- Location
- Finland
And warves used to get along with elves as well.
Let's avoid barbers while on elfcation.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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- warhammer warhammer fantasy fantasy be gay do crimes (gay) female protagonist pansexual protagonist ck2 quest divided loyalties mountain vietnam ranald is real this is a dwarf quest (dwarfs) this is maybe an elf quest this is not a vampire quest this is not an empire quest try it and find out open voting
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Let's avoid barbers while on elfcation.
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The Great One
- Location
- Everywhere
She's met two elves IIRC and both times she had something that the elves wanted. I think it might be the drucchi corpse and the waystone network knowledge that helped.
NavySeel
"I don't know what I'm doing."
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- Places
Asarnil is still an elf. Kinda weird how the one you forget is the one we've interacted with the most.
Also that Druchii was still alive when we handed him over.
- Location
- France
The issue with that is "who will judge craftsmen worthy of receiving this knowledge"? A lot of unique expertise dies because no worhty apprentice could be found and was taught before the waster died. Would said Master trust their inferior successors to pick a worthy recipient for these techniques if the Master already judged his colleagues and successors unworthy of it? Of course not!
This gets even worse when you include Guild secrets, religious prohibitions, etc. And of course there's the fact that a lot of this stuff is very hard to put in writing and much easier to teach directly.
I'd guess that individual guilds already do this to some extent, but that pushing things further will be a stretch.
Quest
The Great One
- Location
- Everywhere
Good point. Forgot about him for a moment. Though even for Asarnil, we had to write him a book.
- Location
- Aotearoa
I think he took a shine to us (for an Elf) from the moment we spoke to him in Eltharin. He was described as drawing sustenance from hearing it, for the first time in a very long time. Remember, he answered in Reikspiel, and had to catch himself.
You could also consider that as something he desired from us, but I think it was more genuine.
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Asheram
Not quite altogether
- Location
- Δ Hidden Forbidden Holy Ground
Asarnil was overjoyed the moment we met him since he liked wizards. Writing the book came afterward.
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NexusEye
Aspiring God
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- She/Her
Well, first time in a long while hearing Eltharin from someone other than Deathfang presumably.
- Location
- Aotearoa
Yeah, he was very pleased, because he saw the Colleges founding as Teclis defying Finnubar.
You'd have thought, but seemingly not.
Perhaps Deathfang only speaks Draconic around Asarnil when they're alone together. Might have been a long time since he's heard anyone else speak Draconic either.
- Location
- Aotearoa
And we thought Elgi were bad. 
(I'm kidding. Mathilde could enter a smug-off competition with those two any day. Might not win, but she'd compete fiercely.)
(I'm kidding. Mathilde could enter a smug-off competition with those two any day. Might not win, but she'd compete fiercely.)
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Anything but Life, but their nature tilts the scales heavily in favour of Vampires picking one of those three to specialize in. The Lore of Vampires has no downside because they don't suffer from Dhar exposure, their nature means they attract Shyish and their proclivities mean they're often surrounded by it, and having to hide from the sun means they're usually around plenty of Ulgu.
I'm not saying she's a bad diplomat. I'm saying she's an inappropriate diplomat, because she knows very superficially of the Empire's strategic goals and assets, nor does she have any grasp of the complex networks of internal factions and sub factions.
She as such, cannot actually serve in such a role except as messenger, which is rather a waste of a Lord Magister's time.
Can she get good at it? Sure she can, at the expense of doing Hero things or exotic research things, both of which she had substantially invested into.
- Location
- on the way to the fire.
- Pronouns
- He
Hey @BoneyM
I binged the quest a few month back and lurked for a while, and this has been one of my favorite serial reads since then, so thank you.
I also wrote an omake that got stuck in mod's Limbo a day ago, so some people might have missed that. Out of curiosity, the distinction between Sidestory and Apocrypha is wholly quest compliance or do you have have other criteria?
I binged the quest a few month back and lurked for a while, and this has been one of my favorite serial reads since then, so thank you.
I also wrote an omake that got stuck in mod's Limbo a day ago, so some people might have missed that. Out of curiosity, the distinction between Sidestory and Apocrypha is wholly quest compliance or do you have have other criteria?
