create a giant power base for ourselves to fall back on that isnt Dwarven in origin. We would be creating a most likely Magic and magician, at least approved magics, friendly territory of the Empire and that also would be a bulwark against many threats and have friendly relations with the Dwarves as they too would benefit greatly.

Plus we would still get to work on stuff cause we have or could more easily get back to K8P and our base of operations there. Also could start setting up teleportation towers in a line from K8P to the Empire once we have it mostly under control for quick movement and build or at least prototype Defensive super weapons to help secure our territory that we could also then apply to K8P and other holds and places we want to stand for a long time and curry favor with.

At least that is how i see this, best of all worlds since we still get to do research, improve Empire and Dwarven Rep and Relations, improve Rep with colleges for making a migic friendly territory in the Empire and build ourselves a massive power base to fall back on if needed.

Plussssss we get to work on any Waystones we come across since no one is around to stop us and we have the oportunity to research other new magic items and stuff we come across.
 
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And besides, if Heidi doesn't already have shaping Mandred's loyalties and views on lockdown, I'll eat Mathilde's hat.
I'm quite confident she does. I'm rather less confident that her priorities there are identical to what Mathilde's would be. I'm actually not super into this option personally, but let's not act like Mathilde being able to influence the next Emperor (probably; technically he would still need to be elected, I think) would be superfluous because surely Heidi our 100% trustworthy friend will instill exactly the values and beliefs that we would. I like Heidi. But that's just a bit much.
Yep, this. It's a very long term task, raising a child who barely has a personality at this point. I have faith Boney could keep it interesting, but if I have a say in matters it's not the sort of story I'm looking for. Plenty of the other options seem much more intriguing - and realistically if we want waystones to happen I think it needs to be a full time job. It's also an excellent compromise option.
Waystones have a bit of everything - Elves, Dwarfs, Staying in K8P, traveling, The Colleges, The Empire.
This, however, I broadly agree with. Waystones are still the +++ option to beat IMO. Some of these offers do look quite interesting in their own right (being in charge of Skaven Intrigue Stuff for Wissenland, doing Kislev stuff for Ranald in particular) and I'd be fairly happy with those, but Waystones are still going to get my vote out of every possibility we've seen so far.
If we go Border Princess, how hard would it be to make an Orc Bait Fortress in the same conceptual vein as the Screaming Tower, or whatever Algard's cultist trap is called?
I mean. An "Orc Bait Fortress" can be defined as "a fortress that orcs can reach"; there's really no magic required to get orcs to come attack you. You just need to look like a good fight. Also, I'm generally strongly opposed to going Empire Builder in the Border Princes, because that's the mediocre indefensible land that nobody important really wants to occupy since they've got better things to point any spare military power at. If people want to build a fiefdom then there are many, many places inside the Empire that are yet to be developed thanks to all the enemies living there, and Roswita's already offered us our pick out of pretty much all the ones she has available to offer. Which I'm not that into either tbh, but at least it's more worthwhile than building castles in the sand out in the Border Princes IMO.
 
Well...

This basically. You don't give them a fortress that they give up beating their heads against. You give them a clear path forward to make progress towards the fight, like say a giant doom fortress what has a giant breach in it. They pour in, working their way around to the second layer, where there's another breach for them to charge through. Rinse and repeat, murdering them from above on both sides the entire way, so that the Waaagh gets fully invested and can't withdraw without being massacred. Shake and bake the area with burning shadows to remove the spores, and wait for the next customers.
Don't forget to set up the fortress so that it teleports to concentrations of Waaagh! energy within or near the territory that Mathilde will be taking over.
If people want to build a fiefdom then there are many, many places inside the Empire that are yet to be developed thanks to all the enemies living there, and Roswita's already offered us our pick out of pretty much all the ones she has available to offer. Which I'm not that into either tbh, but at least it's more worthwhile than building castles in the sand out in the Border Princes IMO.
Ah, but how many of those involve securing the most vulnerable part of the canal's waterway against Marienburg being stupid?
 
Legitimately though, if people want to solve the Waystone Problem, the answer is not "Double down where we are", if the problem can be solved locally, it would have been by now.

Swamp Town is legitimately the best option with regards to that, because it puts us theoretically in range to make contacts in Ulthuan and Lustria who might have valuable data on the project, while the infrastructure we've set up back home work on the problem from that perspective.
Locally. As in, in Karaz Ankor, where a waystone has not been brought online in... ever. There has never, ever been a reclaimed Hold that actually had a waystone for Eonir to notice it.

Locally, as in, when elves talked to dwarfs. Because you know, that happens a lot i am sure. Meet them talking in a pub like best friends.

Mathilde has literally created conditions that enable cooperation not seen in 5000 years. There is nothing "problem could be solved locally" here. There have literally never been a confluence of events that would create conditions for it. Taking a stab at actually trying to bring online the Eonir waystones, with actually Eonir and Dwarfs as we can, is way more sure than hoping that the Lizardmen will actually try to talk with us. Which is, as far as i am aware, not something they do for people. Ever.

And High Elves aren't actually doing so hot about waystones themselves.

So yeah, actually surefire way of leveraging our extremely unique position into this research, which is the first time anyone has looked into this stuff, ever, locally, sounds like way better bet than what you are suggesting.
 
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Is it bad that I'm disappointed Roswita didn't offer us a heritable Markgraf title? I mean, we probably weren't going to have kids anyway, but still. If you want our help, you gotta shell out, Roswita :rolleyes2:

(I imagine if we want an heir at some point, we'd probably adopt a young apprentice as a sort of two birds with one stone deal)
 
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Also, I'm generally strongly opposed to going Empire Builder in the Border Princes, because that's the mediocre indefensible land that nobody important really wants to occupy since they've got better things to point any spare military power at. If people want to build a fiefdom then there are many, many places inside the Empire that are yet to be developed thanks to all the enemies living there, and Roswita's already offered us our pick out of pretty much all the ones she has available to offer. Which I'm not that into either tbh, but at least it's more worthwhile than building castles in the sand out in the Border Princes IMO.
I'd argue giving the Empire more protection from any Waaaghs along with securing trade routes is worth far more than taking some random area of land in the empire and making it more productive.

