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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Kornet said:
I guess I am in a minority, since I actually liked the catastrophe?

I mean, we had a too long string of not suffering meaningfull setbacks, and this incident is just what was really needed to bring back some narrative tension.
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I think I'd have liked it much more/handled it better if Gotrek and the engineers died in the battle for Vlag or something similar.

It's not only that they died, but because they died in a freak accident that I didn't even expect to be rolled for.

Mind, I don't blame Boney for rolling it, it's simply the style of this quest for there to be a lot more of rolls (some of them unforeseen) than that I would roll as a QM, but that's what makes this quest feel so dynamic and unpredictable and exciting.

It still feels like a bit like a hit under the belt, though, even the day after.
 
SuperSonicSound said:
It doesn't matter what the trope is Gotrek is dead, the situation killed him, he's not coming back barring divine intervention that we're utterly unaware of. People need to move on, BoneyM provided the dice rolls. It's happened it's over.
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I mean, if people really don't want to move on, they don't have to.

They just have to accept what not accepting death in the Warhammer world looks like. Mathilde has all the neccesary traits for it.
 
Mopman43 said:
It's 2486 now, didn't they meet up in 2495 or so?
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They met during the Window Tax Riots in Altdorf. I couldn't find a year for that, but Karl Franz was the emperor. Gotrek actually saved Felix from being trampled by the Reiksguard after Karl ordered them to disperse the rioters. Because of that I assumed it was much futher into the timeline than I thought. However, I did find out the Skaven thing in Nuln happened in 2499, so you are probably correct and I've got my years mixed up.

Edit: Hang on, Karl was crowned emperor in 2502. God damn Tzeentchian time fuckery.
 
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Oh right, between thinking out my rant I forgot to actually vote :V
No point to turning back this far, it's unlikely that logistical situation would actually worsen when continuing and going back from Dum, as others already pointed out.

[x] Press on
 
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
I couldn't find a year for that, but Karl Franz was the emperor.
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My understanding is that there's some continuity conflict- they definitely met prior to Karl Franz's election, but Gotrek still mentions Karl Franz ordering the Reiksguard on the Window Tax Riots- even if Luitpold had given him control of Altdorf for some years prior to his death, he still had no authority over the Reiksguard.

Byzantine said:
But they are? What do you think a tank is?
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The Steam Wagons are less Sherman, more Ratte. And there's a reason they never built the Ratte.

DocMatoi said:
not quite- we butterflied away skarsnik
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Technically speaking, we watched Skarsnik (well, pre-naming Skarsnik) get stabbed because Mathilde accidentally took his role as champion of Mork.
 
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Horium said:
I think I'd have liked it much more/handled it better if Gotrek and the engineers died in the battle for Vlag or something similar.

It's not only that they died, but because they died in a freak accident that I didn't even expect to be rolled for.

Mind, I don't blame Boney for rolling it, it's simply the style of this quest for there to be a lot more of rolls (some of them unforeseen) than that I would roll as a QM, but that's what makes this quest feel so dynamic and unpredictable and exciting.

It still feels like a bit like a hit under the belt, though, even the day after.
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Well, I guess everyone has his own version of setting. Senseless deaths due to random dice rolls is exactly the warhammer I know and love. I am legitimately nostalgic here for my wfrp 2e days.
 
Mopman43 said:
My understanding is that there's some continuity conflict- they definitely met prior to Karl Franz's election, but Gotrek still mentions Karl Franz ordering the Reiksguard on the Window Tax Riots- even if Luitpold had given him control of Altdorf for some years prior to his death, he still had no authority over the Reiksguard.
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Yeah, I just noticed Karl wasn't crowned until 2502. The wiki's I looked up all called him "Emperor Karl Franz" so I assumed he'd been elected.
 
Horium said:
I think I'd have liked it much more/handled it better if Gotrek and the engineers died in the battle for Vlag or something similar.

It's not only that they died, but because they died in a freak accident that I didn't even expect to be rolled for.

