Chaos worshipers are not Daemons and paying would only cost us a little gold. The Karaz Ankor is practically swimming in gold. Blood is a far scarcer resource.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Chaos worshipers are not Daemons and paying would only cost us a little gold. The Karaz Ankor is practically swimming in gold. Blood is a far scarcer resource.
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Interesting. The safest option is going to be Safe passage, even if the dawi grumble about it, those are our tactics, not theirs.
Still, the best way to do this would be to cause as much mayhem as possible.
Using Skaven Logic, we have three players here. Three is peace, between Dolgans, Yusak and Kul. A fourth player, the expedition, will either cause a feeding, if they are disunited, or a war, if all of them ally against us.
We need to flip the table beforehand and prevent anything from happening against us. Take the initiative and not let them think. So, we need these ones to attack the Yasuk. That will leave us to contend with the Kul, who might just simply jump into finishing off the Yasuk if we could help it.
With two fighting, the Kul will either try to attack the heavy armored convoy of metal bawkses, kittybrids, wolves and an stupendous amount of mages per capita... or attack some of the other two.
Yes, we shall try to make them fight each other. It is the most optimal choice towards our goals.
Still, the best way to do this would be to cause as much mayhem as possible.
Using Skaven Logic, we have three players here. Three is peace, between Dolgans, Yusak and Kul. A fourth player, the expedition, will either cause a feeding, if they are disunited, or a war, if all of them ally against us.
We need to flip the table beforehand and prevent anything from happening against us. Take the initiative and not let them think. So, we need these ones to attack the Yasuk. That will leave us to contend with the Kul, who might just simply jump into finishing off the Yasuk if we could help it.
With two fighting, the Kul will either try to attack the heavy armored convoy of metal bawkses, kittybrids, wolves and an stupendous amount of mages per capita... or attack some of the other two.
Yes, we shall try to make them fight each other. It is the most optimal choice towards our goals.
Deleted and readded it and and the problem transferred to Egrimm, deleted and readded that and now it's on Ship Names 2. Bloody hell.
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- United States
[ ] Only seek passage for the Expedition
Either this or nothing in my opinion.
Minimal engagement with a chaos faction please.
Fighting them is just marginally worse than paying for passage. We could sell them Tea, rather than give them gold?
Either this or nothing in my opinion.
Minimal engagement with a chaos faction please.
Fighting them is just marginally worse than paying for passage. We could sell them Tea, rather than give them gold?
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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- Tempe, AZ
I am for safe passage and supplies. Safe passage doesn't seem like enough to get for the risk and information given. Supplies is.
Also we have seen that dwarfs can be very good at resolutely ignoring things. If we hint at things and imply that we have charmed the tribes then it becomes Zuff stuff which they are going to ignore.
Also we have seen that dwarfs can be very good at resolutely ignoring things. If we hint at things and imply that we have charmed the tribes then it becomes Zuff stuff which they are going to ignore.
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- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
If it's such a contentious issue that borders on blasphemy, how come Kragg chose to use that specific Rune on a bunch of Umgi in the first place? Force of habit in the moment of heat? Also, isn't Kragg so traditionalist that he'd beat himself up about it? Or is he of the "I can't do wrong" kind of arrogant old ass?
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- The Space Between
Agreed with Skaven numerology.
3 is peace.
4 finds the weakest and eats, or is two 2s.
2 is war.
Yasuk is in the way. We shall be rumbling into them.
If=Yasuk, Dolgan, Us
Then PEACE
If=Yasuk, Dolgan, Kul, Us
Then Consume Yasuk
If=Yasuk, Kul AND Dolgan, Us
two 2s, war
If=Yasuk, Dolgan AND Kul, Us
two 2s, war
we should point Dolgan towards underbelly of Yasuk. We are traveling on the holy pilgrimage. We will rumble into Yasuk. We will rumble into Kul.
If Yasuk devoured
Dolgan, Kul, Us = Peace
this involves no misdirection, nor scheme. It is straightforward intel exchange. It is not slaughter. It is not stagnation. It is not excess. This is good.
3 is peace.
4 finds the weakest and eats, or is two 2s.
