We can't share most spells regardless.
The idea that anything we do is a waste of actions unless it can be widely disseminated seems pretty bizarre.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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We can't share most spells regardless.
The idea that anything we do is a waste of actions unless it can be widely disseminated seems pretty bizarre.
NuclearConsensus
Herald of the Thorned One
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If that's the case, then I'd advocate waiting a little longer, after the elfcation, just in case Mathilde gains or learns something there that qualifies for the "only allowed to pass on to one more" condition.
Aranfan
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It isn't just that it can't be widely disseminated. It's that nothing derived from it can be either.
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The thing is, if the dwarves ever find out we used our knowledge of arcane Khazalid like that, they might very well not care. Dwarves are really sticklers for their secrets.
fictionfan
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That is going to be the case with most of our magical discoveries because of how individualist it is. They are still worth making even if only for our personal use. We have just shown with Karak Vlag that a little extra knowledge can go a long way even if it is secret.
What exactly counts as derived is not particularly settled one way or the other at this point, and I expect it won't be at least until we actually take the action and see what it gives. Probably even after that as there'll always be edge cases.
That's pretty irrelevant to my point though. There's a good chance Rite of Way will be impossible to pass on to other wizards, there's a good chance our Master Sword style will only ever be relevant to Mathilde. That doesn't mean these actions were a waste of time.
And if Arcane Khazalid leads to forgotten elven treasure or the operating manuals for dwarven infrastructure, it benefits everyone.
Or even just things like directions when exploring old dwarven and elven projects.
I mean, when Dwarves and Elves worked together in the Karaz Ankor to raise great works of magic and power, literally melding runes and sorcery, when there was literally an Archmage in residence in K8P, do you think there werent elves who learned it?
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Aranfan
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And if we try to share those discoveries Kragg and Thorek are religiously obligated to kill us.
And if the possession and reading of the Liber Mortis came to light prior to our becoming Lady Magister, the Colleges and Inquisition would be giving serious thought to killing us.
Not sure what your point is.
Burned_Cookie
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And the Wizards take 21, until the DM notices and <insert wind here> themed rocks fall.
Ericwinter
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Raiseth
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At this point, I think that bartering with elves for knowledge would be a more palatable course of action.
which... yeah, kinda crazy.
Aranfan
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Me and Alratan had this conversation. Anything derived from Arcane Khazalid is off limits for sharing.
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She could brush up on normal Grey Order methods of storing information, then do the exact opposite.
Burned_Cookie
Very tired girl.
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Or Wolf. He needs more love.
That is my suggestion for overtime recovery turn, spend an action on wolf.
Seems like an appropriate way to wind down from massive stress.
Can you imagine that poor apprentice though? Everyone else is going of to normal, somewhat sane magisters, the either very lucky or unlucky ones go off to the "Magister Greys" and that poor sob has to go of to she-of-too-many-titles.
Pressure intensivies.
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I prefer it to be one-offs, rather than a constant stream. This thread already has a long history of stressing about the research backlog.
Well, no. If we share it, yes. If we share it with non-dwarfs, yes. We could use it to (help further our understanding) repair the leyline network and I very much doubt that anyone would object. If we start teaching our apprentice, or other wizards, that's when it becomes an issue.
Not everything we know or learn needs to be shared. There is in fact knowledge that, if made widely available, would result in net harm to the forces of order. The Liber Mortis is a perfect example of that.
We can do things with arcane Khazalid. We just can't teach other people how to do those things.
Doing something is not the same as teaching someone else to do something.
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Isn't our book reseller based in Barak Varr? If we want a book on a given subject from Barak Varr, we could just pass on the request to them and if anything comes up they'll produce it for us like they did with the Khazalid-Classical translator. All we have to do is place a bounty for the books we want like we did with the dragon bone.
On that subject, are there any books we want to place a bounty on?
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We could probably teach our sword style... to whoever we intend to pass Branulhune on to when we die.
I don't think they'd be obligated to kill us over the elven treasure unless it was property of the dwarves and the dwarves insisted on keeping it in which case we'd have other problems anyway.
Or are they that hardcore about it?
Just to be clear, does that include nonmagical insights such as "here is where a lost treasure is located?"
My impression is that Kragg can, for example, read some runes on a wall in Karak Eight Peaks and learn from them "danger, there's a trap here," and then tell other dwarves (and for that matter manlings) "wait while I deactivate the trap." And that if he does this, he's not violating any oaths by doing so, because while this is an 'insight' derived from his knowledge of Arcane Khazalid, it isn't a secret of the Runesmiths.
Or is it?