Mind, I don't blame Boney for rolling it, it's simply the style of this quest for there to be a lot more of rolls (some of them unforeseen) than that I would roll as a QM, but that's what makes this quest feel so dynamic and unpredictable and exciting.

It still feels like a bit like a hit under the belt, though, even the day after.
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I'm going to have to disagree here. Untested technology going up one of the most difficult passages at the edge of the world should get a roll , even one that can have catastrophic consequences. This was literally what killed the canon expedition. Arguing the wagons should not get any rolls against the terain here would IMO be a bit like arguing that Mathy should not have gotten roll for Rite of way, yes she prepared herself for that, but it's still different to do so under live conditions as opposed to in training.
 
Seems like I may have picked a bad time to start reading Gotrek and Felix. Sorry about that.

I may have to put off reading the Tyrion and Teclis omnibus as well, just in case this proves to be a pattern...
 
Mopman43 said:
My understanding is that there's some continuity conflict- they definitely met prior to Karl Franz's election, but Gotrek still mentions Karl Franz ordering the Reiksguard on the Window Tax Riots- even if Luitpold had given him control of Altdorf for some years prior to his death, he still had no authority over the Reiksguard.
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Doyle-wise you're right, the watsonian explanation could be that KF was given that authority by his father in some way.
 
Kornet said:
Well, I guess everyone has his own version of setting. Senseless deaths due to random dice rolls is exactly the warhammer I know and love. I am legitimately nostalgic here for my wfrp 2e days.
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And anyone that has played wfrp knows that fall damage is a bitch.

One of my characters got stab through the guts with a trident from falmir. Fine, mostly.

The 30 feet drop from the attack? Enough damage to kill 3 times over even at full health.

Goodbye fate point.
 
Skarsnik, Karl Franz, Sleek Sharpwit... and the premise killed Alberich Haupt-Anderssen, the canonical Elector Count of Stirland.
 
Ekzentric Lohner said:
I imagine it'd have to be a high roll for "Epilogue: Any Loose Ends?" or something. The point is, it's not impossible.
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I would argue that it is. I honestly can't think of any reasonable circumstance where Gortek would somehow manage to dig himself out of the rubble after everyone has given him up for dead and then survive at the edge of Chaos country three weeks by steam wagon from civilization. To be honest I would find it more believable if we found some dwarf kid 10 years from now who has vague memories who is being Gortek because he's a reincarnation. I know we don't have actual proof that such a reincarnation happens, but it still more reasonable to believe is than him somehow getting out of this alive.
 
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DragonParadox said:
I'm going to have to disagree here. Untested technology going up one of the most difficult passages at the edge of the world should get a roll , even one that can have catastrophic consequences. This was literally what killed the canon expedition. Arguing the wagons should not get any rolls against the terain here would IMO be a bit like arguing that Mathy should not have gotten roll for Rite of way, yes she prepared herself for that, but it's still different to do so under live conditions as opposed to in training.
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Good point. It does give some context that I missed. Well, the first half of the post at least.

As for the other half... well, I think it's subjective.
I am not arguing the number of dice per se, I think it has its advantages and that it's perfectly legitimate, but I also think that a lesser number of rolls is also a valid stance.
 
DragonParadox said:
I would argue that it is. I honestly can't think of any reasonable circumstance where Gortek would somehow manage to dig himself out of the rubble after everyone has given him up for dead and then survive at the edge of Chaos country three weeks by steam wagon from civilization. To be honest I would find it more believable if we found some dwarf kid 10 years from now who has vague memories who is being Gortek because he's in reincarnation. I know we don't have actual proof that such a reincarnation happens, but it still more reasonable to believe is than him somehow getting out of this alive.
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That's more or less what happened to him in warhammer canon. The expedition was so disastrous that only he, Snorri and Borek survived. Admittedly, that Gotrek had the huge advantage of stumbling across a divine artefact that turned him into an avatar of Grimnir, which is highly unlikely to be duplicated here, so yeah, I agree, he's as dead a doornail.

But his survival is at least plausible, even if it's very improbable.
 
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