2 is war.
Yasuk is in the way. We shall be rumbling into them.
If=Yasuk, Dolgan, Us
Then PEACE
If=Yasuk, Dolgan, Kul, Us
Then Consume Yasuk
If=Yasuk, Kul AND Dolgan, Us
two 2s, war
If=Yasuk, Dolgan AND Kul, Us
two 2s, war
we should point Dolgan towards underbelly of Yasuk. We are traveling on the holy pilgrimage. We will rumble into Yasuk. We will rumble into Kul.
If Yasuk devoured
Dolgan, Kul, Us = Peace
this involves no misdirection, nor scheme. It is straightforward intel exchange. It is not slaughter. It is not stagnation. It is not excess. This is good.
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Well'p. =/ Sorry about that. I'm not even sure what to do if deleting and re-adding doesn't work. That seemed to have worked last time.
It also kind of messed with the order of things though; it should be Egrimm, Do and Do Not, and then BorekQuest.
Currently, it's Lore of -> Ship Names 2 -> BorekQuest -> Egrimm, Hero of the Empire -> Do and Do Not.
It's entirely possible it was the first time he's ever used an Anvil of Doom on a battlefield where there were any friendly non-Dwarven forces. Either that or he just got carried away. He's not exactly big on talking about his feelings so it's not known how he feels about it.
Keeping in mind that:
-Kurgans don't necesssarily worship Chaos out of piety. Not openly worshipping Chaos to some extent would get them about as dead as an Imperial tribe openly worshipping Chaos. Propiatory worship is common.
-We're sending a convoy containing 200 apex predators. A local supply source would make the margins a lot less tight if we lose a vehicle along the way.
-We cannot trust them in combat, if we encounter a Chaos champion there's even odds they'd flip right there.
-Starting a tribal war would be a mixed bag because its so chaotic. Possible negative outcomes include:
--Both tribes skirmish. All tribes in the area are at heightened alert when we pass through, none of them are dead.
--One tribe is forced out, causing all the local tribes to rearrange postures and raid freely.
So I'm inclined to take supplies because after our recruiting we really badly need supplies, and free passage. OR just don't interact further and recon the wider area by making contact with the weakened tribe(note, weakened tribe would be more desperate for any advantage)
-Kurgans don't necesssarily worship Chaos out of piety. Not openly worshipping Chaos to some extent would get them about as dead as an Imperial tribe openly worshipping Chaos. Propiatory worship is common.
-We're sending a convoy containing 200 apex predators. A local supply source would make the margins a lot less tight if we lose a vehicle along the way.
-We cannot trust them in combat, if we encounter a Chaos champion there's even odds they'd flip right there.
-Starting a tribal war would be a mixed bag because its so chaotic. Possible negative outcomes include:
--Both tribes skirmish. All tribes in the area are at heightened alert when we pass through, none of them are dead.
--One tribe is forced out, causing all the local tribes to rearrange postures and raid freely.
So I'm inclined to take supplies because after our recruiting we really badly need supplies, and free passage. OR just don't interact further and recon the wider area by making contact with the weakened tribe(note, weakened tribe would be more desperate for any advantage)
Rearranged them in the list and it seems to have stopped any from being skipped over, but it also seems to have shuffled around the order of earlier threadmarks. Since it doesn't seem to have actually made any sequential ones out of order I'm going to leave it at that and hope it doesn't break any worse.
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I would argue that we should *not* be taking advice from skaven mumerology right now. I'm with Redshirt, *if* the Yasuk are possibly freindly then sending them to die just because it is easier then taking the time to make sure is... real bad peeps.
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- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
Wait, what? Did Mathilde know that there are mono-wind worshippers among the Kurgan? Was that mentioned in the book(s) she has on the subject? Or did she just improvise on that part?
I didn't quite understand the relative geographic relation between the proud Kul and the Yusak.
It's also the easiest and most lucrative deal to renege on. All other deals demand continued positive relations for continued pay. Safe passage allows for them to be paid and then to see whether our caravan is worth raiding or not the same as they would have done anyway, except with less emotion involved to push them into an disadvantageous fight.