Sylvania being an exception... though its starting to become more stable too.

Our towers and spells may be the one thing able to make the fortifications able to defend some of the borderlands too.
 
Is it bad that I'm disappointed Roswita didn't offer us a heritable Markgraf title? I mean, we probably weren't going to have kids anyway, but still :rolleyes2:
Roswita is still the rightful Elector of Stirland, and doesn't want to give up Sylvania in perpetuity. I don't think that was a dig at Mathilde, but that the position is inherently temporary, until Sylvania gets its shit together.
 
I'm quite confident she does. I'm rather less confident that her priorities there are identical to what Mathilde's would be. I'm actually not super into this option personally, but let's not act like Mathilde being able to influence the next Emperor (probably; technically he would still need to be elected, I think) would be superfluous because surely Heidi our 100% trustworthy friend will instill exactly the values and beliefs that we would. I like Heidi. But that's just a bit much.
Actually, that's kind of what I meant; Heidi's probably already been shaping Mandred's views quite a bit, and she has much more influence over him than Mathilde could. In the face of that, I think any additions or tweaks Mathilde could make would be relatively minor. Though admittedly, my opinion is probably a bit biased, considering I'm not interested in this option at all.
 
Is it bad that I'm disappointed Roswita didn't offer us a heritable Markgraf title? I mean, we probably weren't going to have kids anyway, but still. If you want our help, you gotta shell out, Roswita :rolleyes2:
if she could she probably would but what's she's doing is already something no wizard has ever received. Better not to push too far and have the cult of sigmar and any idiots kick up a fuss.
 
I can already see Mathilde setting up her church of Ranald, with her Cardinals, Archbishops, Bishops, Priests, Deacons and Altarboys. A complete and utterly dedicated, entirely absent, church hierarchy!
(I'm not sure the Sigmarites dare dislike Mathilde. Mathilde hundred-thousand-Orc-murderer. Mathilde who-was-such-a- dwarf-friend-she-actually-was-a-dwarf.)

I have the sneaking suspicion that, if we pick the young Emperor, Wolf will be more involved than Mathilde in raising him.

Picking between Skaven town or Vampire land is though one, both give Mechanicsburg vibes^^.

Don't like the Border Princes much, ..except for getting that elusive Princess title.

In one of my TW:WH games there was a great man that tirelessly beat back the hordes of chaos, ultimately destroying the Everchosen. He we was beloved by everyone. Praise Vlad von Carstein Hero of the Empire and the Karaz Ankor! What I'm saying is that a way to socially accepted Necromancy might exist :p

(More seriously; In general I'm more in favor of paths that are less likely to become schedule/CK turn votes)
 
Guys, I am going to join @picklepikkl infructuous efforts, and try to remember you all that that THESE ARE ONLY A PART OF THE OPTIONS!!!
So please, calm your horses until Boney gives us the rest of the list, which I am willing to bet that will include several options to work directly with the Dwarfs, and probably even weirder options from other potential employers...
 
Is it bad that I'm disappointed Roswita didn't offer us a heritable Markgraf title? I mean, we probably weren't going to have kids anyway, but still. If you want our help, you gotta shell out, Roswita :rolleyes2:

(I imagine if we want an heir at some point, we'd probably adopt a young apprentice as a sort of two birds with one stone deal)
she did.

the Markgraf is not inheritable, but if we take it we will have our picks of the inheritable titles at a latter date.
 
If you're talking about the neighing-horse toy gift, I don't think that was it at all. My read was Heidi foresaw someone would think Mandred was magical and had spontaneously enchanted it himself, while the Rune of Ulgu would be enough to show it was actually crafted by her favourite Shadowmancer coconspirator.
Fair enough. I seem to have been remembering the order of that conversation wrong.
 
Is it bad that I'm disappointed Roswita didn't offer us a heritable Markgraf title? I mean, we probably weren't going to have kids anyway, but still. If you want our help, you gotta shell out, Roswita :rolleyes2:
One of the particular features of a Markgraf title historically was that it sometimes was deliberately non-hereditary because it wasn't a stable specific domain that fit the inheritance rules. An Edgelord frequently had a secondary job of poaching whatever extra territory he could from the neighbors beyond the frontier, expanding the overlord's reach, and when the Edgelord dies some of that territory gets reconsidered for whether to hold it, abandon it, split it up into several titles, and/or declare some of it less-edgy now. I don't know if this is what Boney has in mind, but it seems a thing to do in Sylvania Eastern Stirland.
 
Yeah, I think that the Bodyguard offer will be a lot of Wolf protectively growling at anyone near Mandred while Mathilde goes to play Her Majesties Secret Service, popping in on occasion to play cryptic Merlin - which is absolutely extremely my jam.
But she's also supposed to be tutoring him! Unless Wolf can do that too? 🤔
I mean, Wolf's technically a part of us, can talk if necessary, and likes kids more than Mathilde with a fair experience in raising them. It makes a fair amount of sense. :V
 
I know we are not yet committing to stuff, but besides all the things we want to do i want to focus a bit on the things we need to do.
The prophecy about taking good care of our gunnery school together with the recent letter seems to indicate a good chance of Nuln facing a major Skaven offensive in the coming years, even if we choose literally anything else I want to devote a few AP to scout their undercity and nip that in the bud as much as possible.
 
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