Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Same reason that Roswita came out ahead of her father: The superior option (Awkward Eshin) is (most likely) dead.
And now we knowConsidering that gas masks are occassionally BDSM gear, that may actually be canon-ish
1: Its just how the conservative Engineers are depicted, 'new ideas lead to trouble'. (
Book of Grudges Fantasy Roleplay) and they guard they inventions jealously, "as the once-revolutionary engineer finds himself fighting against modifications to his own design.' it will be the inventors of gyrocopters and their students that will be the ones most furious with any tinkering.
4: its a TT assumption a grey wizard on flying pony doesn't loss their ability to hope around the battlefield.
Like, if you want to play radical with the radical engineers, that's fine, but don't pretend its not going to lead to trouble with the conservatives
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I will also say that I am generally in favour of staying Loremaster.
My earlier post is more or less the only goal that could convince me to leave. And, strictly speaking, it is not one that is mutually incompatible with being the Loremaster of Karak-8-Peaks.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
My earlier post is more or less the only goal that could convince me to leave. And, strictly speaking, it is not one that is mutually incompatible with being the Loremaster of Karak-8-Peaks.
Abel was clearly and explicitely blocked by BoneyM, presumeably because they prefer contested votes and knew that if Abel was allowed to be on that list it wouldn't have been a fight.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
no, this is a completely inaccurate description of how Warhammer dwarfs are depicted in any of the lore, books, games whatever.
a magic gyocoppter is a poster example of a grudgeable offence
this will upset them.
It Will.
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That doesn't mean we can't. It might be among the skills that Volans surpassed, but that haven't been done in living memory because no one reached our level lately.
For all I know seeing someone's magic potential is much easier than seeing his soul due to, say, a weird influx or fraying of one or more winds in a way that mundane emotions or divine blessings don't usually cause.
No, it's not. If we buy our own gyrocopter, it's ours to do whatever the hell we want with. This is like saying enchanting our guns would make gunsmiths guild declare grudge on us.
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The 4 I was reffering to was
"going to get us a grudge if we do get it working. (for the main Engineers guild."
Nothing to do with teleporting.
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Your source is one of the various pieces of media this quest is based upon, not word of qm. Please be more clear about what context you are taking your information from in the future when making arguments.
I think you are making strong claims against an idea you (correctly) see in competition with your desired pegasus idea. I'll not bother arguing the potential advantages of an enchanted gyrocarrige here, they've been laid out before.
I will however drop this quote for the benefit of anyone observing our conversation:
I expect that enchanting something would make it more Zhufokri nonsense than using something as a prop/focus.
I'd feel confident that the warranty would be considered null and void though
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We don't have to take apart a gun to enchant it.
We will have to get some understanding of a gyrocopper to enchant it.
And that's Trying to understand guild secrets.
If I thought people wanted to do this with the understanding that they are playing with fire I would be less annoyed.
But I'm getting strong 'there will be no consequences because it's Mathy' vibes from the arguments that sometimes pops up in the thread.
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If it were a grudgeable offense, we wouldn't have it as a project option and Boney would have mentioned this in the half-dozen posts on the subject. Here are some choice examples:
Like, yes, it will make senior engineers grumble like hell, nobody's arguing with you about that. But the claim that we risk getting grudged is a much stronger one. If the local Grandmaster Engineer is willing to play ball, then everyone with actual standing to be bothered is on board and the worst the other Engineer guilds can do is grumble and lower their opinion of Gotri.
It's not the competition thing, (I would be less attacking if it was, as that's not cool way to competed)
It's the 'we did X! So we aren't playing with fire' that is ticking me off l.
You mean the local Grandmaster that's been kicked out of 2 holds for being to radical?
It's an option because Gotri would be up for it, not because it won't couse problems.
First, there is a wide gulf between "learn what does a thing do in general details" which is enough for enchantment, and "Try to learn Guild secrets". It is entirely possible to understand the gyrocopter for enchantment and still don't know anything about how to make one. Second, even we did have to learn Guild secrets to enchant it, this is not something the Guild knows. They are not privy to the requirements for enchanting and would not declare a grudge simply because we have a magic gyrocopter.
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Citation?
I'm unfamiliar, but I'm pretty sure regular maintenance involves at least partial disassembly of the gun, so it would be odd if enchanting it didn't require taking it apart.
I'll be honest here I did not have any strong opinions on what to fly with before this discussion began but the notion that enchanting a gyrocopter (which was on the list of proposed projects for Belegar) would land us in a grudge of all things just feels off-putting. It assumes a certain lack of competence and understanding of dwarfs from Mathilde that I do not think is reasonable. If a grudge were even remotely likely it would not be on the table or at the very least the GM would have explicitly confirmed it.
But just to be on the safe side @BoneyM would enchanting a personal gyrocopter earn Mathilde a grudge?
But just to be on the safe side @BoneyM would enchanting a personal gyrocopter earn Mathilde a grudge?
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Yeah, but Gotri would be the one who would have the right to grudge us, as we'd be tinkering with his project and thus potentially disgracing him according to Dawi mores, so it doesn't matter for us if it doesn't to him.
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I agree with you that it might cause problems when the traditionalists find out about it, and in fact Boney said that Belegar would be unlikely to go for it as an official project until after the KaK traditionalists left and were no longer nosing around. But you earlier said
and I just don't think that's going to happen. Guilds have long been depicted as fairly autonomous between Karaks. Gotri is the grandmaster of the K8P Engineers' Guild. Radical he might be, but he has the authority to make this kind of decision, and while it might lead to friction between him and other Engineers' Guilds, nothing is getting added to a Dammaz Kron over this. Remember the spider silk debacle?
Belegar is hiring scabs: he's hiring non-dwarf weavers not part of any Guild to join up and do work that the Guild says is un-dwarfy. This is obviously a source of tension and unpleasantness, and will probably cause issues down the line. But nobody even breathed the word "grudge" over it.
I am as confident that magic gyro will have large consequences as I was with maranberg creating trouble with the channel.
And funny enough I'm hearing the same things said for this as that time. 'Boney would not do that to us, no trip options means no consequences!, no see we we did, are etc etc, so it's ok'. With one or too 'your just being silly, or meaner'
I said my peice, and will just get mad going father so I'm just going to leave it here and reserve the right to be smug at the people who get upset with consequences like they were blindsided just like the channel blockade.
And funny enough I'm hearing the same things said for this as that time. 'Boney would not do that to us, no trip options means no consequences!, no see we we did, are etc etc, so it's ok'. With one or too 'your just being silly, or meaner'
I said my peice, and will just get mad going father so I'm just going to leave it here and reserve the right to be smug at the people who get upset with consequences like they were blindsided just like the channel blockade.
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Ah yes the trouble with the canal, it's been terrible hasn't it this past year...
*crickets chirping in the distance over the sounds of dwarf picks and Stirlander shoverls*
Probably not the best example to give.
That not want I meant, I meant 'there will be no consequences ' attitude.
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Personally, I do agree with you, there will be consequences.
I disagree, however, on the fact that there will be a Grudge, plus I'd rather encourage Gotri to be successfully radical and change Dawi culture, so I do not really care about the consequences other than a Grudge because this is a hill I want to fight for anyway.
The negative consequences are not a Grudge and are overall a net benefit long term, despite the short term problems, is what I am saying.
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