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Way I see it, clearing it out would already take the resources of a nation-state, so if you've cleared it out, then you must already have built up those connections and forces.
Mm, I suppose, but you wouldn't necessarily have those resources forever. Mathilde could probably rally an army of Dwarfs to go retake the Drakwald, but I wouldn't bet on them backing her against the Empire for example. And of course, I suspect the ECs would rather strenuously object to anyone using that kind of foreign military power inside imperial territory, and likely choose someone else so that a foreign power doesn't have an EC in their back pocket. The ECs themselves will refuse to spare the resources to put together that kind of fight though. Plus Middenland and Nordland own the former territory of Drakwald anyway, so they'd probably object no matter what.
 
"I fought alongside the Drakwald Patrols in Hochland, mostly minor skirmishes with Forest Goblins and Beastmen. Waaagh and Peace was a great help in the last year of my Journeying, by the way. I also assisted with the administration of the College of Sorcery in Hergig."

Reread some of the earlier social and run across this, what the quest canon on this?, is Hergig's College an outreach of the main colleges or an independent policy which apparently get support?.
I recall some bashing on the College, but that was part of a sidestory so not necessarily canon.
 
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Reread some of the earlier social and run across this, what the quest canon on this, is Hergig's College a outreach of the main colleges or an independent policy who apparently get support?.
I recall some bashing on the College, but that was part of a sidestory so not necessarily canon.
Hergig is an outpost of the Colleges. It's their Hochland branch.
 
Reread some of the earlier social and run across this, what the quest canon on this, is Hergig's College a outreach of the main colleges or an independent policy who apparently get support?.
I recall some bashing on the College, but that was part of a sidestory so not necessarily canon.
It's a sub-branch. Usually used for the politically inconvenient, I think?
 
Yeah, becoming a count sounds like effort, but if you want to rank her up to baron it might be as easy as building a little castle on the fief and using that as a base to start clearing the land nearby for a new village and some new herds of sheep.

Probably have to hire some full time guards , but the money is just piling up back there anyway.
 
Yeah, becoming a count sounds like effort, but if you want to rank her up to baron it might be as easy as building a little castle on the fief and using that as a base to start clearing the land nearby for a new village and some new herds of sheep.
Problem with clearing the land near the fief (of rocks) is that that's basically the entire fief. Rocks, hills, thin soil with goats, and goatherds.

I don't think we've got the rich, dangerous and untapped forests, and the surrounding land is going to be someone elses'.

There was an opportunity to aquire a lot of land, and possibly also bootstrap that into a higher title in the Hunters Hills, but we'll just have to settle for being their patron saint instead.
 
Reread some of the earlier social and run across this, what the quest canon on this?, is Hergig's College an outreach of the main colleges or an independent policy which apparently get support?.
I recall some bashing on the College, but that was part of a sidestory so not necessarily canon.

As others have pointed out, it's a branch college in Hochland, an extension of the main Colleges of Magic.

Assuming you meant Indirect Premise Negation, the argument made there about the College of Sorcery isn't meant to be taken at face value, but rather to demonstrate the logical twists and hoops and lateral thinking that the Grey College encourages. And also to continue the joke about Hochland in the quoted bit in the A/N. first mentioned in character creation :p
 
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If you want it, come and claim it.

Anyone who can clear out Drakenwald is too tough for the other ECs to want to fight, as long as we pledge loyalty to the empire.
That depends greatly on how you did it. Mercenaries for example, would be pretty easy to wait out. You can't maintain them for long enough. Also they'd probably be more interested in how you managed to march that kind of force into Nordland and Middenland without permission. Also, they could just grant someone else the EC title, even if you have de facto claim over the land.
 
Clearly the play here is to roll in to the Marienburgh situation, maybe aiming to recover choice tomes from that Library before war damage, and wind up accidentally reintegrating Westerland into the Empire.
 
