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It doesn't matter what you think the Empire has reason or not to do. It's a shit decision to intentionally put ourselves in a position where we have to even be theoretically willing to break an oath.
I mean, we did just vote to keep our Oaths of Secrecy over our Oath of Service to the Empire.. We were already in that position, and we made our choice, I don't see why Secret Runecrafting Knowledge would be any different. If anything we'd be less likely to be asked about it, over some of our other secrets.
 
I mean, we did just vote to keep our Oaths of Secrecy over our Oath of Service to the Empire.. We were already in that position, and we made our choice, I don't see why Secret Runecrafting Knowledge would be any different. If anything we'd be less likely to be asked about it, over some of our other secrets.
We can choose to not break the Articles even more than we already have. There is no one with a gun to our heads forcing us to further do so. There are still loads of things we can do to help ourselves, the Empire, and the dwarfs without doing so. There is no good reason to go down this specific road, there's only sheer attachment to it.
 
The best way to not be forced to break oaths is to never let on that their are oaths to be broken. I'm not advocating for or against learning Arcane Dwarf, but I'm saying that if Mathilde learns it, the solution is to never tell a soul. A complete secret between her and the runesmiths. If that's how it's gotta be, we accept it and don't argue about all the cool shit we could do if we were more open.
 
We can choose to not break the Articles even more than we already have. There is no one with a gun to our heads forcing us to further do so. There are still loads of things we can do to help ourselves, the Empire, and the dwarfs without doing so. There is no good reason to go down this specific road, there's only sheer attachment to it.

What would you consider using our Runesmith (not general Dwarf) favor on, then? The best way to argue against it is to provide a compelling alternative.

The main benefits of Arcane Dwarf, as I see them:

- A direct ancestor of the Old One Tongue, probably provides significant insight into magic
- Likely allows for a far greater integration between our enchantments and runework
- May synergize with Arcane College/Elf Runes to an unknown extent
- Obvious benefits when it comes to deciphering Bok
 
Alright look. You want to learn Arcane Dwarf without ever even possibly breaking the Articles of Magic? Fine, but you have to do it the right way.
Write a specific law or treaty for the Emperor's consideration, and if he sees no significant problems with it he is likely to enshrine it in law.
Get a law in saying that you can't share dwarf secrets. Then it'd be against the Articles to reveal Arcane Dwarf to the Empire if it requested it.
 
We can choose to not break the Articles even more than we already have. There is no one with a gun to our heads forcing us to further do so. There are still loads of things we can do to help ourselves, the Empire, and the dwarfs without doing so. There is no good reason to go down this specific road, there's only sheer attachment to it.
I mean, We've already broke the Vow of Poverty in all but name, We've read the Liber Mortis, Took part in a Orcish Divine ritual(Unwitingly), We follow one of the more borderline legal Gods in the Empire, We were part of a Lahmian Conspiracy which lead to the death of the Empress. We are keeping the Empresses religion and past a secret. And like I said, we chose to honor Oaths of Silence over out Oath of Service.

We're not exactly at risk of tarnishing a squeeky clean record here.

EDIT: I'd actually be down for something like that.
 
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@BoneyM Some questions about gyrocarriages:
1) Are they armored?
2) Are they armed?
3) If "no" to either of the above, can they be?
4) Are they big enough to have some runic effects and Wind ones not snap at each other?
5) Is there a possibility for customization on the engineering side?
6) Do they have Marienburg-Ulthuan range?
7) Would Belegar be opposed to us magically tinkering with one of his?
8) Could we sit down with an engineer and/or Runesmiths and look at what kind of new possibility magic/runes bring to them? Like, an MR of Disguise (which is an engineering rune), or an engine with Aqshy enchantments as to need almost no fuel, or could run off that fire spell that makes something into whisky so would just need water to refuel, or a cargo harness to make things put on it super light. That kind of thing.
...I have no idea what this is.
It's Dark Magic that lets you cheat at math.
 
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This is basically a rehash of the "Empire will take away our shinies because they can use it better" spiel.
The Empire and the Colleges can't and won't demand such secrets. Because they don't know the secret exists, because they don't want to create a scenario where the Magister in question is forced to choose against them, and because they are institutions.

If the Colleges want Arcane Dwarf out of Mathilde they'd simply strongly suggest that she train more apprentices, who can legally learn the secrets, and in the future train their own apprentices. They can wait, theres nothing that makes Arcane Dwarf urgently in need of knowing in a scenario that they can't spend the favors to get SOMEBODY taught it.
 
