Sir_Travelsalot
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Considering present company, that is almost certainly an upside.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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Yeah, I'm sketchy about being very ambitious, since the very nature of dealing with them is going to make the Dwarves increasingly unhappy with Mathilde. I just want safe passage, that would already be quite the contribution.
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I think the dwarves would even resent the implication that safe passage is for a Tribe of Chaos to give at all.
Asheram
Not quite altogether
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- Δ Hidden Forbidden Holy Ground
My major concern is that once we say we are coming, that's information for them to pass onward or to capitalize on themselves.
Considering how much they enjoy the tea, I think we could sell ourselves as a caravan, since I bet they have bargained with such before, rather than an invading force and then not give a proper date for our journey through the area, just coming up and remind them of their barter... if they are honourable enough to keep it.
But the danger remains.
Considering how much they enjoy the tea, I think we could sell ourselves as a caravan, since I bet they have bargained with such before, rather than an invading force and then not give a proper date for our journey through the area, just coming up and remind them of their barter... if they are honourable enough to keep it.
But the danger remains.
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They're not going to want to start a fight with their neighbour at the same time they've sent off their best fighters to be mercenaries.
Possibly.
To Kurgan, 'Old One' means Dragon Ogres.
The dwarves never need to know that we kicked off a local war. They'll just see the results.
Also; every merchant that comes through the High Pass and deals with Karak Kadrin almost must have cut deals with the Kurgan, and the dwarves don't seem to have a problem with that.
Also; every merchant that comes through the High Pass and deals with Karak Kadrin almost must have cut deals with the Kurgan, and the dwarves don't seem to have a problem with that.
[ ] Only seek passage for the Expedition
[ ] Do not seek any accord with the Dolgans
people, these are Chaos worshipers and long time enemies of every faction involved on our side.
please don't get cute with trying to get involed with them.
the seeking passage can be seen as just being practical.
anything more and we are going to have our allies start side eyeing us.
[ ] Do not seek any accord with the Dolgans
people, these are Chaos worshipers and long time enemies of every faction involved on our side.
please don't get cute with trying to get involed with them.
the seeking passage can be seen as just being practical.
anything more and we are going to have our allies start side eyeing us.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
- Location
- Vermont
Regarding the "Old One", this is from canon.
According to the wiki, as far as I can tell, that tribe worships what they call an Old One, said to be buried under the mountain at the heart of their territory.
It's a really big Dragon Ogre. Might wake up if there's enough lightning.
According to the wiki, as far as I can tell, that tribe worships what they call an Old One, said to be buried under the mountain at the heart of their territory.
It's a really big Dragon Ogre. Might wake up if there's enough lightning.
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Everyone on the expedition should be more than happy if we get a bunch of chaos worshippers to kill each other.
Also, how do you think trade through the High Pass normally works? Both Kislev and Karak Kadrin profit from that trade, and they're neither naive nor stupid.
I mean, could we hire them as mercenaries and then lead them to attack the Yusak, so we can keep an eye on what's going on?
Also, how do you think trade through the High Pass normally works? Both Kislev and Karak Kadrin profit from that trade, and they're neither naive nor stupid.
I mean, could we hire them as mercenaries and then lead them to attack the Yusak, so we can keep an eye on what's going on?
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If you really hate having gold, sure, you could bring them onto the payroll and then get them to do something that it'd be very easy to nudge them into doing on their own.
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To remind people:
The expedition will come over the horizon with a half dozen giant land-ships bristling with cannon, followed by a small horde of monster cavalry and with a dragon overhead. These tribes are not going to want to fight that without an awful lot of prep.
Plus if we are going with the Protector plan then we do want them to fight us as defending the rescue convoy will ping Karag Dum.
The expedition will come over the horizon with a half dozen giant land-ships bristling with cannon, followed by a small horde of monster cavalry and with a dragon overhead. These tribes are not going to want to fight that without an awful lot of prep.
Plus if we are going with the Protector plan then we do want them to fight us as defending the rescue convoy will ping Karag Dum.
They think we're a Norscan. Their expectation will probably be that we're leading our chaos warband on some pilgrimage/expedition to gain the favour of the gods, given our route is on the path to Zanjiban and the Arena of the Gods.
