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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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MATHILDE: How about we play good news, bad news.

MATHILDE: The Good News is that we found out what happened to Karak Vlag.

MATHILDE: The Bad News is that it was trapped in the Aethyr under the control of Chaos.

MATHILDE: The Good News is that we brought it back.

MATHILDE: The Good News is that Karak Vlag is back under the control of its original dawi clans.

ALGARD: Wait, that's not right. You're not supposed to do two pieces of good news in a row.

MATHILDE: That's because the good news wasn't actually good news anyway, because they're all Chaos Dwarves now and a new menace to the High Pass and Kislev. Goodbye!

(Vanishes in a puff of smoke.)
 
Lightwhispers said:
And Mathilde added a permanent bonus to each college's ability to teach students safely, with the Rooms of Calamity. Long-term, that means that the number of wizards that survive goes up.

I have to imagine that occasionally when feeling self-indulgent, Regimand will just go over his list of Mathilde's accomplishments, and smile. Because there aren't all that many Magisters who see their Apprentices go on to make multiple contributions to the Empire's strategic position.
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We should get an apprentice.
 
Mopman43 said:
I kinda want one. I feel like imparting her wisdom on a younger character from the ground up would be a good experience for Mathilde (and enjoyable for us, or at least, me)
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I feel it will just take up even more of our time that we could be using discovering new things and getting stuff done, though. Not to mention having to keep it alive. AP hell is hellish enough.
 
storryeater said:
I feel like a lot of the imparting will be go like the flight school meme.
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Nah, the whole thing with the colleges Master-Apprentice system is that the master is able to mold the apprentice's conception of magic into something where they can actually operate on the same fundamental basis.

And, yeah, "be very lucky" isn't much of a lesson, but Mathilde still has some knowledge in her 16 years of post-apprenticeship that she can pass down.
 
The Phoenixian said:
So one thought on my mind, is that the demons of the Plotter moved towards the East. Which doesn't have many people, but does have one thing of note.

Now, I don't know my Warhammer metaphysics on demons that well but... Could they have gone to occupy the waystone clog? Attempt to use it to stay corporeal? It seems like something the Chaos God of magic would do, if he at all could.
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The only thing we can safely assume is that they are operating under a plan(we can't be sure of that with other Daemons). So if they're going in that direction in accordance with their planning they expect to be able to find provision in that direction. Probably Skaven given the relative positions of everything.
 
guyfromtheplace1 said:
The only thing we can safely assume is that they are operating under a plan(we can't be sure of that with other Daemons). So if they're going in that direction in accordance with their planning they expect to be able to find provision in that direction. Probably Skaven given the relative positions of everything.
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Though, given it's Tzeentch, we can't be certain that it's a terribly good plan.
 
I want Mathilde to have an apprentice eventually, but not for a while longer, and now is not really the time to discuss it since we'll have a huge argument now, and then whenever we're back home weeks or months later we'll have the same argument again.
 
picklepikkl said:
You can counterspell it.
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Project blueprints I started working on before I had to walk away from my computer for an hour.



BoneyM said:
It's much easier to disrupt than a spell cast by an actual Wizard, but can't be made to miscast.
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Revised set of project blueprints taking in new data (I just erased the word miscast)



Would this work as a training field to help people learn how to/practice counterspelling?

I've seen a similar concept proposed in the past, but it was always with a wizard casting spells, which puts said wizard at risk due to possibility of miscast. Here, that isn't the case, it's an item casting a spell, and, thankfully, items can't be made to miscast ... so it should be safe, right?

It's easier to counterspell an item then a person so this isn't a perfect way to practice, but it still gets you used to actually doing it instead of just reading/hearing it and any amount of safe practice is better then no practice.
 
King Arthur said:
Honestly, it might be best to get the Waystone thing out of the way as well.

Feel like that'll probably take a lot of our AP and it might take awhile.
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Eh, I think all the traveling around would make for a nice apprenticeship. They'd get some good experience and it's not like Mathilde will be camping out in the woods constantly or anything, she's not self sufficient enough for that.
 