Assuming you meant Indirect Premise Negation, the argument made there about the College of Sorcery isn't meant to be taken at face value, but rather to demonstrate the logical twists and hoops and lateral thinking that the Grey College encourages. And also to continue the joke about Hochland in the quoted bit in the A/N. first mentioned in character creation :p
I understood that it was a mental gymnastic lesson, but i wouldn't have put it beyond the Greys to use the opportunity to bash a rival(self proclaimed of course) as a side bonus.
Imagine the same thing but with the Elementals College of Nuln, which is a different institution.
Also belated nice omake by the way.
 
so im pondering commissioning some art for an idea I had, and it became pertinent for me to know: @BoneyM what did Reiner Starke do to make Lord Magister?

Details are scarce, but according to college rumour he lead a purge of the Cult of the Broken Wheel, a Tzeentchian cult dedicated to the destruction of the Colleges for the perceived crime of 'betraying' chaos sorcery.

Reread some of the earlier social and run across this, what the quest canon on this?, is Hergig's College an outreach of the main colleges or an independent policy which apparently get support?.
I recall some bashing on the College, but that was part of a sidestory so not necessarily canon.

It's a branch of the Colleges in general. It has a bit of a murky reputation, in part because of the politically inconvenient being assigned there and in part because it's the obvious destination for Wizards who have been exiled from Altdorf and don't want to pay their own rent. But it's still prestigious enough for Hochland to maintain it.
 
I wonder how many of the provinces maintain College branches so they have a counter if Altdorf goes to war with them. The articles should forbid the Colleges from taking sides, but still, it's a legitimate concern.
 
I wonder how many of the provinces maintain College branches so they have a counter if Altdorf goes to war with them. The articles should forbid the Colleges from taking sides, but still, it's a legitimate concern.
As long as a rightfully-elected Emperor is ruling in accordance with the ideals and laws of Sigmar's Holy Empire, if the Emperor says 'this obvious rebellion by Wissenland is actually rebellion', then the Colleges mobilise.
What they can't do is support Wissenland in their rebellion. (See Article 9).
 
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As long as the Emperor is ruling in accordance with the ideals and laws of Sigmar's Holy Empire, if the Emperor says 'Wissenland is in Rebellion', then the Colleges mobilise.
What they can't do is support Wissenland in their rebellion.
While that's technically true, civil wars have a habit of messing with things like that. Especially if you get a situation like with Dieter IV.
 
I wonder how many of the provinces maintain College branches so they have a counter if Altdorf goes to war with them. The articles should forbid the Colleges from taking sides, but still, it's a legitimate concern.

My impression from when I did research on the various side-college branches is that it's usually the Colleges of Magic who push to open branches in a given province, rather than the other way around.

Which does make sense, since the Colleges are one of very few truly "Imperial" institutions that are directly loyal to the Emperor as opposed to one of the Elector Counts.
 
That depends greatly on how you did it. Mercenaries for example, would be pretty easy to wait out. You can't maintain them for long enough. Also they'd probably be more interested in how you managed to march that kind of force into Nordland and Middenland without permission. Also, they could just grant someone else the EC title, even if you have de facto claim over the land.
"We're bringing this army to destroy gribblies in Drakenwald" is a passport accepted throughout the Empire. Permission isn't a problem. Nobody likes Drakenwald.

And they could elect another EC but then they would have to pay the costs to send an army to defeat us out of their own pockets, or else make a public display of the impotence of their declaration of EC-hood.

It might be possible to wait out mercenaries, but if you've just conquered Drakenwald you have a great deal of prime land at your disposal, and there are all sorts of ways to turn that into economic or military power. Not least of which is paying your mercenaries in land to become permanent soldiers of the new province.
 
I wonder how many of the provinces maintain College branches so they have a counter if Altdorf goes to war with them. The articles should forbid the Colleges from taking sides, but still, it's a legitimate concern.
There are at least two other provinces with branches:
Hochland is an all-College branch. A few others are the Ancient Library of the Lights in Tubingen, the Wizards and Alchemists Guild of the Golds in Middenheim, and the Royal Academy of Talabecland for the Jades and Ambers in Talabheim.