Fair enough. I wasn't planning on spending our own gold, after all, and was assuming we'd have to pay them off to attack the Yusak anyway.
Citation very much needed for the last bit.
Nothing stops us helping to beat up on the Yusak anyway, and I prefer having Chaos Worshippers kill each other.
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- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
... Yep, Karak Eight Peaks is a ring of mountains, and Mathilde does use Ulgu.
Norscans are common sights at every northern port. Marienburg's fortunes were built on a foundation of Norscan fur and amber. The Gospodar were Chaos-worshipping steppe nomads before they converted to the Ancient Widow and founded Kislev, and they currently have Kurgans in their military. This is not 40k and the situation is not as black and white as you are portraying.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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- Dancing on wires!
mmm. The Dawi of the old holds prefer to buy victory more often than fight for it, so I propose we do the same.
I really wish Chaos stopped being such an overwhelming force in this regard it taints what can be very interesting and morally complex cultures without needing a memetic insanity virus to add to it.
Grumbles.
Its one of the things that always gets me down about WHF that most of the info we get on people like the Kurgan and to a lesser extent the Norscans is filtered through the Empire. At least I know a large amount is probably bullshit so there's that.
I really wish Chaos stopped being such an overwhelming force in this regard it taints what can be very interesting and morally complex cultures without needing a memetic insanity virus to add to it.
Grumbles.
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Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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I could be wrong, but my understanding was that the Gospodar were notable for not worshipping the 4, sticking to Ursun, before the Ancient Widow spoke to the first Khan-Queen, giving them Ice Magic and directing them west?
We really should try to start a war in the north. That way the local tribes will be totally out of position and much less able to react to and attack the Expedition. There will also be les of them.
We'd be replicating the environment of mutual warfare/hostility between the local factions we so thoroughly exploited in Karak Eight Peak to such amazing success. We can also then stir the pot with things like Doppleganger before the expedition arrives to maximise Kurgan casualties and kill their most dangerous champions.
It's an amazing opportunity that we should seize with both physical and as many Shadow hands as we can.
We'd be replicating the environment of mutual warfare/hostility between the local factions we so thoroughly exploited in Karak Eight Peak to such amazing success. We can also then stir the pot with things like Doppleganger before the expedition arrives to maximise Kurgan casualties and kill their most dangerous champions.
It's an amazing opportunity that we should seize with both physical and as many Shadow hands as we can.
Asheram
Not quite altogether
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- Δ Hidden Forbidden Holy Ground
... it's just enough of truth in that to not be a lie. It's just that the glory would be for the ancestor gods and not chaos.
So they say. The Dolgan probably have a bear spirit they could upgrade to a god and claim to have solely worshipped if they wanted to get along with the Empire, too.
maybe, but they still bring major compilations that I don't think having them along would be worth it.
tapkomet
Senātus Populusque Rōmānus
- Location
- Ukraine
And I suppose it will be somewhat of a chaotic warband between all the weirdos we've got. Just... metaphorically.
Setting them to war with the Yusak also gives us a potential opportunity to tag along with them for the rest of the month and gather additional intelligence, learning of their and their peers capabilities and intentions, and being in place to steer events to broaden the war and drag in other tribes.
Supplies are likely to be living animals which are much harder to poison. We also have an anti-poison item to cleanse them of poison if they are poisoned, and a Light Magister among who can probably detect poison.
At worst, we simply slaughter and pretend to eat them, and we've denied supplies to the enemy.
Also, trying to sell poisoned supplies to a dragon rider is not something they're likely to try. Particularly as they will know what Ulgu spellcasters can do in terms of information gatherers, so it would be easy to be caught if an invisible sorcerer is watching them.
Supplies are likely to be living animals which are much harder to poison. We also have an anti-poison item to cleanse them of poison if they are poisoned, and a Light Magister among who can probably detect poison.
At worst, we simply slaughter and pretend to eat them, and we've denied supplies to the enemy.
Also, trying to sell poisoned supplies to a dragon rider is not something they're likely to try. Particularly as they will know what Ulgu spellcasters can do in terms of information gatherers, so it would be easy to be caught if an invisible sorcerer is watching them.
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