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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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BoneyM said:
You're clearly not attempting to steal any of the herd, but neither are you moving along, and your horse and your dress makes you impossible to place in any mundane category. The only sensible conclusion is to send word back to the tribe and make it someone else's problem.
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"Paaaa, there's some kind of midget with a hat mounted on shadow horse, can you get the shaman?"
"Foolish boy, do you want to dishonor family? that sounds like one of those new necromancer-hunting spirits, probably just another of the sheep has dabbled into the forbidden."
"Actually that does sound like a problem for the shaman, let's go get him"
BoneyM said:
If tea would be inconvenient, a guest will be offered alcohol, and for most of the Kurgan, the alcohol is fermented horse milk.
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That's probably much tastier than it sounds Mathilde, give it a shot next time.
BoneyM said:
So they say. The Dolgan probably have a bear spirit they could upgrade to a god and claim to have solely worshipped if they wanted to get along with the Empire, too.
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"Nonsense, we Dolgan worship, ah, Steppy, stallion lord of the steppes, god of.. Horses. And Dolgan"
 
vsh said:
Supplies are a hard no for me. Easy to poison. I'd vote for passage + nudge them into a war.
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Do you really think these nomads have enough poison just lieing around? That stuff is expensive and not very useful most of the time. Also it isn't like they would be delivering hunks of meat. Much easier to drive a flock of sheep into our path.
 
fictionfan said:
Do you really think these nomads have enough poison just lieing around? That stuff is expensive and not very useful most of the time. Also it isn't like they would be delivering hunks of meat. Much easier to drive a flock of sheep into our path.
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Could just offer diseased and/or tainted animals.
Not super likely, but i don't think it is beyond their ability to do.
 
Isn't it better to keep news about the expedition secret?

Mathilde could probably work something out with this tribe, but it's possible that information will get passed on to other tribes, and we know they trade with the Chaos Dwarfs too.
 
Okay, that clinches it. We absolutely don't want the Dolgan to take a swing at the Yusak, because that means Kul and Kvellige will fall in on the Yusak, and the route becomes an active warzone OR the conflict settles quickly and the Yusak are replaced with a stronger tribe occupying the home stretch to Karak Dum.

On the flip side, Dolgan supplies and safe passage should be a lot more valuable, we'd be passing through 2/3 of our Chaos Wastes trek in their territory.
 
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@Lupercal I do see your point on morality if there is a reasonable expectation of the Yasuk abandoning Chaos, the thing is I'm not sure that is reasonable. Defections from Chaos are pretty rare overall and 'Lost favor with the Four' could be more commonly simply mean 'had a run of bad luck'.
 
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BoneyM said:
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Okay, I was gonna quote myself because I misread things a bit and could, in fact, narrow things down, but this map makes things easier, and confirms my correction.

From the ice witches: Turn 30, part 2 "We have old business in the east, with our fallen cousins of the Kurgan. An item we want from one of their tribes that lives near this Karzełki tirsa of Karag Dum "

This update: "It sounds like the Expedition's route will go through Dolgan and then Yusak territory, and that Karag Dum itself would be about at the border between Yusak and Kul"

So yeah, given the proximity of the Kul and Yusak to Karag Dum, I'd give it a 50/50 chance that the Yusak are, in fact, who we seek to take "the item" from. Whether that be by war, theft, or accord.
 
The Phoenixian said:
Okay, I was gonna quote myself because I misread things a bit and could, in fact, narrow things down, but this map makes things easier, and confirms my correction.

From the ice witches: Turn 30, part 2 "We have old business in the east, with our fallen cousins of the Kurgan. An item we want from one of their tribes that lives near this Karzełki tirsa of Karag Dum "

This update: "It sounds like the Expedition's route will go through Dolgan and then Yusak territory, and that Karag Dum itself would be about at the border between Yusak and Kul"

So yeah, given the proximity of the Kul and Yusak to Karag Dum, I'd give it a 50/50 chance that the Yusak are, in fact, who we seek to take "the item" from. Whether that be by war, theft, or accord.
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Unlikely. If it was a weakened tribe they wouldn't be so circuitous about it.
It sounds a lot more like the Kul, who'd be bad news to engage with.
 
The Phoenixian said:
So yeah, given the proximity of the Kul and Yusak to Karag Dum, I'd give it a 50/50 chance that the Yusak are, in fact, who we seek to take "the item" from. Whether that be by war, theft, or accord.
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Bear in mind:
BoneyM said:
They said near Dum, so it'd be Kul or Yusak. Mathilde suspects that if it was the weak, vulnerable, out-of-favour tribe, the Ice Witches wouldn't have been vague about it.
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Mathilde thinks it is likely to be Kul, though it could still be Yusak.
 
The Phoenixian said:
Okay, I was gonna quote myself because I misread things a bit and could, in fact, narrow things down, but this map makes things easier, and confirms my correction.

From the ice witches: Turn 30, part 2 "We have old business in the east, with our fallen cousins of the Kurgan. An item we want from one of their tribes that lives near this Karzełki tirsa of Karag Dum "

This update: "It sounds like the Expedition's route will go through Dolgan and then Yusak territory, and that Karag Dum itself would be about at the border between Yusak and Kul"

So yeah, given the proximity of the Kul and Yusak to Karag Dum, I'd give it a 50/50 chance that the Yusak are, in fact, who we seek to take "the item" from. Whether that be by war, theft, or accord.
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Boney has said Mathilde believes it will be Kul, as the Ice Witches probably wouldn't need help dealing with the weaker tribe.
 
I'm with veekie. Starting a conflict in the area only increases the chance we run into a raiding party. And we have a lot of mounted units. Feeding a dragon, kittybirds, and giant wolves will go easier if we can resupply along the way. If we ever end up in a situation with low supplies, the alternatives we have are raiding them, in which case we see more conflict, and buying from Uzkulak, which would be much worse than dealing with the Kurgan.
 
Sir_Travelsalot said:
Not even mentioning most mentioned occurrences of losing favour with Chaos just results in doubling down to regain it. Just look at the Fimir.
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They are not really a good example of how humans react to losing Chaos' favor though. Humans are special when it comes to the favor of the Dark Gods, they are courted and rewarded more precisely because of all their servants they have the most free will to just walk away. that said yes I imagine trying to regain the favor of the gods you have known all your life looks more attractive than apostasy for all humans are not locked in like Fimir and Beastmen are.
 
Mopman43 said:
Boney has said Mathilde believes it will be Kul, as the Ice Witches probably wouldn't need help dealing with the weaker tribe.
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Ah, I missed that quote while writing things up. (the thread moves faster than I type, especially when doing research.) Even so, I think it's a possibility to bear in mind, rather than banking on it being in the Kul's hands.
 
I feel like the safest option is getting more information rather than giving out information, so:

[X] Seek to make contact with the Yusak instead
 
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