@BoneyM am I right to assume that most Kurgan don't have a hate boner against all the forces of Order and generally just see them as 100% acceptable targets?
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
Or considering these humans are going to die in less then 200 years he figures if he ignores the problem it will just go away.
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- Finland
Ignore or negotiate passage i think.
Yes, extra food might be nice, extra soldiers would be great, and sending them of to murder some other tribe might be convenient.
But i'm not really comfortable dealing with them, too much that can go wrong, i doubt they will have a huge impact on our military capacity at this point, i assume/hope the expedition already has sufficient food, and i'm not comfortable starting a war when i don't know what is going on.
Yes, extra food might be nice, extra soldiers would be great, and sending them of to murder some other tribe might be convenient.
But i'm not really comfortable dealing with them, too much that can go wrong, i doubt they will have a huge impact on our military capacity at this point, i assume/hope the expedition already has sufficient food, and i'm not comfortable starting a war when i don't know what is going on.
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- Argentina
The fact that Yasuk might or might not be friendly is irrelevant.
Chaos and conflict will divert attention away from us. I'm not going to compromise the expedition's chances on the the potential of an enemy not being as much of an asshole as they could be.
So I shall vote to generate chaos, because that is how Mathilde thrives. All our battles are gained through chaos in enemy lines. We shall do the same here.
Chaos and conflict will divert attention away from us. I'm not going to compromise the expedition's chances on the the potential of an enemy not being as much of an asshole as they could be.
So I shall vote to generate chaos, because that is how Mathilde thrives. All our battles are gained through chaos in enemy lines. We shall do the same here.
Akasha
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The Warp contains all potential stories, be they canon or not. It is also chaos incarnate. Expecting that you can control it; put its stories in convenient Order? Hubris!
Threadmarks are like the Winds. To wield them, you must become like them. You must become a threadmark, Boney.
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Yes, the books lay out the Kurgan cosmology: one sun, two moons, four Gods, eight Winds. All are worshipped.
Kul are west of the Yusak.
Pretty much, same as they see everyone. It's only when an Everchosen arises that they get brought under one banner and pointed south, and even then they often get so riled up that the northernmost tribes start hacking through more southern tribes instead of recruiting them.
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- Before the Ninth Gate
We have a magic item that's a perfect anti-poison defense, so I'm not worried about that. I'd rather ally with the Yusak instead though.
Agreed. Either go for supplies, or move on. Safe passage alone lets them know we're coming through but with no incentive to uphold the deal.
I mean right there they clearly find each other a perfectly good raiding targets.
The main reason they'd be raiding the Order nations would be:
-Order nations are settled civilizations. They have full on civilians where nomadic tribes do not have anyone who can't fight or ride to some extent. This marks them as easy prey, you just need to hit where the warriors aren't and at a less than 1 in 10 armsman ratio theres a LOT of places without enough warriors for the amount of loot.
-Order nations are rich. Metalwork, human resources, art, food, etc are all in abundance. Raiding a relatively poor Order village would easily be several times the profit of raiding another tribe.
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- North Wales
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The Kul are to the North, and go *all the way* North. The Yusak are to the Northeast and are migrating South in the hopes of avoiding the eyes of the Ruinous Powers that they've done something to upset.
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And I'm arguing that that stance is immoral regardless of whether it is good realpolitik.
... Actually, that seems to have fixed it?
Navigating via the Forward and Backward arrows, it now seems to go:
Lore of -> Ship Names 2 -> Hero -> Do and Do Not -> BorekQuest
It is both fixed, and in the correct order.
Clicking once on the Apocrypha threadmark will look differently from that, but that's because just opening it like a folder like that, only shows the order that threadmarks were MADE in, not the order they are IN.
So yeah. That's why the click-once-on-threadmark-tab looks different from the "View All Threadmarks" version of things. The former is for telling you the order of when they were created. The latter is for telling you the order in which they are ordered and arranged.
Chaos and conflict would work like that if they were a settled civilization.
What kicking off a tribal war would likely do amongst nomads is trigger a lot of movement and testing of claims, which means we're a lot more likely to be interrupted and to face battle-ready Kurgans when we rob whichever tribe we choose.