I also came across this reply while searching for info on the Hochland College, which is relevant to the earlier discussion on Grey LMs and their Great Deeds:
@BoneyM

How many Great Deeds The Bursar has, based on what we know of her in character?


Three that Mathilde knows of, and there's probably twice as many that are classified.
If this is typical for a LM, it may be a while before we have a chance of becoming Matriarch.
 
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"We're bringing this army to destroy gribblies in Drakenwald" is a passport accepted throughout the Empire. Permission isn't a problem. Nobody likes Drakenwald.

And they could elect another EC but then they would have to pay the costs to send an army to defeat us out of their own pockets, or else make a public display of the impotence of their declaration of EC-hood.

It might be possible to wait out mercenaries, but if you've just conquered Drakenwald you have a great deal of prime land at your disposal, and there are all sorts of ways to turn that into economic or military power. Not least of which is paying your mercenaries in land to become permanent soldiers of the new province.
Sure, but then keeping that army around afterwards and going "haha, actually I'm taking the land for myself" is the sort of thing that usually results in them going to war with you afterwards, while you're weakened.

Why? Being an EC gives you rights to a vote at meetings of the Elector Counts. There's no actual requirements to the position. The ECs could decide the oldest person in the Empire gets to be an EC if they want. They could simply go "thanks for clearing out the Drakwald. We're still not making you an EC though, no matter what you want."

The Drakwald is a giant, almost completely unexplored forest. You don't have prime land, you have a logging project. And all your neighbours now want you to go away, so trade is going to be hard.
 
Sure, but then keeping that army around afterwards and going "haha, actually I'm taking the land for myself" is the sort of thing that usually results in them going to war with you afterwards, while you're weakened.
You say that as if anyone else was currently controlling that land. We're not taking it from them, if anything they'll be happy they aren't getting raided from there anymore.

Why? Being an EC gives you rights to a vote at meetings of the Elector Counts. There's no actual requirements to the position. The ECs could decide the oldest person in the Empire gets to be an EC if they want. They could simply go "thanks for clearing out the Drakwald. We're still not making you an EC though, no matter what you want."

The Drakwald is a giant, almost completely unexplored forest. You don't have prime land, you have a logging project. And all your neighbours now want you to go away, so trade is going to be hard.
If they wanted to be a laughingstock and/or burn huge amounts of money for no benefit to themselves, sure.

Forests can be cut down and the land farmed. Humans are kind of infamously good at that.
 
Have you considered that someone managing to reclaim Drakwald is so unlikely that if we did a job for Nordland and Middenland and, as payment, asked the two EC's to sign a contract stating that if a force that we command reclaims the Drakewald for the Empire they would cease the land to us and support us becoming the EC of the Drakwald ... They'd probably just go along with it.

It would seem impossible to them so they'd have to think "what's the harm", our services are actually costly enough to be noticeable even on their scale if we actually charge full price, at this point we've probably done enough for them to like us, and, particularly important ... Pre the Drakwald being cleared I guarantee you both EC's would prefer it belonging to a new friendly EC and mostly clear of monsters, then technically half belonging to them but in reality belonging to monsters that do nothing but invade their actual land and kill their citizens and cost them money.

If we put any effort into diplomacy beforehand, especially with our ability to lie and the protector coin, considering how unlikely we are to pull it off in most peoples eyes, how beneficial it would be to everyone, and the fact that the current situation benefits basically no one .... we could probably get most people who matter to agree in a legally binding manner to back us becoming the EC if we pull it off.

Afterwards might be a different story, jobs already done, suddenly the land is worthwhile, suddenly votes are at stake, etc, etc, but beforehand I can't imagine most of the people with a say in the matter being hard to get to go along with us on this.
 
Why in Ranald's name would we even want to be an Elector-Count? It's just a distraction from actually important stuff, like all our research backlog. Besides, it'd inevitably degenerate into empire-building and realm management. The best thing about this quest is that there's none of that!
 
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