Threadmarked it. The difference between Sidestory and Apocrypha is that Apocrypha is the default, and something becomes Sidestory if it's compatible with what I've written, is likely to remain compatible with what I plan to write in the future, and if marking it Sidestory doesn't give away too much OOC info. It's admittedly a pretty restrictive and hard for anyone else to predict criteria, so it tends to largely consist of looks at minor characters at the periphery of events; in hindsight it might have been better to not use the category at all and have everything as Apocrypha, because as it is I sometimes worry that some might think that Sidestory is some badge of approval that has been withheld from some of the quite excellent pieces in Apocrypha for reasons unknown.
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- Russia
Didn't you say earlier somewhere that Sidestory are non-questcanon no matter what, so it can't ever give OOC info?
Perhaps it isn't too late to fold Sidestory into Apocrypha yet, though.
That's the other thing, after I made the criteria people started extrapolating from the smallest and most harmless-seeming lines into vast reams of OOC information and I had to make that ruling.
The very thought of manually reordering 62 new Apocrypha threadmarks is terrifying.
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- France
@BoneyM, if you're threadmarking Omakes would it be possible to threadmark this one? It's a continuation of previous Omakes after all.
Unfortunately it doesn't easily fit into a quote box because most of it is composed of quote boxes.
I must have missed that one. Such are the perils of phone-scrolling at 3am. Added.
Tasoli
Life is for Living
- Location
- Behind the Keyboard.
To give an idea of the problem and challenge and seriousness involved with these things, with writing down all the secret and sometimes divine or sacred knowledge of millennia, let's use an example ourselves:
What, exactly, would make the posters be willing to write down absolutely. everything. that Mathilde knows about Magic and being a Wizard and Grey Wizard (and her Divine adventures and knowledge too)? Yes, even including the Secrets of Dhar. Yes, even including the Liber Mortis as a whole. Yes, possibly even including the way and reason she succeeded at Queekish, which required a Ranaldian Divine artifact. No, I don't care that you'd protest that "That shouldn't count!" No, I don't care that "But that's not Ulgu magic!" or "But that's not our secret alone -- that's Van Hal's/Ranald's secret too!" You wanted people to be able to pass on the capabilities and skills and knowledge that would prevent people from reaching the heights of these craftsmen. You should include yourself in that assessment.
Once you have tackled the question from that perspective... Then you can begin to approach it from the perspective of other people.
Because, like, do you think that you alone are going to have protestations of "But I only learned this due to swearing an oath of secrecy/privacy/saving an individual's life/etc!" when it comes to sharing knowledge? Or that you alone are going to have "But this would/could literally see me dead, if I shared it" or "This is literally matters of security and national interests here man."
What exactly do you think some of these people's secrets and crafts are?
Asking them to share everything that would let somebody else become as good as they are... ... Is roughly equivalent to asking Mathilde to share everything that made her, herself. Made her as successful and effective and skilled and acknowledged.
You may have noticed that there's already a mechanism for doing that, actually.
It's called taking apprentices.
That's what people do. And they do that, in part, because they loath letting these things out of their control.
Much like Mathilde would probably not be happy with just relinquishing control and knowledge and secrets over the Liber Mortis and the Coin and Aethyric Vitae to some library, with no idea of who will ultimately be able to gain that knowledge. (And the tests and requirements for "Okay, who can be allowed to be read into this part of my knowledge?" are probably so involved enough that you might as well cut out the middleman and just start raising an apprentice yourself. Funny how that works out, huh. The most reliable way is to do a thing yourself. The other most reliable way, is to leave it in the hands of people you trust immensely and find very reliable. Which, surprise surprise, an impersonal and person-agnostic thing like a library would not count as. Because you're asking to trust either library books in perpetuity, or to trust the caretakers and gatekeepers in perpetuity.)
Burned_Cookie
Very tired girl.
- Location
- Plato´s cave.
- Pronouns
- She/Her/It/Its
Wich is why this would be a trancedental boon.
Yes, it would be hard beyond comprehension, but imagine if it was actually pulled off, perhaps by creating a trusted and honour bound institution.
Except for the part where there is no real loss except in runecraft, so it is unneeded.
Yes, it would be hard beyond comprehension, but imagine if it was actually pulled off, perhaps by creating a trusted and honour bound institution.
Except for the part where there is no real loss except in runecraft, so it is unneeded.
Tasoli
Life is for Living
- Location
- Behind the Keyboard.
Truthfully dwarves are already keep pretty good records which is why we are asking dwarves for help, book boon is meant to help the Empire and other human polities whom keeps losing their libraries in wars and disaster unlike dwarves.