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That's probably much tastier than it sounds Mathilde, give it a shot next time.
Kumis is horrible stuff. It tastes like sour milk, mostly because it is.

[X] Seek passage and supplies for the Expedition
[X] Seek passage, supplies, and for the Dolgan to attack the Yusak

Supplies are good and needed. If the Yusak aren't raided while we're passing through, they're going to get raided after we leave. Might as well arrange the timing to benefit us.
 
I reckon how we'd sell it is probably as a Chaos Dwarf convoy.

The Nomads have little means to differentiate one form of infernal machine with another, and the Chaos Dwarves also use regular engines.
 
I reckon how we'd sell it is probably as a Chaos Dwarf convoy.

The Nomads have little means to differentiate one form of infernal machine with another, and the Chaos Dwarves also use regular engines.
That's definitely how we'd sell it to the Kurgan. I'm worried about how we'll sell the supply deal to the Knights of Taal's Fury, whose response to "aren't you glad we aren't fighting extra Chaos worshipers beyond the ones at our destination" is likely to be "no."

UPDATE FROM THE FUTURE
Mathilde's read is they'll grumble, but on the way there they'd have to acknowledge their strength is best saved for whatever awaits them at Karag Dum, and on the way back they'll have victory/failure/other to keep their minds occupied. It'd be different to the Dwarves if these were greenskins or Skaven, and it'd be different to the Taalites if they were Beastmen.
With this in mind, I am fine buying supplies.
 
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[X] Only seek passage for the Expedition
-[X] Make sure that passage is good for both ways of the trip.

It's a common trick to give a traveler safe passage through your lands one way, let them obtain whatever valuable thing they are after, and then attack them when they are headed home. no betrayal because they didn't negotiate safe passage again before they entered your territory again. Also, they were probably beat all to hell obtaining the shinies, so they are weaker on the way back.
 
Changing vote.

[X] Do not seek any accord with the Dolgans

I don't think that playing diplomacy with the chaos natives (and paying them) will be well received by the leader of the expedition whose home is traditionally hyper-focused on opposing Chaos and which is either destroyed or under siege by it.
 
[X] Only seek passage for the Expedition
-[X] Make sure that passage is good for both ways of the trip.

It's a common trick to give a traveler safe passage through your lands one way, let them obtain whatever valuable thing they are after, and then attack them when they are headed home. no betrayal because they didn't negotiate safe passage again before they entered your territory again. Also, they were probably beat all to hell obtaining the shinies, so they are weaker on the way back.

I mean if they are going to betray us, lying should not be an issue so I don't see any reason to micromanage.
 
[X] Only seek passage for the Expedition
[X] Seek passage and supplies for the Expedition

I think this is all we need from them it's best that we don't get too greedy.
 
[X] Only seek passage for the Expedition

[X] Seek passage and supplies for the Expedition

Why? Having prior friendly relations with them should make theft, deceit, or betrayal easier, not harder.
On a emotional level, I simply don't trust plans based deceit. Certainly not where Tzeentch hold's sway.

More reasoned, because I feel turning against them and taking their stuff could bring an extra front into a fight that portends to be tricky anyways.
 
[X] Only seek passage for the Expedition
-[X] Make sure that passage is good for both ways of the trip.

It's a common trick to give a traveler safe passage through your lands one way, let them obtain whatever valuable thing they are after, and then attack them when they are headed home. no betrayal because they didn't negotiate safe passage again before they entered your territory again. Also, they were probably beat all to hell obtaining the shinies, so they are weaker on the way back.
They aren't fae and bound by their word.
If we're offering safe passage it'd be for metal there and metal back and looking hard enough that they don't think they can seize the metal themselves without losing half the tribe.
 
Changing vote.

[X] Do not seek any accord with the Dolgans

I don't think that playing diplomacy with the chaos natives (and paying them) will be well received by the leader of the expedition whose home is traditionally hyper-focused on opposing Chaos and which is either destroyed or under siege by it.