What would you consider using our Runesmith (not general Dwarf) favor on, then? The best way to argue against it is to provide a compelling alternative.
Buying the Colleges into the dwarf favour economy is something that'd benefit both parties to great effect whilst securing ourselves a great deal of college favour, since we're doing something big for them.
 
...I'm just saying, if it turns out that part of the solution to our problem is "get better at math," well, we know who can help us.
"Sensible lot," he says. He peers down at his slate, then nods to himself in satisfaction. "Have you ever had cause to learn the art of ballistics?"

"Indirectly," you say. "Trigonometry comes in handy in some esoteric corners of Wizardry."

He grins sideways at you. "If you ever wish to learn to apply it to this second form of magic, it would be my honour to teach you."
(I may be a big Oswald fan, but I actually don't think we will need to get better at math to build a seviroscope. That being said, if it turns out we do...)
 
Buying the Colleges into the dwarf favour economy is something that'd benefit both parties to great effect whilst securing ourselves a great deal of college favour, since we're doing something big for them.

We can't "launder" favor like that, by word of Boney - it'll boost the Colleges a lot, sure, but we won't get Favor for it.
 
This is basically a rehash of the "Empire will take away our shinies because they can use it better" spiel.
It's not about extracting shinies out of us, it's about not making Mathilde break her most serious word. She has a strong ideological belief against breaking the Articles and betraying the dwarves that goes beyond simple material consequence. We should not erode that belief when it's so easy to do anything else.

We can't "launder" favor like that, by word of Boney - it'll boost the Colleges a lot, sure, but we won't get Favor for it.
Ah, that's unfortunate.
 
@BoneyM how and in what part of the turn do we spend a Great Deed? I want to submit a law that prevents us from revealing dwarf secrets to the Empire so we don't ever have to choose between betraying the dwarves or breaking the gift Magnus gave her that saved her from the pyre.
 
Yeah, GM said it was something like 6 or 8 Dwarf Favor for a regular engineer, 8 or 10 for a master engineer to try reverse engineering it.

In fact, let me dig up the post.



There you go, 10 for the Grandmaster Engineer of Zhufbar to try and reverse engineer it and then teach the humans how to make more.
Well shit, time to spend 10 Dwarf Favor then--or earn 10 Dwarf Favor for this purpose. Being able to serially produce Steam Tanks is a big deal; doubly so since it improves the Empire's understanding of steam engines. Triply so since it would mean that K8P could buy one eventually (it would obviously be crewed by humans, but who cares? A Steam Tank is a very nice asset to have in a siege).
 
Alright look. You want to learn Arcane Dwarf without ever even possibly breaking the Articles of Magic? Fine, but you have to do it the right way.

Get a law in saying that you can't share dwarf secrets. Then it'd be against the Articles to reveal Arcane Dwarf to the Empire if it requested it.
There's no way the Empire would force us to blatantly incriminate ourselves and therefore damn all Dwarf-Imperial diplomacy for essentially forever. Not without someone of comparable stature as Dietrich IV trying to force the issue. At which point you do the sensible thing and tell someone like him to fuck off and go to ground until he's replaced.

Do you really think the Empire isn't aware that Matty has Dwarf secrets she can't share? The Empire knows Matty is quite possibly the human in closest confidence with Dwarfs, that's why they asked her for her insights, and that she's a Grey no less. If we're a resident Imperial secret keeper who's held in incredibly close confidence by an incredibly secretive culture and society? We're going to have some of their secrets.

It's a religious and diplomatic mandate to respect our privacy when it comes to the Dwarfs. And we know it's established policy that the Empire not only doesn't use all the means at it's disposal to reverse engineer Dwarf techniques and technology- but that it actively suppresses the knowledge it might be able to do so from the Dwarfs. Imperial policy is to be as non-threatening to the Dwarfs as they can afford, barring shenanigans like the Nemesis Crown campaign.
 
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The conversion from a bomber (or more generally military aircraft) to a civilian aircraft does have real-life precedence.

Tupolev Tu-114
Boeing Vertol 234
Hell, even earlier than that, the TBF Avenger torpedo bomber--which entered service in 1942, IIRC--was able to be converted into a transport plane with relative ease, which was extremely useful for carriers, since it meant that you could fly passengers to or from a carrier at sea in a plane that was capable of landing on or taking off from a carrier. The TBF Avenger was, in fact, the very first aircraft that could fulfill that purpose/role.
 
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