King Arthur said:
It's easier to counterspell an item then a person so this isn't a perfect way to practice, but it still gets you used to actually doing it instead of just reading/hearing it and any amount of safe practice is better then no practice.
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I think it would help in the same way that playing call of duty prepares you for real life combat.
While in theory better than nothing, it's not at all like the real situation (i think, i only have experience on the call of duty side) and risks baking in some dangerous bad habits.

For one, the item would "cast" the spell the same way everytime, so it would be super expensive and time consuming to get an array of multiple items to get actual practice instead of a one time demonstration.
 
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Robotninja said:
Would our enchanting talent help in making those?
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It would allow it.

King Arthur said:
Project blueprints I started working on before I had to walk away from my computer for an hour.





Revised set of project blueprints taking in new data (I just erased the word miscast)



Would this work as a training field to help people learn how to/practice counterspelling?

I've seen a similar concept proposed in the past, but it was always with a wizard casting spells, which puts said wizard at risk due to possibility of miscast. Here, that isn't the case, it's an item casting a spell, and, thankfully, items can't be made to miscast ... so it should be safe, right?

It's easier to counterspell an item then a person so this isn't a perfect way to practice, but it still gets you used to actually doing it instead of just reading/hearing it and any amount of safe practice is better then no practice.
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It would allow for practice of brute-force dispelling, but that's not hard to set up for. It won't allow for actual counterspelling practice in the same way there's a hard limit on what you can learn about boxing from hitting a punching bag.
 
das_slash said:
I think it would help in the same way that playing call of duty prepares you for real life combat.
While in theory better than nothing, it's not at all like the real situation (i think, i only have experience on the call of duty side) and risks baking in some dangerous bad habits.

For one, the item would "cast" the spell the same way everytime, so it would be super expensive and time consuming to get an array of multiple items to get actual practice instead of a one time demonstration.
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I'd figure it be more akin to a stationary targeting range.

There's no pressure or danger unless you do something real dumb, the situation is the exact same every time, you've got all the time in the world to line up you're shot, fewer adrenaline or nerves messing with you, no enemies to force you to move or act hastily, you don't get the vast, vast, vast majority of the pressures of actual combat ... but it's still practice. You're still doing the same thing and teaching you're body how carry out the action.

A firing range isn't combat, but it still helps you learn how to aim and shoot. Closest analogy I can think of.

Not very useful for us in particular, but potentially incredibly useful for students.

BoneyM said:
It would allow for practice of brute-force dispelling, but that's not hard to set up for. It won't allow for actual counterspelling practice in the same way there's a hard limit on what you can learn about boxing from hitting a punching bag.
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Punching bag's are incredibly useful if you're a boxer. For students who might need to counterspell one day in the future, it seems like there'd be value to it.

Do the colleges have something along these lines to safely give their students practice at counterspelling, or would this be a new thing Mattie could introduce to help few wizards?
 
King Arthur said:
Punching bag's are incredibly useful if you're a boxer. For students who might need to counterspell one day in the future, it seems like there'd be value to it.

Do the colleges have something along these lines to safely give their students practice at counterspelling, or would this be a new thing Mattie could introduce to help few wizards?
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Any Wizard can do it with zero infrastructure. Cast a spell, then dispel it. Repeat as necessary.
 
BoneyM said:
It would allow for practice of brute-force dispelling, but that's not hard to set up for. It won't allow for actual counterspelling practice in the same way there's a hard limit on what you can learn about boxing from hitting a punching bag.
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Oh, it is at least as good as a punching bag then. that's good, means that with a teacher's supervision, it won't result in bad habits and it is at least good for practicisng.

Seriously, how much of a boost I believe even minor practice materials are cannot be overstated. Each represent a few less dice rolls in the creation of each maister, battle magister and LM, reducing variability by even a litle, especially at the start where people have less boni for dice rolls, can have expontential results in wizard production and quality imho.

Although, compared to the panic rooms we provided, this one is pretty minor. I really want to see what the long term effects of this rooms are, but that'd take somewhere between 10-100 turns or an early game over to discover.

Edit: oops, got ninja'd thanks to my long windedness, seems like the patent is useless.
 
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