Naw, if we talk to the Yusak the Dolgan are going to wonder if we're lining up to backstab them. The Yusak are moving south into Dolgan territory in the normal course of things.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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No, read it again, if mathy goes to make contact with them, flying or horse, they will know because she travel through their lands.
- Location
- Finland
I kinda worry that no, we can't.
Boney literally said we can't fly, and would have to ride, and Dolgan would know.
- Location
- Earth
[ ] Only seek passage for the Expedition
we don't have to tell most people about that, not much of a hit to reputation.
[ ] Seek passage and supplies for the Expedition
We are being warned that people do not like people who make bargains with chaos worshipers.
Our Taal-Order especially hates Chaos. Buying supplies means a lot of people notice were they come from.
[ ] Seek passage, supplies, and to purchase the service of Dolgan mercenaries
As above, but worse. Our Taal Order might desert outright.
[ ] Do not seek any accord with the Dolgans
Sometimes not playing at all is the only safe option. Boring though.
we don't have to tell most people about that, not much of a hit to reputation.
[ ] Seek passage and supplies for the Expedition
We are being warned that people do not like people who make bargains with chaos worshipers.
Our Taal-Order especially hates Chaos. Buying supplies means a lot of people notice were they come from.
[ ] Seek passage, supplies, and to purchase the service of Dolgan mercenaries
As above, but worse. Our Taal Order might desert outright.
[ ] Do not seek any accord with the Dolgans
Sometimes not playing at all is the only safe option. Boring though.
That is not really comparable. Every vampire is an obligate cannibal or eats Dhar, they would have to go out of their way to be even remotely moral about it. People like the Kurgans and Norscans by contrast are people. They laugh and they love, they sing and they cry and they tuck their children at night with a prayer. It's just heir misfortune that those prayers are to the Horrors of the Warp.
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[X] Seek passage and supplies for the Expedition
[X] Seek to make contact with the Yusak instead
[X] Seek to make contact with the Yusak instead
I don't suppose our Ghur battle couple buddies can check the livestock first?
[X] Seek passage and supplies for the Expedition
[X] Seek to make contact with the Yusak instead
[X] Seek to make contact with the Yusak instead
- Location
- Finland
[X] Only seek passage for the Expedition
[X] Seek passage and supplies for the Expedition
[X] Do not seek any accord with the Dolgans
Look people, any contact with Yusak is almost certainly going to piss of Dolgan, wether enough to attack us or not is up in the air, but they will know, and they won't be happy.
Trying to make contact with Yusak is not a good idea, it has little possible return, and great potential losses.
[X] Seek passage and supplies for the Expedition
[X] Do not seek any accord with the Dolgans
Look people, any contact with Yusak is almost certainly going to piss of Dolgan, wether enough to attack us or not is up in the air, but they will know, and they won't be happy.
Trying to make contact with Yusak is not a good idea, it has little possible return, and great potential losses.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
[X] Only seek passage for the Expedition
[ ] Seek passage and supplies for the Expedition
Only going to vote for supplies if something else looks like it might win.
[ ] Seek passage and supplies for the Expedition
Only going to vote for supplies if something else looks like it might win.
- Location
- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
Can we also ask for this without the supplies? It would probably both cost less and allow us to obfuscate the fact that we are having friendly relations with Chaos worshippers.
Having lost favor and skedaddling for a while is not the same as breaking away and reforming into non-Chaos worshippers. For all we know they might see us as a way to repent and regain favor.
Eh. Maybe Tzeench made this meeting happen on purpose and cares more about punishing the Yusak than about screwing with us.
Shouldn't seeking contact with the Yusak also be compatible with all other options? Like, why not try and buy safe passage (or whatever) from both?
Why? Having prior friendly relations with them should make theft, deceit, or betrayal easier, not harder.
Skaven numerology is just realpolitik among people who have no reason to cooperate peacefully. Are you advocating peaceful cooperation instead?
Is this from canon or is it just beautiful BoneyM awesomeness?
I just wanted to know if for your average Kurgan fucking with infidels who oppose the Four is a pillar of their religion or if it is just something you do for fun and profit when convenient. The latter would make them easier to work with than the former.
I don't think Mathilde would care much. In her own words she's more loyal to the Empire than to humanity as a whole and even if that weren't true she could easily see Kurgans as a subverted tool of the enemy of all humans.
And from a more modern moral standpoint I'd say it's no less moral than what we did to Clan Mors of the Skaven.
Didn't even think of this. Of course the Knights would be happy to turn relations around for once if there isn't a good reason not to.
Does this also apply if we visit the Yusak during another scouting action somewhere next turn?
- Location
- New York
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- He/Him
[X] Seek passage and supplies for the Expedition
[X] Only seek passage for the Expedition
[X] Only seek passage for the Expedition
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[X] Do not seek any accord with the Dolgans
[X] Do not seek any accord with the Dolgans
[X] Seek to make contact with the Yusak instead
[X] Seek to make contact with the Yusak instead
FlyingScanian
Tea Addict
- Location
- Land of Eternal Night
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- He/Him
[X] Seek passage and supplies for the Expedition
Would be fine with only seeking passage, but as has been pointed out, this means a more ongoing deal, and is harder (or at least stupider/harder to sell) to renege on.
Would be fine with only seeking passage, but as has been pointed out, this means a more ongoing deal, and is harder (or at least stupider/harder to sell) to renege on.
tapkomet
Senātus Populusque Rōmānus
- Location
- Ukraine
[X] Seek passage and supplies for the Expedition
Having them attack the Yusak could be great, but as reasoned before, could be disaster as well. Let's not. Of course, optimistically, the Yusak would treat with us for help getting further south, but they can probably do that later if they've decided to go Order.
Having them attack the Yusak could be great, but as reasoned before, could be disaster as well. Let's not. Of course, optimistically, the Yusak would treat with us for help getting further south, but they can probably do that later if they've decided to go Order.
You can write it in, but at that point you're neck-deep in making deals with Kurgan so taking supplies out doesn't really make it less suspect in puritan eyes, so might as well put meat on the table while you're at it.
The Dolgan would know you're talking to the Yusak, since you have to ride through their land to do so. They're likely to be suspicious if they know you've been talking to their neighbours as well as them.
It's original, canon goes back and forth about whether they're animist or purely Chaos-worshipping, so I decided to give them a touch of IRL steppe nomad religion.
The only other way to get there would be going through Kul land, who are they guys who united the Kurgan and threw them at Kislev not terribly long ago. So that could be seen as kinda risky.
They have the spell for it. We also have a Light item for it, a Light Magister and whichever Journeymen show up
"Khorne cares not from where the blood flows, only that it does."
The Order nations consider the Chaos gods existential threats.
The Chaos Gods consider the Order nations amusements.
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- He/Him
Do we have any idea of the Kul population? It's a lot of people for one person to be manipulating.
But another way of looking at it is....