Probably not no, but then I imagine the elf isn't very well regarded ether. Borek is a dwarf on the edge of turning slayer, nothing matters more to him than getting to Dun with the aid she was sent to find two hundred years ago.

Beyond that this is the kind of thing Belegar sent us to do, more than magic, more than stealth, more than contacts what Mathilde birngs to a dwarf expedition is the willingness to do things no dwarf would even consider, to embrace the edge cases and the grey places were dawi rarely tread, where Ulgu runs thickest.
 
[X] Only seek passage for the Expedition

In the end I favor this, partly because it allows us to just not say anything and act mysteriously, thus avoiding having to admit to having talked to them, while also potentially allowing us to come back during the expedition and get a new deal for supplies if that turns out to be necessary.

I wouldn't be upset if the safe passage and supplies option won out though.
 
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You can write it in, but at that point you're neck-deep in making deals with Kurgan so taking supplies out doesn't really make it less suspect in puritan eyes, so might as well put meat on the table while you're at it.
How would anyone know that we are neck deep in anything if the only thing they see is that they keep their distance from the expedition and have skirmishes with other Kurgan?
The Dolgan would know you're talking to the Yusak, since you have to ride through their land to do so. They're likely to be suspicious if they know you've been talking to their neighbours as well as them.
If it were only for safe passage or safe passage and supplies, wouldn't it make sense to the Dolgan that we hope to have an unhindered pilgrimage through multiple tribal territories? We wouldn't even need to keep that a secret.
The only other way to get there would be going through Kul land, who are they guys who united the Kurgan and threw them at Kislev not terribly long ago. So that could be seen as kinda risky.
Flying is generally not an option? How would we have gotten there if we chose to scout Karag Dum vicinity first?
 
Probably not no, but then I imagine the elf isn't very well regarded ether. Borek is a dwarf on the edge of turning slayer, nothing matters more to him than getting to Dun with the aid she was sent to find two hundred years ago.

Beyond that this is the king of thing Belegar sent us to do, more than magic, more than stealth, more than contacts what Mathilde birngs to a dwarf expedition is the willingness to do things no dwarf would even consider, to embrace the edge cases and the grey places were dawi rarely tread, where Ulgu runs thickest.

Elf isn't well regarded, but it isn't beyond the pale.

Asarnil actually had business with Karak Dum (by his own words) previously.

Consorting with Chaos worshippers is another thing entirely.

Borek, the entire dwarf contigent, Winter Wolves and Taal's Knights, none of them are going to be happy about it.

Like, I get your point. Mathilde is flexible, resourceful and adaptable. She does a lot to offset dwarf weaknesses in strategy.

But shades of grey have their limits, and Dwarfs never had a high tolerance for it.

This matters, because even in K8P, with a pragmatic Belegar, it's not like Mathilde treated with Greenskins and Skaven clans in order to get ahead.

She manipulated them without their knowledge. Another thing entirely.
 
How would anyone know that we are neck deep in anything if the only thing they see is that they keep their distance from the expedition and have skirmishes with other Kurgan?

If it were only for safe passage or safe passage and supplies, wouldn't it make sense to the Dolgan that we hope to have an unhindered pilgrimage through multiple tribal territories? We wouldn't even need to keep that a secret.

Flying is generally not an option? How would we have gotten there if we chose to scout Karag Dum vicinity first?
She would beeline from the drop-off point to the vicinity of Karag Dum to scout it.

I got you!
 
How would anyone know that we are neck deep in anything if the only thing they see is that they keep their distance from the expedition and have skirmishes with other Kurgan?

If you don't tell anyone about the deals then the knights are gonna be scouting and they are going to be killing any Kurgan they encounter, which would very quickly nullify the deal.

If it were only for safe passage or safe passage and supplies, wouldn't it make sense to tue Dolgan that we hope to have an unhindered pilgrimage through multiple tribal territories? We wouldn't even need to keep that a secret.

Because they just told you the Yusak are weak and on the outs. A Chaos pilgrimage wouldn't want to pass peacefully through their land.

Flying is generally not an option? How would we have gotten there if we chose to scout Karag Dum vicinity first?

Riding.
 
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