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Well, we never saw Sleek die did we? he could be around somewhere.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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We saw him get stabbed pretty badly, and even if he survived that, his rise to power is dead in the water.
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Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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In theory, just about every notable Empire human in the canon books could be assumed to be butterflied, or at least all the ones that were born after 2470- Markus Wulfhart, probably Gelt, etc.
Hard to say if Boney is going that far, of course.
Absolutely. The dice are quite clear—Gotrek, alive or dead, is no longer a part of Mathlide's story.
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I'm not.
We've spent too much effort lining up things to turn back at the first (admittedly major) setback.
It turns out there's a reason that huge landships generally aren't a thing IRL, who knew?
Well, the problem wasn't the landship itself. The landship was doing perfectly fine. It was going up a mountain and hitting a rockslide and slipping and falling very very far that was the problem.
This isn't tank country, basically. Mountain climbing can be dangerous unfortunately.
Even then, I think Gotrek's designs did better than a 4-wheel drive would have done. Or at least, so I believe from the conversation with him an update or two ago, about what the Longbeards wanted to do.
I'm not, SVs questing community has a deep unwillingness to give up on what they've set their minds on. Just look at Drunk Dynasty quest for a taste.
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I think we still have a shot at this.
Sadly that won't matter much to his legacy. At least outside of places like K8P. Gotri and the like are no doubt inclined take a clear eyed approach. Not the longbeards though.
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So, I haven't checked the quest yesterday or today morning, wonder what happened while I was aw...
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Too bad for those Longbeards -- were they the ones part of the expedition that rescued Vlag, or that (presumably) scouted and reached Karag Dum?
I'd said it before when this topic came up, but, the 'success needs no etc etc, failure etc etc' thing really depends on what the success and failure is. If the expedition succeeds, then anybody criticizing the expedition and its machines would have to be careful of that -- because it wasn't a failure. They also have to be careful because their grumbling might piss off the people of the expedition who might have strong feelings about Gotrek's death and the accident out of nowhere that befell the Urmskaladrak, and the people of the expedition are the heroes of the hour.
Perhaps they can thread the needle of "If we'd done it our way, there wouldn't have been any losses at all!" In fact, that's probably what they'll try to do.
But then, if they were so convinced it was possible... then why were none of them on the expedition?
I think Gotrek's legacy will depend on how the rest of the expedition goes, and how the rest of the steam-wagons fare. And also depend on how the Longbeards will feel about the expedition.
Who knows. Maybe they'll try to take a reconciliatory approach, in fact.
Maybe they'll talk up how good an engineer Gotrek was, and his connection to Zhufbar, and how of course it was important that Zhufbar contributed to the expedition and helped it succeed! Shame about what happened, but disaster can strike anywhere and anywhen.
In other words, maybe they'll try to paper over the rift between Gotrek and his Clan in Zhufbar. Massage history a bit. Soften the details a bit. Like the way some Dwarfs sometimes consider history. (Not all Dwarfs do this of course. But some do.)
Or maybe they'll be convinced that the multi-wheel steam-wagon idea is a good one... the problem was in going too big with it. Or maybe the problem was in having a Dragon perched on it. Maybe that was the problem, ba humbug, it's always the Elgi at fault, etc etc.
It's too mixed and difficult to tell what track they will take, basically, yet. It depends on the rest of the expedition and how the rest of the steam-wagons do, I think. It depends on whether they'd rather shittalk Gotrek, or praise Gotrek. Whether they'd rather blame the ambitious size of the Urmskaladrak, or the land-carrier-of-a-dragon aspect of it, or what.
People on the expedition will have more important things to do sadly. They are the ones making history, so they can't be there to ensure it is recorded in a certain way. Do you see Mathilde traveling to Zhufbar in order to set the record straight about her fellow expedition member? I don't, she has things to do, waystones to study, and golden arms to decipher. She would be annoyed that he's not getting the credit he deserves but not annoyed enough to get into a fight with the engineers guild. Same thing for any of the others.
NeonLights
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We do have Engineers with us.
Who have gotten to know Gotrek.
Who will be right in Zhufbar.
Sure we have engineers, but no one important, because no one important is here. They will likely be told to keep their beardling opinions to themselves.
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They do that to the Dwarves that helped reclaim at least one Karak thought lost and they'll be lucky to not get a axe in the face that very instant.
That is if the Dwarf has to grab it first.
When they were on the expedition which recovered at least 1 hold, and hopefully at least verifies the status of one more? I think not.
That's really not how politics works, well unless your work orc something.
And how many holds did they recover so far? They just shot at some daemons in defense of Kislev. Laurels are not evenly distributed.
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Tho, fair question?
Is one of the mob npcs going to get upgrade to name character for the council?
Someone needs to be head engineer.
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That's really not how politics works, well unless your work orc something.
Considering that the norm for Dawi is to keep things under wraps and in the house precisely because Dawi are so prone to bouts of anger over insults? I think it actually was how dawi politics worked, once, before they learned.
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We are talking about not just any Dwarf Engineers, but those who were on this expedition.That's really not how politics works, well unless your work orc something.
Those who helped Gotrek make those driving ships.
They are not some unimportant Beardling.
Someone claiming they do shoddy work does get an axe to the face. Unless he recants the statement when the Grudge is brought to the attention to the Elders or King Or High King if needed.